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Joey wrote:

DeadlySquirrel wrote:

LordofHats wrote:A lot of great men end up dying before their time. One of my favorites is Field Marshal Erwin Rommel. After World War II he could have done a lot of help his country. He was rash, arrogant, and maybe a little crazy, but Rommel had an integrity that is rare in human beings, and as a respected officer from the other side, could have been invaluable politically for post-War Germany.

I read his book. Fantastic read. I highly recommend it. A remarkable man.

Malcom X was a black supremiscist(sp?), and IIRC was on drugs and killed his wife or something.

Are you trolling? I can never tell with you.

I watched some film ages ago, and it had a scene where he snorted a line of coke then shot some woman in Africa. Apparently it was based on real events.


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LordofHats wrote:He's a deadlysquirell. Stealth and mystery are his greatest weapons

I have a... Reputation round these parts.

Karon wrote:Malcolm has been and is viewed as everything from an evil racist hate-monger to the champion of modern day militant pro-Black radicals. What he was, in reality, was a remarkably intelligent and charismatic leader who reflected the ills of the society around him, changed throughout his life, and gradually evolved from ignorance to anger to enlightenment.

The great tragedy is that Malcolm's rift with the Nation of Islam brought resulted in his early death, just at the time that he was realizing his true purpose. Commenting on his experience in Mecca, shortly before his assassination, Malcolm comments "I have never before seen sincere and true brotherhood practiced by all colors together, irrespective of their color." In this statement, and others, he acknowledges that his former view on race was merely a reflection of the American racism which surrounded him, and these are the views that he had internalized.

Martin Luther King is justly celebrated; he is an easy hero for white America to embrace. Malcolm X is more problematic, he has sharper edges, but is no less deserving of admiration and honor.

I think a lot of it stems from MLK advocating non-violence, normally the activist who favours non-violence is more popular with folk afterwards.

DeadlySquirrel wrote:

I have a... Reputation round these parts.

I have literally no idea who you are. Which one are you again?

Albatross wrote:

DeadlySquirrel wrote:

I have a... Reputation round these parts.

I have literally no idea who you are. Which one are you again?

The Nazi who believes in atlantis.

What?

This took a turn.

... And other cool stuff too. Conspiracy theories and ancient alien stuff.

ANYWAY! Let's not derail the thread.

Anyways. I think what happened to Malcom X is that he's only ever brought up as a counter-point to MLKs beliefs. MLK was this great uniter while X believed in segregation. Then nothing of his later life is mentioned. So you get this impression he's the anti-MLK. If MLK= good then X must = bad right?

Even Magneto is claimed to be inspired from him. That didn't help his image either...

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Anyways. I think what happened to Malcom X is that he's only ever brought up as a counter-point to MLKs beliefs. MLK was this great uniter while X believed in segregation. Then nothing of his later life is mentioned. So you get this impression he's the anti-MLK. If MLK= good then X must = bad right?

Even Magneto is claimed to be inspired from him. That didn't help his image either...

Like I said, X was a black supramascist. MLK just wanted equal rights, X wanted the blacks and whites to swap positions.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Karon wrote:

LordofHats wrote:

Karon wrote:It is a shame that the schools in the United States teach so much more about Martin Luther King than Malcolm X

Its probably because in the Civil Rights movement MLK is more important than Mal X Plus, MLK had an influence that extended beyond the US, while I don't think Malcom is well known beyond our borders.

That said, a lot of things are ascribed to Malcom X that, while nto necessarily false, are often over simplifications of his character and life that ignore the more complex reality of the man, but that could really be said for any historical figure who tends to only be known by name.

Even if MLK is more important, Malcolm X should NOT be taught in a negative way in the schools. That is simply criminal. One major reason MLK is more popular and taught is because he was entirely nice to Whites during his movement. He was foolish in a large part.

The man is an amazing example of the evolution of a human being who had to go through so much in his life.

Your second statement is correct, and it saddens me. People think of Malcolm X almost as a terrorist...its unfathomable.

Malcolm X was, rightfully so, skeptical that MLK and his peace movement would work.

