The possibility of Counter Earth

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**Aerethan**

So, the theory is that there COULD be a planet the same size and condition as our beloved Terra, with the exact same orbit around the Sun, simply on the other side of the Sun as us. As such, we've never been able to see it, and satellites in orbit around our planet wouldn't ever get a shot of it.

Your thoughts?

**Horst**

any evidence to back that theory up?

I mean, the center of the planet could be made of cheese. We've never been there, so how can we know?

There were also no documents from the 1600's that said there were no aliens at the first thanksgiving.

**Aerethan**

If there were evidence then it would be the fact of Counter Earth and not the theory

So what you're saying is that there were aliens at the first thanksgiving? Is that correct Professor Brofloski?

**Horst**

Just saying that the term theory is thrown around too casually these days.

"wild unsubstantiated guess" sounds more accurate for such a proposal

**Aerethan**

Anyway, the "theory" was originated by one John Norman in a series of books that referred to the planet as "Gor" and that it had it's own culture and alien overlords.

While the majority of it is easily written off as science fiction, the idea that there COULD be a sister planet in our solar system is an interesting one.

**RatBot**

I have to imagine we'd have *some* way to detect such a planet, so it almost certainly doesn't exist.

**Howard A Treesong**

Surely with the number of probes launched from Earth another planet in the solar system would have been observed by now.

**Aerethan**

How far have our probes gone? What is it 93 million miles to the sun from here? So it'd be 186 million miles away IF you went straight through the sun.

**FITZZ**

Horst wrote:

There were also no documents from the 1600's that said there were no aliens at the first thanksgiving.

Hmm?..ya never know.

... I think the idea of a counter Earth is an interesting theory...and hell a few Hundred years ago everyone knew the Earth was flat...so who knows what we ( well not us personally...but mankind) will eventually discover.

**George Spiggott**

It would have to be in exactly the same orbit otherwise we'd catch up with it (or the other way around).

**Aerethan**

George Spiggott wrote:It would have to be in exactly the same orbit otherwise we'd catch up with it (or the other way around).

that is the theory, yes.

**lord commissar klimino**

hmmm.....do they have milk there? how bout potatoes? if not,they arnt worth are time

**Aerethan**

lord commissar klimino wrote:hmmm.....do they have milk there? how bout potatoes? if not,they arnt worth are time

According to a source of mine, you can milk anything with nipples, so odds are there is milk. Not sure about potatoes.

**lord commissar klimino**

Aerethan wrote:
lord commissar klimino wrote:hmmm.....do they have milk there? how bout potatoes? if not,they arnt worth are time

According to a source of mine, you can milk anything with nipples, so odds are there is milk. Not sure about potatoes.

well without potatoes they are only worth nuking.

that,or real estate.

better yet,we can ship all of are telemarketers there instead of adding more to that crowd they call India.

**Howard A Treesong**

Aerethan wrote:How far have our probes gone? What is it 93 million miles to the sun from here? So it'd be 186 million miles away IF you went straight through the sun.

Don't be daft you don't have to travel all the way to the other planet to observe it. Probes are sent out to Jupiter and beyond but you don't need to go that far - once a probe is a certain distance away from the Earth it should be able to just see around the other side of the sun to see if there's something there. Anyway, it's not physically possible for a planet to remain always obscured by the sun because the Earth's orbit is elliptical, even if the other planet matches the pattern of movement of Earth exactly it would appear visible at times.

Wikipedia comments...

If such a planet actually existed, according to present scientific cosmology, it would be permanently hidden behind the sun but nevertheless detectable from Earth, because of its gravitational influence upon the other planets of the Solar System. No such influence has been detected, and indeed space probes sent to Venus, Mars and other places could not have successfully flown by or landed on their targets if a Counter-Earth existed, as it was not accounted for in navigational calculation.

It must also be noted that the Earth orbit is not a circle but an ellipse, and in respect of Kepler's second law, a planet revolves faster when it is close to the star. So if the Counter-Earth followed the Earth on the same orbit with half a year of delay, it would sometimes be visible from Earth. Rather, to be hidden from Earth, the Counter-Earth would have an orbit symmetrical to Earth's, not sharing the second focus.

Any planetary sized body at Earth's L3 point should have been visible by the NASA STEREO coronagraphs during the first half of 2007. The separation of the STEREO spacecraft from Earth would give them a view of the L3 point during the early phase of the mission. Later, as the spacecraft continued to separate, the L3 point drifted out of the field of view. Given the sensitivity of STEREO's COR2 coronagraph, anything larger than 100 kilometres (62 mi) in diameter should have been detected.

So in summary, it's not possible.

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Aerethan wrote:
lord commissar klimino wrote:hmmm.....do they have milk there? how bout potatoes? if not,they arnt worth are time

According to a source of mine, you can milk anything with nipples, so odds are there is milk. Not sure about potatoes.

Reports of men lactating are pretty low (not zero surprisingly enough).

**InquisitorVaron**

An Interesting theory, yet it will remain just that, It's disproven. For example the Hubble telescope can see out of our solar system. It would've been spotted, also the fact that our earth was created by meteorites and the fact it's a very rare chance that its makeup could provide life. I doubt there would be two.

