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I believe. in my life ive seen alot of "supernatural" and "non-existent" stuff and compared to this Aliens are particualy tame and beliveable

Medium of Death wrote:Perhaps Aliens are aware of us but, as we are so far behind technologically, they choose to ignore us.

Apparently these guys have the answer to the question.

www.scientology.org

I think I'll pop along to one of their seminars.

Is there life elsewhere besides earth?

Sure, why not?

The french gov has said UFOs are real. Check up the UFO incidents in Belium during the eighties. Thousands saw objects formed the same way. There is even a picture. Thousands of credible persons have seen UFOs. Even Jimmy Carter saw a UFO. Iranian and Chilean fighter jets even attacked UFOs. The american goverment started its harrasment of people who claim to have seen UFOs after it closed down its agency that was checking information. Brittish and american air force personal saw a UFO that had landed and draw the symbols that were on it.

UAVs are real.

They had a convention recently.

They must exist, again, given the size of the universe.

They may have visited, but I do not believe in any government cover-ups; I think First Contact would be a good thing, surely... certainly a unifying force.

Henners91 wrote:They must exist, again, given the size of the universe.

Not to mention the possibility of there being a whole hell of a lot of alternate universes that life could be lurking in.

Plus the people who say no tend to just cite what it would take to duplicate us on another planet. There could be any number of other mechanisms to generate life under different circumstances.

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Henners91 wrote:They must exist, again, given the size of the universe.

Not to mention the possibility of there being a whole hell of a lot of alternate universes that life could be lurking in.

How weird, I was just explaining the Multiverse to my wife while watching Ghost hunters. I make up crazy theories to try and prove "ghosts" are real using things I read/watch/hear Theoretical Physicists come up with.

Warrior Squirrel wrote:The french gov has said UFOs are real. Check up the UFO incidents in Belium during the eighties. Thousands saw objects formed the same way. There is even a picture. Thousands of credible persons have seen UFOs. Even Jimmy Carter saw a UFO. Iranian and Chilean fighter jets even attacked UFOs. The american goverment started its harrasment of people who claim to have seen UFOs after it closed down its agency that was checking information. Brittish and american air force personal saw a UFO that had landed and draw the symbols that were on it.

Thousands of people seeing something is hardly notable, the population is around 7 billion.

Rented Tritium wrote:Plus the people who say no tend to just cite what it would take to duplicate us on another planet. There could be any number of other mechanisms to generate life under different circumstances.

This is a point I tried to make earlier. There are, for example, planets that have methane that performs in much the same role as water does on this planet due to cold temperatures, There could be life there that is similar to is, but very different!

Moon. But yea, I wouldnt be surprised if we actually landed something there and looked around for a few years, and found some things worth note
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_(moon)

I think there's a lot of confusion going on by what we're talking about by saying "Aliens". Various people are using it to mean various things. We've got arguments defining aliens as the following:

1) Life of any form existing on an object outside Earth (not including any we accidentally brought with us on a probe). We haven't seen any evidence proving life exists anywhere else (some hints, but nothing definitive yet), but it's pretty commonly accepted that it most likely does.

2) Multi-cellular life existing outside Earth. This has absolutely zero evidence and is pure conjecture.

3) Intelligent life (meaning ~human level of intelligence or better) existing outside Earth. This has absolutely zero evidence and is pure conjecture.

4) Intelligent life existing in our Galaxy. The lack of any contact seems to indicate this is not the case. But, that's still speculation.

5) Intelligent life visiting Earth regularly. Although believed by a few, this is almost certainly not the case.


So, if we want to argue about this, can we at least keep our arguments separate? Too many people are jumping from a "We've seen evidence of life on Mars" (support for #1) to a "So, I look forward to First Contact" (#4). These are vastly different leaps of what "Aliens" are.

Grakmar wrote:I think there's a lot of confusion going on by what we're talking about by saying "Aliens". Various people are using it to mean various things. We've got arguments defining aliens as the following:

1) Life of any form existing on an object outside Earth (not including any we accidentally brought with us on a probe). We haven't seen any evidence proving life exists anywhere else (some hints, but nothing definitive yet), but it's pretty commonly accepted that it most likely does..

This is what I'm thinking.

Intelligent aliens would likely not be friendly. So 'first contact' would not be good. Top scientists theorise as much. They'd have no incentive to be kind to us. The more likely scenario is they'd wipe us out; take the planets resources and move on.

I thought they'd have glow in the dark hearts and heal our cut fingers with a touch.

Or at least have a pseudo-Caribbean accent and provide "comic relief" and be appealing to young children.

Math time!

There is one other body in the solar system besides earth that contains liquid water, which is the key to life. We orbit around one star.

There are two hundred billion or so stars in the Milky Way. Galaxies usually have hundreds of billions of stars in them.

There are an estimated 100 to 200 billion galaxies in the observable universe

They recently did a study showing that planets likely outnumber the stars.

So what is one hundred billion times one hundred billion? (Assuming there is at least one star for every planet in the observable universe). So why should it be so that out of all those planets, ours is the only one to support life?