It really pains me to think how great of a man he could have been known to be if he wasn't assassinated in such an untimely fashion. Right after he had reached enlightenment and thrown away a lot of his misconceptions, he was willing to work with MLK and the peace movement. He realized he was wrong and was being led astray by the Nation.

He still would never give up the idea that Blacks and Whites could not coexist as just human beings, instead of being identified by their color in his lifetime. He was right, clearly.

Well then that is why he is not as appreciated by history.

Others view him as a terrorist. Captain crazy Farrakhan taking over didn't help. His latest rant about McDonalds is quite entertaining.,

Frazzled wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Karon wrote:

LordofHats wrote:

Karon wrote:It is a shame that the schools in the United States teach so much more about Martin Luther King than Malcolm X

Its probably because in the Civil Rights movement MLK is more important than Mal X Plus, MLK had an influence that extended beyond the US, while I don't think Malcom is well known beyond our borders.

That said, a lot of things are ascribed to Malcom X that, while nto necessarily false, are often over simplifications of his character and life that ignore the more complex reality of the man, but that could really be said for any historical figure who tends to only be known by name.

Even if MLK is more important, Malcolm X should NOT be taught in a negative way in the schools. That is simply criminal. One major reason MLK is more popular and taught is because he was entirely nice to Whites during his movement. He was foolish in a large part.

The man is an amazing example of the evolution of a human being who had to go through so much in his life.

Your second statement is correct, and it saddens me. People think of Malcolm X almost as a terrorist...its unfathomable.

Malcolm X was, rightfully so, skeptical that MLK and his peace movement would work.

It really pains me to think how great of a man he could have been known to be if he wasn't assassinated in such an untimely fashion. Right after he had reached enlightenment and thrown away a lot of his misconceptions, he was willing to work with MLK and the peace movement. He realized he was wrong and was being led astray by the Nation.

He still would never give up the idea that Blacks and Whites could not coexist as just human beings, instead of being identified by their color in his lifetime. He was right, clearly.

Well then that is why he is not as appreciated by history.

Morons view him as a terrorist. Captain crazy Farrakhan taking over didn't help. His latest rant about McDonalds is quite entertaining.,

Fixed that for you.

For the last 2 years of his life, Malcolm X was separate from the Nation of Islam.

Karon wrote:Malcolm X begun to rethink his thoughts on the segregation of Whites and Blacks after his pilgrimage to Mecca. Most of the Muslim Leaders he had met in Africa were in fact White.

Indeed his redemption is unfortunately forgotten by people who had already hardened to him.

Karon wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Wasn't he?

If you're an ignorant moron, yes - obviously.

Its true.

He also advocated for the violent overthrow of society and mass murder of so-called "oppressors."

Clearly a misunderstood hero.

biccat wrote:

Karon wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Wasn't he?

If you're an ignorant moron, yes - obviously.

Its true.

He also advocated for the violent overthrow of society and mass murder of so-called "oppressors."

Clearly a misunderstood hero.

^ Pretty much what I'm getting it.

Also:

Karon wrote:For the last 2 years of his life, Malcolm X was separate from the Nation of Islam.

Because he thought the Nation of Islam was an obstacle to his goals. Not because he thought they were too radical, but because they weren't radical enough.

From the horse's mouth:

I don’t go for anything that’s non-violent and turn-the-other-cheekish. I don’t see how any revolution—I’ve never heard of a non-violent revolution or a revolution that was brought about by turning the other cheek, and so I believe that it is a crime for anyone to teach a person who is being brutalized to continue to accept that brutality without doing something to defend himself. If this is what the Christian-Gandhian philosophy teaches then it is criminal—a criminal philosophy.

It's like a mass conspiracy to defame the poor, misunderstood hero of uh...violent black separatism.

Sonophos wrote:

Melissia wrote:Science has created male egg cells and female sperm cells out of stem cells.

Yay for scientists with too much time on thier hands!

Yeah, damn those scientists for wasting their time on stupid stuff like curing infertility.


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Karon wrote:It is a shame that the schools in the United States teach so much more about Martin Luther King than Malcolm X.

I asked my cousin, who had graduated high-school last year, if they ever even mentioned Malcolm X in his United-States History class.

