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Interestingly, those army books are NOT for LotR or WotR; they're for LotR:SBG. That's a relief, because I don't bother with SBG. LotR is great for skirmish-level scenario-based games, and WotR is great for large battles. SBG is the clunky middle ground that does neither very well.I'm greatly excited by the plastic Kataphracts. I also like the new models in the command groups, and the new goblin heroes. Pity they are going to be Finecast, I don't see myself ever buying them at those silly prices.

Hmm, They are all finecast. Looks like LOTR will be unplayable for a long time.

GW taking artistic license with my favorite Fantasy book series kills me, just as the watcher in the water having legs maims me.

Preorders up;

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat750002a&rootCatGameStyle=lotr

Some of these models could be used for alot of other things, look at the "Daemond Prince" comparasin.

Now your making me want to use the Dweller as a DP...

Is the Dweller something GW made up, or is it a Tolkien thing?

H.B.M.C. wrote:Is the Dweller something GW made up, or is it a Tolkien thing?

I recal it being in "the hobbit", but i read that a while ago.

fellblade wrote:Interestingly, those army books are NOT for LotR or WotR; they're for LotR:SBG. That's a relief, because I don't bother with SBG. LotR is great for skirmish-level scenario-based games, and WotR is great for large battles. SBG is the clunky middle ground that does neither very well.

Confused. There are only 2 games; Lotr:SBG or War of the Ring.

Matt.Kingsley wrote:One of the workers at my FLGS said this

"February's White Dwarf is released today and it is chock full of win and awesome! "

TBH, I would have turned around at that point and not heard the end of that sentence.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Is the Dweller something GW made up, or is it a Tolkien thing?

It is a Tolkien thing. It resides in the lake outside the Doors of Durin. Unfortunately, GW has given it legs for some strange, possibly slowed, reason.

No that's the watcher.
And GW gave him legs, because now he can walk around the battlefield instead of sitting in a lake.

Can someone tell me why they cant do half of these things in plastic? Is it purely for money reasons? I have no problem what so ever with the detail on any of my plastic models.

has anyone in the UK noticed the balls up they've made with pricing in White Dwarf compared to the GW website...

pages 14.15 and 16 of White Dwarf this month are all lower prices than the Preorder section on the Website.

Not only do they give their range of models a price hike because it's now finecrap but they balls up the price to.

Indeed.

see here

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=11700001

We regret to announce that some of the prices in February's issue of White Dwarf (WD386) were incorrectly printed in the magazine.

Although we endeavour to ensure all prices and details are correct at the time of going to print, occasionally some values do change before the magazine's release.

We sincerely apologise for any confusion or inconvenience this may cause.

For the correct prices, please visit the appropriate product on www.games-workshop.com, or speak to a member of the Customer Services Team.

lower? haha I already thought they were damn high from the pics.

Deary me

reds8n wrote:We regret to announce that some of the prices in February's issue of White Dwarf (WD386) were way too low.

Although we endeavour to ensure all prices and details are correct at the time of going to print, occasionally we mess up and forget that we can cost these at whatever we want, 'cause you lot will still pay for them.

We sincerely apologise for making you think we cared.

For the correct (and much higher) prices, please visit the appropriate product on www.games-workshop.com, or speak to a member of the Customer Services Team.

Yup.

I'm flummoxed by this release. GIven GW recent very high quality releases for WHFB/40K and previous models in the LOTR/WOTR line these are sub standard. (sorry Perrys)

Most look like they were round 1 (or 2) rejects. Compared to the cave drake last year or other "non movie" additions something about these sculpts is very underwhelming. Personally I like the WOTR system.... I'm always in favor of new models. However, if you want to re-release the game and put it in front of folks you need to do have something better in the hopper than these.

LOTR is more skirmish based so you can get away with fewer models, but if the price point is sooooo high, I don't see how this can be an introductory system for GW or low investment option for current 40K/WHFB.

just my 2 cents.

It is sad to see that they are not releasing the figures that were never produced for the current books, such as the dark hearted trees, beorings, and elven seige bow. People complain about nid stuff being delayed. This LOTR stuff has been waiting for many years. GWs support for its games is quite poor. They have no excuse really. They produce all sorts of other stuff like Dredfleet and towers of skulls but do not produce models for all of the units in their games.

Anyone else think that the army books are suspiciously cheap (£15) for a GW product? Guessing they're 30-40 pages max.