CuddlySquig wrote:So why should it be so that out of all those planets, ours is the only one to support life?

Anthropic Principle

You can't use evidence of life on Earth to support the idea of life anywhere else.

I don't know. Honestly, i wouldn't know. All i can say it, that i believe in the possibility.

There's a lot of scientific convictions and theories on the matter - any many other astrological questions. But honestly, i do not believe that we're even capable of asking ourselves (or science) as much as any QUESTIONS, that might get even close to answering that question: If there is life on other planets.
- My only real belief on the matter is that the universe we live in is too immense for us to even come CLOSE to a "real answer". It's just too huge - and too complicated - for us to fully comprehend. Ever!

We've missed the most important question.

Would you help the Aliens subjugate your fellow man?

Medium of Death wrote:We've missed the most important question.

Would you help the Aliens subjugate your fellow man?

I'm kind of like Lex Luthor in that regard;

If the choice was between Humanity as a race dying or Humanity as a race being able to live on, I'm going to go with living every single time.

sebster wrote:There's every chance that we'd find their thought processes unintelligible, and they'd think the same of us.

They might not even be interested in communicating at all, if they could, simply because they would be aware we hold nothing of value to them, save for our sternums making a handy place to sprawn their brood. Luckily, we just need to know one thing...



where they are.

The dreamer in me says, "Yes, without a doubt. If there isn't then it's an awful waste of space." However, the scientist in me requires proof that is unmistakable and unshakable. But with the current Exoplanet count totaling 725 planets as of Monday. We're bound to get lucky one day and find life out there somewhere!

I think it's fairly likely that an alien race would NOT be peaceful.

Creatures that are intelligent enough to figure out how to willingly transport themselves across uncounted billions of light years are more than likely predators. I'd imagine they'd be similar to predators and aliens, honestly. Absolute, top-of-the-foodchain killers.

If we managed to visit them, we would likely be seen as... well... aliens, and our effect on extraterrestrial planets would be gigantically significant to the natives.

Also, I wonder if Buzz Aldrin and the gang were in the least bit worried about aliens on the moon? Could you imagine if you were just walking around, doing moon stuff, and an ugly little beast attacked you and your astronaut friends? You would be petrified!


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Warrior Squirrel wrote:The french gov has said UFOs are real. Check up the UFO incidents in Belium during the eighties. Thousands saw objects formed the same way. There is even a picture. Thousands of credible persons have seen UFOs. Even Jimmy Carter saw a UFO. Iranian and Chilean fighter jets even attacked UFOs. The american goverment started its harrasment of people who claim to have seen UFOs after it closed down its agency that was checking information. Brittish and american air force personal saw a UFO that had landed and draw the symbols that were on it.

Sauce?

Thousands of credible persons have seen UFOs. Even Jimmy Carter saw a UFO.

ROFL

Pacific wrote:I'm not so sure. A lion is not sapient, and does not have an understanding of the functions of the world around it. We do, although no doubt in a vastly more simply manner than an alien race that could span the distance between stars, there is the fundamental understanding of mathematics and physics that could be a common ground between us.

And how a species comes to understand the world around it is bound to be vastly different to ourselves. We, like lions, are not beings of pure reason, but ones full of instinct and conditioned response.


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Samus_aran115 wrote:I think it's fairly likely that an alien race would NOT be peaceful.

Creatures that are intelligent enough to figure out how to willingly transport themselves across uncounted billions of light years are more than likely predators. I'd imagine they'd be similar to predators and aliens, honestly. Absolute, top-of-the-foodchain killers.

If we had the capability to travel to other planets we would do it, and it wouldn't be to hunt and/or kill other intelligent life. There is no reason to assume other species are more likely than not to be different to ourselves.

Aliens most likely exist, although they may have the same level of tech as us and be farther away or maybe they have a slightly better level of tech than us but can't quite reach or see us. Or maybe, just maybe there is a race of giant arachnids led by a giant brain bug planning on launching meteors at us.

Anyways, yes I believe in aliens but I hope we're better than them right now.

Grakmar wrote:
You can't use evidence of life on Earth to support the idea of life anywhere else.

Yes I can. I use life existing on earth as evidence that life can exist on planets.
With an uncountable number of planets in the observable universe, there's got to be another one like ours out there somewhere.

I find the idea that we are alone in the universe a lot more fantastic than the idea of alien life existing on other planets.

Without doubt, given the size of the universe and it's constant expansion, the chemical combinations required to form life in any form (silicon-based, carbon-based, etc...) is undeniably likely to occur even in entirely random scenarios with the qualities that the universe has. Saying that humans are alone in the universe is either closed-minded or spiritual (no disrespect in that). Then again, the Fermi Paradox creates a pretty big gap in the believability in ETs, I'd like to believe that humans are advanced compared to other species that might exist, but there are nearly infinite possibilities.

we would do it, and it wouldn't be to hunt and/or kill other intelligent life.

Yes...because Humanity has been so good at that. Right?