He told me they said he was a radical Islamist that only inflamed the situation for the civil rights movement.

I think it's at least as much of a shame that people are told just the disney version of MLK, and told nothing on his more contraversial views on class and economics.


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Karon wrote:Yeah, he's not appreciated because he didn't go along with everything the Whites said like MLK did. Don't give me that bs.

That's an imaginative interpretation of MLK.


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Frazzled wrote:Others view him as a terrorist. Captain crazy Farrakhan taking over didn't help. His latest rant about McDonalds is quite entertaining.,

And there's plenty of reason to view Mandela as a terrorist, as well.

Which is why we need to recognise the complexity of the situation and the people within it, and not think assigning labels of 'terrorist' and 'not a terrorist' are at all useful.

Mandela threw a bomb into a cafe filled with women and children. He's a terrorist alright

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Emergency

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SECOND
Have you locked your keys in the car?

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THIRD
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Imagine your cell battery is very low . To activate, press the keys *3370# . Your cell phone will restart with this reserve and the instrument will show a 50% increase in battery . This reserve will get charged when you charge your cell phone next time.

FOURTH
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SECOND
Have you locked your keys in the car?

Does your car have remote keyless entry? This may come in handy someday . Good reason to own a cell phone: If you lock your keys In the car and the spare keys are at home, call someone at home on their cell phone from your cell phone . Hold your cell phone about a foot from your car door and have the person at your home press the unlock button, holding it near the mobile phone on their end . Your car will unlock . Saves someone from having to drive your keys to you . Distance is no object . You could be hundreds of miles away, and if you can reach someone who has the other ‘remote’ for your car, you can unlock the doors (or the trunk).

This actually does not work. Most car remotes work on infrared, not sound. Newer ones do use sound, but not on a frequency that a cell phone can reproduce.

http://www.snopes.com/autos/techno/keyless.asp

As far as Malcom X goes, the man was wrong and misguided most of his life, and in fact went from bad ideology to bad ideology many times. In the end he finally got it right, but then his old associates killed him. Not really a figure to be looked up to if you ask me. Then again I don't look up to many people. His life could be taught as a moral redemption story. The problem with teaching Malcom X is that most of his life is not something you would want children to look up to.

To be honest with you I think Chuck D is a much better role model than Malcom X. Unfortunately for Chuck D the only way to get people to pay attention was to surround himself with a idiot like Flava Flav who is really the epitome of everything that Chuck D stood against, but will be forever linked with him.

Andrew1975 wrote:

SECOND
Have you locked your keys in the car?

Does your car have remote keyless entry? This may come in handy someday . Good reason to own a cell phone: If you lock your keys In the car and the spare keys are at home, call someone at home on their cell phone from your cell phone . Hold your cell phone about a foot from your car door and have the person at your home press the unlock button, holding it near the mobile phone on their end . Your car will unlock . Saves someone from having to drive your keys to you . Distance is no object . You could be hundreds of miles away, and if you can reach someone who has the other ‘remote’ for your car, you can unlock the doors (or the trunk).

This actually does not work. Most car remotes work on infrared, not sound. Newer ones do use sound, but not on a frequency that a cell phone can reproduce.

http://www.snopes.com/autos/techno/keyless.asp

As far as Malcom X goes, the man was wrong and misguided most of his life, and in fact went from bad ideology to bad ideology many times. In the end he finally got it right, but then his old associates killed him. Not really a figure to be looked up to if you ask me. Then again I don't look up to many people. His life could be taught as a moral redemption story. The problem with teaching Malcom X is that most of his life is not something you would want children to look up to.

To be honest with you I think Chuck D is a much better role model than Malcom X. Unfortunately for Chuck D the only way to get people to pay attention was to surround himself with a idiot like Flava Flav who is really the epitome of everything that Chuck D stood against, but will be forever linked with him.

I don't like generalizations. If you know about Malcolm X, you would know he is something worth teaching just as much as MLK is.

Philip K. Dick the author and Xzibit from Pimp My Ride are the same person.
Observe:
They put things that people like in bigger versions of things that people like (or dislike in Phil's position) such as a story in a story like in Man in the High Castle, or in that dolphin car that had dolphin stuff in it.

