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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/01 23:18:48
Subject: I'm Bored... Tell me something interesting... ...or controversial.
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Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Frazzled wrote:Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:An in-shape human is a better adapted long-distance runner than a horse.
It's to do with the structure of our legs, pelvis, and ability to sweat, apparently.
Aren't humsn like in the top3 or something in ability to do long distance running? HAH! Take that Molemen!
Indeed.
And they say we're puny as a species. Pah.
#1 I think. That was the whole point in becoming bipedal.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/01 23:33:00
Subject: I'm Bored... Tell me something interesting... ...or controversial.
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Inertial Navigation Systems (INS) work out where they are from where they aren't.
(from an official manual on a Delco INS unit. Management edition).
As in.
"I left here (x), I am headed towards there (y). I am not in a,b,c or d, so I must be at this point (e) on the line."
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I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
That is not dead which can eternal lie ...
... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/01 23:44:39
Subject: I'm Bored... Tell me something interesting... ...or controversial.
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Savage Minotaur
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It is a shame that the schools in the United States teach so much more about Martin Luther King than Malcolm X.
I asked my cousin, who had graduated high-school last year, if they ever even mentioned Malcolm X in his United-States History class.
He told me they said he was a radical Islamist that only inflamed the situation for the civil rights movement.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/01 23:48:40
Subject: Re:I'm Bored... Tell me something interesting... ...or controversial.
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
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Wasn't he?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/01 23:53:14
Subject: Re:I'm Bored... Tell me something interesting... ...or controversial.
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Savage Minotaur
Chicago
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KamikazeCanuck wrote:Wasn't he?
If you're an ignorant moron, yes - obviously.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/01 23:57:29
Subject: I'm Bored... Tell me something interesting... ...or controversial.
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Battlefortress Driver with Krusha Wheel
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KamikazeCanuck wrote:Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Frazzled wrote:Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:An in-shape human is a better adapted long-distance runner than a horse.
It's to do with the structure of our legs, pelvis, and ability to sweat, apparently.
Aren't humsn like in the top3 or something in ability to do long distance running? HAH! Take that Molemen!
Indeed.
And they say we're puny as a species. Pah.
#1 I think. That was the whole point in becoming bipedal.
Well, that and the massive advantages we gain by evolving upper limbs purely for manipulation and tool-making.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/01 23:58:16
Subject: I'm Bored... Tell me something interesting... ...or controversial.
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Well in Britain hardly any school children could tell you who Watt Tyler was, or the Levellers, or the Bill of Rights.
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Ever thought 40k would be a lot better with bears?
Codex: Bears.
NOW WITH MR BIGGLES AND HIS AMAZING FLYING CONTRAPTION |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/02 00:03:38
Subject: I'm Bored... Tell me something interesting... ...or controversial.
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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Karon wrote:It is a shame that the schools in the United States teach so much more about Martin Luther King than Malcolm X
Its probably because in the Civil Rights movement MLK is more important than Mal X  Plus, MLK had an influence that extended beyond the US, while I don't think Malcom is well known beyond our borders.
That said, a lot of things are ascribed to Malcom X that, while nto necessarily false, are often over simplifications of his character and life that ignore the more complex reality of the man, but that could really be said for any historical figure who tends to only be known by name.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/02 00:07:14
Subject: I'm Bored... Tell me something interesting... ...or controversial.
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LordofHats wrote:Karon wrote:It is a shame that the schools in the United States teach so much more about Martin Luther King than Malcolm X
Its probably because in the Civil Rights movement MLK is more important than Mal X  Plus, MLK had an influence that extended beyond the US, while I don't think Malcom is well known beyond our borders.
That said, a lot of things are ascribed to Malcom X that, while nto necessarily false, are often over simplifications of his character and life that ignore the more complex reality of the man, but that could really be said for any historical figure who tends to only be known by name.
I can verify this, Martin Luther King is famous throughout Europe, Malcolm X much less so, outside of black communities. The only reason I know who he is was because of a friend at school.
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Ever thought 40k would be a lot better with bears?
Codex: Bears.
NOW WITH MR BIGGLES AND HIS AMAZING FLYING CONTRAPTION |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/02 00:12:07
Subject: I'm Bored... Tell me something interesting... ...or controversial.
