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There would have to be intelligent life out there somewhere, in some form. However, our senses may not have the capacity to understand their forms. Remember, our senses only visualise 4 dimensions (height, length, width and time). What sort of life are they? carbon based, silicon based, or gas based? And remember, intelligent life doesn't have to mean sentient. A hive mind could constitute life.
There are just so many factors against us even understanding or even experiencing contact, that mean it would be very unlikely to tell.
Mr Hyena wrote:Yes...because Humanity has been so good at that. Right?
Because how a species interacts with simpler forms of life that it traditionally hunted and ate is exactly how it must behave when that species meets intelligent life elsewhere in the galaxy.
For proof, you can look at all the people who've come into this thread and said 'I hope there's intelligent life out there because I want to hunt it and kill it'.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Because how a species interacts with simpler forms of life that it traditionally hunted and ate is exactly how it must behave when that species meets intelligent life elsewhere in the galaxy.
I heard Europeans interacted pretty nicely with the Native Americans and Africans.
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Because how a species interacts with simpler forms of life that it traditionally hunted and ate is exactly how it must behave when that species meets intelligent life elsewhere in the galaxy.
I heard Europeans interacted pretty nicely with the Native Americans and Africans.
You mean handing them small-pox infested blankets and enslaving them...
Mr Hyena wrote:Thus proving my point. Aliens (if they are intelligent) would do the same to us.
Surely that only holds up if they think in the same way as humans though ?
And, of course, not every European did interact with natives in said fashion.
And of course, pretty uniquely in human history thus far, we have people, organisations and a culture that has and is considering the implications of such a thing happening.
What I think would be more worrying is that human history tends to show that when a culture that has hitherto assumed they're pretty much #1 has encountered a civilisation that is ( in certain ways) superior to them, that culture tends to die out pretty quickly afterwards.
In exactly which direction this would work out would, of course, depend on which civilisation was "superior". I think it would be quite interesting to consider what we would do if we discovered life on another world that wasn't as advanced as us. How would we react or deal with them ? "Prime Directive" type situation, would/should be try to exploit or take advantage of them or perhaps we'd want to step in to help them ? And would that work out.
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We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
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Medium of Death wrote:We've missed the most important question.
Would you help the Aliens subjugate your fellow man?
Depends. Are we talking heroic Army of Darkness almost assured victory or are we talking humans vs. Borg?
If Borg, I have a list of people I would help subjugate.
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If we had the capability to travel to other planets we would do it, and it wouldn't be to hunt and/or kill other intelligent life. There is no reason to assume other species are more likely than not to be different to ourselves.
No it would be much much worse and more callous. We would take their stuff, wiping out their habitat. Even if we didn't we would spread germs and other nasties to take them out (hopefully).
Remember boys and girls...Earth First! We'll mine the other planets later!
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Mr Hyena wrote:Thus proving my point. Aliens (if they are intelligent) would do the same to us.
Surely that only holds up if they think in the same way as humans though ?
And, of course, not every European did interact with natives in said fashion.
And of course, pretty uniquely in human history thus far, we have people, organisations and a culture that has and is considering the implications of such a thing happening.
What I think would be more worrying is that human history tends to show that when a culture that has hitherto assumed they're pretty much #1 has encountered a civilisation that is ( in certain ways) superior to them, that culture tends to die out pretty quickly afterwards.
In exactly which direction this would work out would, of course, depend on which civilisation was "superior". I think it would be quite interesting to consider what we would do if we discovered life on another world that wasn't as advanced as us. How would we react or deal with them ? "Prime Directive" type situation, would/should be try to exploit or take advantage of them or perhaps we'd want to step in to help them ? And would that work out.
Thats the best option actually. The really bad scenarios are when we stumble across (or they us) a speciies that doesn't even recognize we are there, and unknowingly wipes us out.
Other scenarios. what is we run across life that, for all intents and purposes, is immortal, and has not concept of death.