Want more conviction? I've got more evidence.

I don't like generalizations. If you know about Malcolm X, you would know he is something worth teaching just as much as MLK is.

Why? He's too conflicted to teach until a college level course on civil rights, which I'm sure actually discusses him in depth. Most school general history books dedicate all of a few paragraphs to MLK and the Civil rights movement. To get Malcom X right you have to basically study him from beginning to end. MLK gets taught more because he is easy to teach and was more in the forefront. In short it is easy to sum up MLK in a few paragraphs, you can't do that with X.

You may not like generalizations, but that is really all that is taught in basic level history books.

Look at how many people get Malcom X wrong, or just know his early hate filled teachings. These are the same idiots who wear his hats as they loot and burn their own neighborhoods. To most people he is just a t-shirt or hat to wear with the same misguided hype that makes Che Guevara shirts so popular.

"“I think right about now we have to beware of marketed Malcolms and Martins. Real people do real things.”
― Chuck D

AustonT wrote:

DickBandit wrote:Your Check Engine Light is only used to indicate emissions failures.

Absolutely false.

How so?

Joey wrote:

Frazzled wrote:A man can break the neck of a mountain lion with just his bare hands, no sweat.

True fact.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=O5gldxTmLsQ
You saying you COULDN'T have that thing?

STILL haven't given up on this gem? /Shrug. I guess it's better than Nazi Atlantis.

Karon wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Wasn't he?

If you're an ignorant moron, yes - obviously.

First of all you're offensive and calling Kamikaze names is a violation of rule 1.
Second Malcom X wanted the equivalent of a 2 state solution in the US, along with violent revolution. He was a bigot. His place in history is that of a bigot, not a reformer. He's lucky his name is mentioned at all.

DickBandit wrote:

AustonT wrote:

DickBandit wrote:Your Check Engine Light is only used to indicate emissions failures.

Absolutely false.

How so?

The Check Engine Light, or Malfunction Indicator Lamp lights when the car indicates a fault in the OBD-II code systems which include crankshaft timing, coolant system failures, and dozens of others.
maybe in a certain year group the CLE only indicated emissions failures, I still doubt it but it's certainly not true now.

AustonT wrote:

DickBandit wrote:

AustonT wrote:

DickBandit wrote:Your Check Engine Light is only used to indicate emissions failures.

Absolutely false.

How so?

The Check Engine Light, or Malfunction Indicator Lamp lights when the car indicates a fault in the OBD-II code systems which include crankshaft timing, coolant system failures, and dozens of others.
maybe in a certain year group the CLE only indicated emissions failures, I still doubt it but it's certainly not true now.

You're absolutely right. All those things contribute to ensuring that your engine burns the fuel efficiently as possible.

Here's how:
Crankshaft Timing: This is used to tell the PCM (powertrain control module) when Piston #1 is coming up on TDC (top dead center) for compression shortly before the power stroke. Using this information the PCM can accurately time the ignition coil to fire the spark. Different manufacturers can program this based on whatever they feel provides the most accurate info. So really Crankshaft Timing can be done with any of the cylinders on any stroke, but #1 is usually the most commonly used for simplicity's sake.

Coolant System Failures: When your engine is first started (Let's say first thing in the morning) it is at ambient temperature. Unfortunately the engine's ideal operating temperature is USUALLY (differs from make and model) around 190 degrees Fahrenheit. So when the engine is cold is makes the engine burn rich (more fuel than is needed) to rapidly warm up. If the engine cannot warm up as fast as it should, your emissions suffer because a lot of unburnt fuel is exiting your exhaust pipe. A hot engine will damage pistons, piston rings, leak oil, and many other catastrophic failures. These failures can also become detrimental to the vehicle's emissions.

AustonT wrote:

Joey wrote:

Frazzled wrote:A man can break the neck of a mountain lion with just his bare hands, no sweat.

True fact.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=O5gldxTmLsQ
You saying you COULDN'T have that thing?

STILL haven't given up on this gem? /Shrug. I guess it's better than Nazi Atlantis.

Karon wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Wasn't he?