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Savage Minotaur
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LordofHats wrote:Karon wrote:It is a shame that the schools in the United States teach so much more about Martin Luther King than Malcolm X
Its probably because in the Civil Rights movement MLK is more important than Mal X  Plus, MLK had an influence that extended beyond the US, while I don't think Malcom is well known beyond our borders.
That said, a lot of things are ascribed to Malcom X that, while nto necessarily false, are often over simplifications of his character and life that ignore the more complex reality of the man, but that could really be said for any historical figure who tends to only be known by name.
Even if MLK is more important, Malcolm X should NOT be taught in a negative way in the schools. That is simply criminal. One major reason MLK is more popular and taught is because he was entirely nice to Whites during his movement. He was foolish in a large part.
The man is an amazing example of the evolution of a human being who had to go through so much in his life.
Your second statement is correct, and it saddens me. People think of Malcolm X almost as a terrorist...its unfathomable.
Malcolm X was, rightfully so, skeptical that MLK and his peace movement would work.
It really pains me to think how great of a man he could have been known to be if he wasn't assassinated in such an untimely fashion. Right after he had reached enlightenment and thrown away a lot of his misconceptions, he was willing to work with MLK and the peace movement. He realized he was wrong and was being led astray by the Nation.
He still would never give up the idea that Blacks and Whites could not coexist as just human beings, instead of being identified by their color in his lifetime. He was right, clearly.
If anyone really cares about him, they should read his most famous speech. It outlines his feelings right before his pilgrimage to Mecca. He had been rid of the Nation of Islam at this point, and was thinking for himself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ballot_or_the_Bullet
After leaving the Nation of Islam, Malcolm X announced his willingness to work with leaders of the civil rights movement,[112] though he felt that it should change its focus to human rights. So long as the movement remained a fight for civil rights, its struggle would remain a domestic issue, but by framing the struggle as a fight for human rights, it would become an international issue, and the movement could bring its complaint before the United Nations. Malcolm X said the emerging nations of the world would add their support to the cause of African Americans.[223]
Malcolm never had a chance to become known wordwide and bring it to the United Nations. He was murded before the world could realize his true brilliance.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/02 00:22:37
Subject: I'm Bored... Tell me something interesting... ...or controversial.
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
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Karon wrote:LordofHats wrote:Karon wrote:It is a shame that the schools in the United States teach so much more about Martin Luther King than Malcolm X
Its probably because in the Civil Rights movement MLK is more important than Mal X  Plus, MLK had an influence that extended beyond the US, while I don't think Malcom is well known beyond our borders.
That said, a lot of things are ascribed to Malcom X that, while nto necessarily false, are often over simplifications of his character and life that ignore the more complex reality of the man, but that could really be said for any historical figure who tends to only be known by name.
Even if MLK is more important, Malcolm X should NOT be taught in a negative way in the schools. That is simply criminal. One major reason MLK is more popular and taught is because he was entirely nice to Whites during his movement. He was foolish in a large part.
The man is an amazing example of the evolution of a human being who had to go through so much in his life.
Your second statement is correct, and it saddens me. People think of Malcolm X almost as a terrorist...its unfathomable.
Malcolm X was, rightfully so, skeptical that MLK and his peace movement would work.
It really pains me to think how great of a man he could have been known to be if he wasn't assassinated in such an untimely fashion. Right after he had reached enlightenment and thrown away a lot of his misconceptions, he was willing to work with MLK and the peace movement. He realized he was wrong and was being led astray by the Nation.
He still would never give up the idea that Blacks and Whites could not coexist as just human beings, instead of being identified by their color in his lifetime. He was right, clearly.
Well then that is why he is not as appreciated by history.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/02 00:24:57
Subject: Re:I'm Bored... Tell me something interesting... ...or controversial.