Other scenarios are of the Andromeda Strain variety. Something not intelligent, just utterly lethal, llike Mad Cow disease in space.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
the two men spotted what they at first thought was an X-47B military drone hovering in the air over the woods at night.
so .. they...
trained a scoped Winchester Sportsman .30-06 deer rifle on the object, and fired three successive shots center mass at the object, with no obvious effect, or ricochet sound. Man with me fired two slugs from a Mossberg 12 gauge shotgun center mass, also with no effect."
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Mr Hyena wrote:Intelligent aliens would likely not be friendly. So 'first contact' would not be good. Top scientists theorise as much. They'd have no incentive to be kind to us. The more likely scenario is they'd wipe us out; take the planets resources and move on.
I have always thought this is a silly idea for a few reasons:
1: Why drag mineral/chemical resources out of a planetary gravity well when there are thousands of times more in the asteroid belt.
2. Even if they can breathe the same atmoshere as us it is VERY unlikely that the aliens and us will have the same protein bases so ALL life on earth would be toxic or poisonous to them.
3. Why eat the stuff on earth when you obviously have the tech and energy to synthasize your own food for interstellar travel.
4. Why drop down on to a planet at all? You will only need to build a rocket to get off again. Asteroids are far more space farer friendly once you get over the need for gravity and protection from radiation. Planets are for noobs.
More have died in the name of normality than ever for strangeness. Beware of normal people.
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reds8n wrote:http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981083799
only in America !
Bit confused here as
the two men spotted what they at first thought was an X-47B military drone hovering in the air over the woods at night.
so .. they...
trained a scoped Winchester Sportsman .30-06 deer rifle on the object, and fired three successive shots center mass at the object, with no obvious effect, or ricochet sound. Man with me fired two slugs from a Mossberg 12 gauge shotgun center mass, also with no effect."
They probably just missed.
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Even alien life will have to overcome the exact same hurdles as humanity did. It's not like alien life have an alternate reality with different physical constants than the ones we live and learned by. It would only make sense that if our species is having this very same questions that alien life would also have the very same questions also. And in light of that, I would believe that initial contact with another sentient life form would be, at least initially, friendly.
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As much as I love Warhammer 40000 and all of it's awesomeness and grim darkness - I must here say Clone Commandos would won the day.
Brother Coa speaking against the imperium!?
This can't be unless....Alpharius, is that you?
Also known as "I know there's UFOs out there I just have to find them", IE, pseudoscience (the expectation of the existence of something leads them to believe only explanations that support the existence of the something they believe, even when the explanations aren't the simplest and best ones out there).
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
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"Read the book" is also what Kevin Trudeau says, too.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
Ans as far as France being the "leading nation" for UFOs, that doesn't say much good about France.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
On September 18, 1976 an iranian fighter jet piloted by future General Parviz Jafari(retired) attacks a UAF that had been seen by the inhabitants of Tehran. He tried to fire several times but every time he was to fire his missiles his panel stopped working. When he went to close to it, radio did not work and later after following it, he was forced to withdraw.
On April 11, 1980, Comandante Oscar Santa Marìa attacked a suspected enemy spy ballon that was above the Air Force base, La Joya. He fired a burst of 30 mm shells but without effect. It then speeds away with Oscar following it before he realises what it is and retreats back to the base. A note is that every time both pilots tried to attack the objects steered away and avoided them. And the chances of seeing an UFO is the same as your plane being hijacked of terrorists. Stop being so damn ignorant people. You can believe in god but not something that has been seen by thousands of credible witnesses that have given the same descriptions?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Former president Carter wanted Nasa to set up an agency simillar to the european and south american ones to collect info of UFOs since he himself once saw one.
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As much as I love Warhammer 40000 and all of it's awesomeness and grim darkness - I must here say Clone Commandos would won the day.
Brother Coa speaking against the imperium!?
This can't be unless....Alpharius, is that you?
May the the blessings of His Grace the Emperor tumble down upon you like a golden fog. (Only a VERY select few will get this reference. And it's not from 40k. )
The universe is an enourmous place, infinite, so there MUST be something somewhere. I do doubt, though, that they will visit earth, not today, not tomorrow, not for the next -------- million/billion years if ever.
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