**CT GAMER**

Aerethan wrote:
lord commissar klimino wrote:hmmm.....do they have milk there? how bout potatoes? if not,they arnt worth are time

According to a source of mine, you can milk anything with nipples, so odds are there is milk. Not sure about potatoes.

If you meet a girl that lets you milk her, marry her...

**Corpsesarefun**

InquisitorVaron wrote:An Interesting theory, yet it will remain just that, It's disproven. For example the Hubble telescope can see out of our solar system. It would've been spotted, also the fact that our earth was created by meteorites and the fact it's a very rare chance that its makeup could provide life. I doubt there would be two.

In the same solar system I agree highly unlikely, however in the universe at large there are a LOT of earthlike planets.

You seem to be a little confused with the meteorite thing too, our best guess is water came to earth via meteorites/comets/asteroids whereas the bulk of the mass came long before the water and was certainly not from meteorites or even asteroids..

**InquisitorVaron**

Earth didn't just appear as a big rock during the Big Bang. It was the culmination of multiple large masses of rocks.

The meteorite that wiped out the dinosaurs due to then being reptiles and unable to regulate temperature also contained bacteria that was effectively the standard template construct for sentient beings.

**Corpsesarefun**

I...

I'm going to leave the thread now and go back to my personal statement.

**lord commissar klimino**

InquisitorVaron wrote:Earth didn't just appear as a big rock during the Big Bang. It was the culmination of multiple large masses of rocks.

The meteorite that wiped out the dinosaurs due to then being reptiles and unable to regulate temperature also contained bacteria that was effectively the standard template construct for sentient beings.

big bang is just a big false joke.

**InquisitorVaron**

Mabye I've not explained it well but we both know It's not the best time being 2:30AM and all.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Earth

Effectively says what I said, one large collision and about the multiple meteorites and comets. You're right about the water and I've not disagreed there. We've both pretty much said the same thing but differently.

Good luck studying.

**lord commissar klimino**

InquisitorVaron wrote:Mabye I've not explained it well but we both know It's not the best time being 2:30AM and all.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Earth

Effectively says what I said, one large collision and about the multiple meteorites and comets. You're right about the water and I've not disagreed there. We've both pretty much said the same thing but differently.

Good luck studying.

i dont study.

**InquisitorVaron**

I was talking to Corpses. But funny reference, let's out that behind us and move on like normal people eh?

Are you religious or do you not believe the Big bang is true, I don't want to step on any toes or offend someone with my possible reply.

**lord commissar klimino**

InquisitorVaron wrote:I was talking to Corpses. But funny reference, let's out that behind us and move on like normal people eh?

Are you religious or do you not believe the Big bang is true, I don't want to step on any toes or offend someone with my possible reply.

i believe in god,but im not religious. and it has nothing to do with my dis belief in the big bang. i just dont agree with it.

i rest my case.

**infinite_array**

lord commissar klimino wrote:
InquisitorVaron wrote:I was talking to Corpses. But funny reference, let's out that behind us and move on like normal people eh?

Are you religious or do you not believe the Big bang is true, I don't want to step on any toes or offend someone with my possible reply.

i believe in god,but im not religious. and it has nothing to do with my dis belief in the big bang. i just dont agree with it.

i rest my case.

I really hope that isn't how you consider the Big Bang to have happened.

**InquisitorVaron**

Your skimming the surface.
It was the fact the Universe was so dense at the start It appeared to have no mass, a personal theory of mine is that the components were through different dimensions and aligning them to an immeasurable amount of time.

Anyway in short the Universe expanded as It became less dense. I think from that you could affectively make things Hyper-Dense which shrinks them for storage in space. If we could harness that. It's also about the amount of Anti-Matter to matter ratio, possibly there were many attempts but the Anti-matter prevailed. As I said Dimensions probably come into play.

**lord commissar klimino**

infinite_array wrote:
lord commissar klimino wrote:
InquisitorVaron wrote:I was talking to Corpses. But funny reference, let's out that behind us and move on like normal people eh?

Are you religious or do you not believe the Big bang is true, I don't want to step on any toes or offend someone with my possible reply.

i believe in god,but im not religious. and it has nothing to do with my dis belief in the big bang. i just dont agree with it.

i rest my case.

I really hope that isn't how you consider the Big Bang to have happened.

not exactly. aperantly it was just a condensed ball of everything,which exploded. which is bull crap to me. dont care if god made it or is even real,i wont believe crap like that.

**malfred**

There can't be a counter earth.

My proof?

A counter earth would have an evil malfred, and we all know I'd
look ridiculous in a goatee. Therefore, an evil malfred couldn't
exist.

**infinite_array**

lord commissar klimino wrote:

not exactly. aperantly it was just a condensed ball of everything,which exploded. which is bull crap to me. dont care if god made it or is even real,i wont believe crap like that.

It's... quite a bit more complicated than that.

Damn, why don't I have my theoretical physics books with me?! Michio Kaku can help explain anything.