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Savage Minotaur
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After leaving the Nation of Islam, Malcolm X announced his willingness to work with leaders of the civil rights movement,[112] though he felt that it should change its focus to human rights. So long as the movement remained a fight for civil rights, its struggle would remain a domestic issue, but by framing the struggle as a fight for human rights, it would become an international issue, and the movement could bring its complaint before the United Nations. Malcolm X said the emerging nations of the world would add their support to the cause of African Americans.[223]
Malcolm X declared that he and the other members of the Organization of Afro-American Unity were determined to defend themselves from aggressors, and to secure freedom, justice and equality "by whatever means necessary", arguing that if the government was unwilling or unable to protect black people, they should protect themselves.[224]
Malcolm X stressed the global perspective he gained from his international travels. He emphasized the "direct connection" between the domestic struggle of African Americans for equal rights with the liberation struggles of Third World nations.[225] He said that African Americans were wrong when they thought of themselves as a minority; in a global context, black people were a majority, not a minority.[226]
In his speeches at the Militant Labor Forum, which was sponsored by the Socialist Workers Party, Malcolm X criticized capitalism.[147] After one such speech, when he was asked what political and economic system he wanted, he said he didn't know, but that it was no coincidence the newly liberated countries in the Third World were turning toward socialism.[227] Malcolm X still was concerned primarily with the freedom struggle of African Americans. When a reporter asked him what he thought about socialism, Malcolm X asked whether it was good for black people. When the reporter told him it seemed to be, Malcolm X told him, "Then I'm for it."[227][228]
Although he no longer called for the separation of black people from white people, Malcolm X continued to advocate black nationalism, which he defined as self-determination for the African-American community.[229] In the last months of his life, however, Malcolm X began to reconsider his support of black nationalism after meeting northern African revolutionaries who, to all appearances, were white.[230]
After his Hajj, Malcolm X articulated a view of white people and racism that represented a deep change from the philosophy he had supported as a minister of the Nation of Islam. In a famous letter from Mecca, he wrote that his experiences with white people during his pilgrimage convinced him to "rearrange" his thinking about race and "toss aside some of [his] previous conclusions".[231] In a 1965 conversation with Gordon Parks, two days before his assassination, Malcolm said:
[L]istening to leaders like Nasser, Ben Bella, and Nkrumah awakened me to the dangers of racism. I realized racism isn't just a black and white problem. It's brought bloodbaths to about every nation on earth at one time or another.
Brother, remember the time that white college girl came into the restaurant—the one who wanted to help the [Black] Muslims and the whites get together—and I told her there wasn't a ghost of a chance and she went away crying? Well, I've lived to regret that incident. In many parts of the African continent I saw white students helping black people. Something like this kills a lot of argument. I did many things as a [Black] Muslim that I'm sorry for now. I was a zombie then—like all [Black] Muslims—I was hypnotized, pointed in a certain direction and told to march. Well, I guess a man's entitled to make a fool of himself if he's ready to pay the cost. It cost me 12 years.
That was a bad scene, brother. The sickness and madness of those days—I'm glad to be free of them
Yeah, he's not appreciated because he didn't go along with everything the Whites said like MLK did. Don't give me that bs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/02 00:29:26
Subject: Re:I'm Bored... Tell me something interesting... ...or controversial.
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
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Like other non-Americans (and I guess Americans) have said it's known MLK is revered but not much is really taught about Malcom X. So honest question: Did he believe in segregation?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/02 00:29:32
Subject: Re:I'm Bored... Tell me something interesting... ...or controversial.
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Karon wrote:After leaving the Nation of Islam, Malcolm X announced his willingness to work with leaders of the civil rights movement,[112] though he felt that it should change its focus to human rights. So long as the movement remained a fight for civil rights, its struggle would remain a domestic issue, but by framing the struggle as a fight for human rights, it would become an international issue, and the movement could bring its complaint before the United Nations. Malcolm X said the emerging nations of the world would add their support to the cause of African Americans.[223]
Malcolm X declared that he and the other members of the Organization of Afro-American Unity were determined to defend themselves from aggressors, and to secure freedom, justice and equality "by whatever means necessary", arguing that if the government was unwilling or unable to protect black people, they should protect themselves.[224]
Malcolm X stressed the global perspective he gained from his international travels. He emphasized the "direct connection" between the domestic struggle of African Americans for equal rights with the liberation struggles of Third World nations.[225] He said that African Americans were wrong when they thought of themselves as a minority; in a global context, black people were a majority, not a minority.[226]
In his speeches at the Militant Labor Forum, which was sponsored by the Socialist Workers Party, Malcolm X criticized capitalism.[147] After one such speech, when he was asked what political and economic system he wanted, he said he didn't know, but that it was no coincidence the newly liberated countries in the Third World were turning toward socialism.[227] Malcolm X still was concerned primarily with the freedom struggle of African Americans. When a reporter asked him what he thought about socialism, Malcolm X asked whether it was good for black people. When the reporter told him it seemed to be, Malcolm X told him, "Then I'm for it."[227][228]
Although he no longer called for the separation of black people from white people, Malcolm X continued to advocate black nationalism, which he defined as self-determination for the African-American community.[229] In the last months of his life, however, Malcolm X began to reconsider his support of black nationalism after meeting northern African revolutionaries who, to all appearances, were white.[230]
After his Hajj, Malcolm X articulated a view of white people and racism that represented a deep change from the philosophy he had supported as a minister of the Nation of Islam. In a famous letter from Mecca, he wrote that his experiences with white people during his pilgrimage convinced him to "rearrange" his thinking about race and "toss aside some of [his] previous conclusions".[231] In a 1965 conversation with Gordon Parks, two days before his assassination, Malcolm said:
[L]istening to leaders like Nasser, Ben Bella, and Nkrumah awakened me to the dangers of racism. I realized racism isn't just a black and white problem. It's brought bloodbaths to about every nation on earth at one time or another.