If you're an ignorant moron, yes - obviously.

First of all you're offensive and calling Kamikaze names is a violation of rule 1.
Second Malcom X wanted the equivalent of a 2 state solution in the US, along with violent revolution. He was a bigot. His place in history is that of a bigot, not a reformer. He's lucky his name is mentioned at all.

DickBandit wrote:

AustonT wrote:

DickBandit wrote:Your Check Engine Light is only used to indicate emissions failures.

Absolutely false.

How so?

The Check Engine Light, or Malfunction Indicator Lamp lights when the car indicates a fault in the OBD-II code systems which include crankshaft timing, coolant system failures, and dozens of others.
maybe in a certain year group the CLE only indicated emissions failures, I still doubt it but it's certainly not true now.

You show your lack of knowledge of Malcolm X, Auston. You have no idea who he was. Read back throughout where we started talking about him, we already explained his life.

I didn't call Canuck a moron, I said that if one was to think that - then they are an ignorant moron.

DickBandit wrote:

AustonT wrote:

DickBandit wrote:

AustonT wrote:

DickBandit wrote:Your Check Engine Light is only used to indicate emissions failures.

Absolutely false.

How so?

The Check Engine Light, or Malfunction Indicator Lamp lights when the car indicates a fault in the OBD-II code systems which include crankshaft timing, coolant system failures, and dozens of others.
maybe in a certain year group the CLE only indicated emissions failures, I still doubt it but it's certainly not true now.

You're absolutely right. All those things contribute to ensuring that your engine burns the fuel efficiently as possible.

Here's how:
Crankshaft Timing: This is used to tell the PCM (powertrain control module) when Piston #1 is coming up on TDC (top dead center) for compression shortly before the power stroke. Using this information the PCM can accurately time the ignition coil to fire the spark. Different manufacturers can program this based on whatever they feel provides the most accurate info. So really Crankshaft Timing can be done with any of the cylinders on any stroke, but #1 is usually the most commonly used for simplicity's sake.

Coolant System Failures: When your engine is first started (Let's say first thing in the morning) it is at ambient temperature. Unfortunately the engine's ideal operating temperature is USUALLY (differs from make and model) around 190 degrees Fahrenheit. So when the engine is cold is makes the engine burn rich (more fuel than is needed) to rapidly warm up. If the engine cannot warm up as fast as it should, your emissions suffer because a lot of unburnt fuel is exiting your exhaust pipe. A hot engine will damage pistons, piston rings, leak oil, and many other catastrophic failures. These failures can also become detrimental to the vehicle's emissions.

I'm inclined to think you might be stretching that logic but I'm willing to entertain the possibility you are correct. I'll look into it, my instinct is that you may be widening the scope of "emissions" a little far.

You show your lack of knowledge of Malcolm X, Auston. You have no idea who he was. Read back throughout where we started talking about him, we already explained his life.

I didn't call Canuck a moron, I said that if one was to think that - then they are an ignorant moron.

Well that's not really true though. This is the problem with Malcom X, in his life he was many things to many people. He was at times a bigot, he was also at times a revolutionary, he was a pawn of the NOI, he was a criminal and reportedly prostituted himself to other men. It was only later in life, after his pilgrimage to Mecca that he became anything worthy of a civil rights leader, but that was so far into the end of his life that it really does not make up for his past. He can hardly be called a role model, except for the end of his moral journey and redemption.

If anyone is being ignorant it is the one who only sees the end result of Malcom X, and not the life that led up to it. For most of his life Malcom X was a misguided and hateful donkey cave. You can't blame people for remembering him as one, because they didn't pay attention to the last moments of his life, to many people at that point he was already someone not worth listing to.

The most remarkable thing about Malcom X (its more a commentary of Isalm really) is that he learned tolerance from Islam. Which just goes to show how much Radical Islam has changed the current mood of some Islamic teachings.

AustonT wrote:

DickBandit wrote:

AustonT wrote:

DickBandit wrote:

AustonT wrote:

DickBandit wrote:Your Check Engine Light is only used to indicate emissions failures.

Absolutely false.

How so?