Flashman wrote:Anyone else think that the army books are suspiciously cheap (£15) for a GW product? Guessing they're 30-40 pages max.

The original books did cost £12 and had the same amount of pages and content, however I'm guessing these books will only be army lists and rules and not really contain any of the modelling and painting sections of the older books, also the rules for the new warriors and heroes maybe larger in both background and stat lines (the older editions have a tiny paragraph of a description for most warrior entries) and I'm imagining more army wide special rules and such. Also, I'm surprised that Isengard is in the Fallen Realm wing of books, I imagined it to be with Mordor but maybe the Mordor army list deserves its own personal rule set having such a large force, also I'm quite annoyed Morgul Knights aren't part of the Fallen Realms army list.

Im wonderng if the idea of putting them all in finecast is because they now they wont sell alot.

I must say I'm sick of everything being made in finecast. Was just looking at the Nid section and most of that is finecast it seems.

I predict it is only a matter of time before they finecast tactical squads and ork boyz.

Noisy_Marine wrote:I must say I'm sick of everything being made in finecast. Was just looking at the Nid section and most of that is finecast it seems.

I predict it is only a matter of time before they finecast tactical squads and ork boyz.

Doupt it. they are plastice because so many people buy them. So little people buy the finecast models.

It seems to me that when GW makes an LoTR miniature based on someone else's designs, they nearly always bat it out of the park or at least do a passing job at it. Whenever they make their own designs it just turns out silly.

For example, the Great Gorgoth beast looks wonderfully naturalistic, the Rohan and Dwarf commands are great, and while the Guardian of the lake doesn't exactly light a fire for me it looks pretty well-designed.

The horror from the Deep OTOH doesn't even look like it belongs in this line. Many of the Easterling Cataphracts look awkwardly posed and the dragon knight may have the silliest hat in the line. Groblog gives him a run for his money though and makes up for his slightly less impractical hat with a stupid pose. Ashrak Spiderblood is just a mess and together with the Galadrim Stormcaller breaks the cardinal sin of plopping non-Istari wizards into the game just to make Tolkein's world more like D&D. The Stormcaller, while competently executed, also looks like he belongs in a completely different line in a completely different game.

Flashman wrote:Anyone else think that the army books are suspiciously cheap (£15) for a GW product? Guessing they're 30-40 pages max.

Looking at the first post, I guess that 4 are 48 pages and one is 64 pages

Personally, I do like the Dweller. I might pick it up to use as a C'tan.

Kroothawk wrote:

Flashman wrote:Anyone else think that the army books are suspiciously cheap (£15) for a GW product? Guessing they're 30-40 pages max.

Looking at the first post, I guess that 4 are 48 pages and one is 64 pages

Damn it! 50 pages was my first (and as it turns out, superfluous) guess.

About damn time we get some more LOTR, one year without support is a bit stiff, time to pick up some plastic cataphracts . And seriously: can people just get over themselves and GET that LOTR IS the third Core Game? GW has been saying it since it came out and one thinks that after a -Decade- people should recant their 'nah it's a specialist game' point of view. So you got no Tervigons this month either? well Boo F**king Hoo; us Eldar-players still has an early 4th ed codex, have mostly a metal/finecast model range and yeah, My Warp Spiders and basic vehicle plastics are from the Second Edition. You see me whining about that? No, I'm doing fine with my Eldar. And you are not Entitled to model releases, to persist in the delusion that you are is just childish.

Secondly: All GW Produced models from the LOTR IP strictly adhere to the Concept Art produced for the LOTR-Movies or are directly approved by Tolkien Enterprises. GW Does Not 'muck about' and 'give it legs' because if they do they will loose their licence in a heartbeat, and they know it. It's too much money at stake for that kind of shenannigans.

Commander Cain wrote:Well I don't care what the complainers are saying! GW has put out some stunning models for this game system, the new mordor beast in particular. A little too much finecast for my liking but I can live with that!

While I do not own much lotr myself, I am happy for the players who can get some additions to their armies!

The complainiers are people who need "watered down", "steamlined" "dumed down" rules to play WITH LOTS OF DICE to Roll in order to have fun, is what I gather from reading alot and espically complaints of the "leaked" 6th edition 40K rules. I don't like calling people names but with all the whining and complaining because of LotR and it's not 40K just makes me feel sad for the people who think they are so great because they play with plastic toy soldiers in a very simplified game.