The Check Engine Light, or Malfunction Indicator Lamp lights when the car indicates a fault in the OBD-II code systems which include crankshaft timing, coolant system failures, and dozens of others.
maybe in a certain year group the CLE only indicated emissions failures, I still doubt it but it's certainly not true now.

You're absolutely right. All those things contribute to ensuring that your engine burns the fuel efficiently as possible.

Here's how:
Crankshaft Timing: This is used to tell the PCM (powertrain control module) when Piston #1 is coming up on TDC (top dead center) for compression shortly before the power stroke. Using this information the PCM can accurately time the ignition coil to fire the spark. Different manufacturers can program this based on whatever they feel provides the most accurate info. So really Crankshaft Timing can be done with any of the cylinders on any stroke, but #1 is usually the most commonly used for simplicity's sake.

Coolant System Failures: When your engine is first started (Let's say first thing in the morning) it is at ambient temperature. Unfortunately the engine's ideal operating temperature is USUALLY (differs from make and model) around 190 degrees Fahrenheit. So when the engine is cold is makes the engine burn rich (more fuel than is needed) to rapidly warm up. If the engine cannot warm up as fast as it should, your emissions suffer because a lot of unburnt fuel is exiting your exhaust pipe. A hot engine will damage pistons, piston rings, leak oil, and many other catastrophic failures. These failures can also become detrimental to the vehicle's emissions.

I'm inclined to think you might be stretching that logic but I'm willing to entertain the possibility you are correct. I'll look into it, my instinct is that you may be widening the scope of "emissions" a little far.

It seems that way, but that's how it is. That's the reason why you will fail state inspection if a Check Engine Light is lit.

Incorrect spark timing may not properly burn the air/fuel mixture. Your catalytic converter is a small combustion chamber that is meant to ignite any remaining fuel in the exhaust stream. If there is too much coming through the catalytic converter may be damaged due to too much fuel passing through. It's only meant to burn it, not make explosions. The 02 sensor will pick up on this, and if the PCM cannot adjust enough to correct the issue it will set a DTC (diagnostic trouble code) and storeit in the KAM (keep alive memory) inside the PCM. If it continues it will light the check engine light.

Karon wrote:I don't like generalizations. If you know about Malcolm X, you would know he is something worth teaching just as much as MLK is.

So people who don't think he's worth teaching are simply wrong, because they haven't read enough.


Meanwhile, the problem with teaching Malcolm X is that you end up teaching a character study. MLK, on the other hand, can be used as a proxy for teaching about a whole movement.

And, as I said earlier, I think it's far more problematic that we've simplified MLK down to 'wanted black and white people to be equal', and have steadily worked to all but ignore the commentary he gave on economics and class.


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DeadlySquirrel wrote:Mandela threw a bomb into a cafe filled with women and children. He's a terrorist alright

What exactly are you trying to achieve in this thread?

biccat wrote:
From the horse's mouth:

I don’t go for anything that’s non-violent and turn-the-other-cheekish. I don’t see how any revolution—I’ve never heard of a non-violent revolution or a revolution that was brought about by turning the other cheek, and so I believe that it is a crime for anyone to teach a person who is being brutalized to continue to accept that brutality without doing something to defend himself. If this is what the Christian-Gandhian philosophy teaches then it is criminal—a criminal philosophy.

Also from the horse's mouth:

And by political philosophy I mean we still believe in the Honorable Elijah Muhammad’s solution as complete separation. The 22,000,000 so-called Negroes should be separated completely from America and should be permitted to go back home to our African homeland which is a long-range program; so the short-range program is that we must eat while we’re still here, we must have a place to sleep, we have clothes to wear, we must have better jobs, we must have better education; so that although our long-range political philosophy is to migrate back to our African homeland, our short-range program must involve that which is necessary to enable us to live a better life while we are still here. We must be in complete control of the politics of the so-called Negro community; we must gain complete control over the politicians in the so-called Negro community, so that no outsider will have any voice in the so-called Negro community. We’ll do it ourselves.

biccat wrote:
It's like a mass conspiracy to defame the poor, misunderstood hero of uh...violent black separatism.

Indeed, and it generally starts by implying that the goals of black nationalism would be accomplished by acts of violence.