Brother, remember the time that white college girl came into the restaurant—the one who wanted to help the [Black] Muslims and the whites get together—and I told her there wasn't a ghost of a chance and she went away crying? Well, I've lived to regret that incident. In many parts of the African continent I saw white students helping black people. Something like this kills a lot of argument. I did many things as a [Black] Muslim that I'm sorry for now. I was a zombie then—like all [Black] Muslims—I was hypnotized, pointed in a certain direction and told to march. Well, I guess a man's entitled to make a fool of himself if he's ready to pay the cost. It cost me 12 years.
That was a bad scene, brother. The sickness and madness of those days—I'm glad to be free of them
Yeah, he's not appreciated because he didn't go along with everything the Whites said like MLK did. Don't give me that bs.
The logical conclusion of which is that the USA ceases to exist. And you wonder why the government don't like him?
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Ever thought 40k would be a lot better with bears?
Codex: Bears.
NOW WITH MR BIGGLES AND HIS AMAZING FLYING CONTRAPTION |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/02 00:34:40
Subject: I'm Bored... Tell me something interesting... ...or controversial.
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Fixture of Dakka
Manchester UK
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Martin Luther King Jr. engaged in orgiastic behaviour.
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Cheesecat wrote:
I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/02 00:38:30
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Karon wrote: Yeah, he's not appreciated because he didn't go along with everything the Whites said like MLK did. Don't give me that bs. "the Whites"? Dude, you're white...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/02 00:38:41
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Malcolm X begun to rethink his thoughts on the segregation of Whites and Blacks after his pilgrimage to Mecca. Most of the Muslim Leaders he had met in Africa were in fact White.
Read what I posted - it doesn't look like you have.
Joey, please direct your comment at something that makes sense. You quoted an entire section - I don't know what you are talking about.
I'm well aware the color of my skin is White. That is irrelevant, Corpses.
Things in the United States were a LOT different from 1940-1965.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/02 00:41:04
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People are generally remembered for the bad over the good. From what I saw it seemed like he was a passionate, brilliant, but misguided man for most of his activist life, and only at the end did he realise where he was wrong and accept this, which is a pretty big thing to do in my eyes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/02 00:42:01
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MrDwhitey wrote:People are generally remembered for the bad over the good. From what I saw it seemed like he was a passionate, brilliant, but misguided man for most of his activist life, and only at the end did he realise where he was wrong and accept this, which is a pretty big thing to do in my eyes.
I'm glad someone actually knows how to read. If you read his Wikipedia page, they say this exact same thing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/02 00:43:52
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It just seems weird to say "the Whites" in that context, especially when you're white yourself. It would be like an FBI agent complaining about "the man".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/02 00:44:53
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corpsesarefun wrote:It just seems weird to say "the Whites" in that context, especially when you're white yourself. It would be like an FBI agent complaining about "the man".
Yeah but then he'd just be griping about his dad.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/02 00:45:32
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Karon wrote:Even if MLK is more important, Malcolm X should NOT be taught in a negative way in the schools. That is simply criminal. One major reason MLK is more popular and taught is because he was entirely nice to Whites during his movement. He was foolish in a large part.
I think that's a little unfair to MLK. The reason Malcolm wasn't as popular was because he was so hostile and aggressive with his beliefs early in his career. No body responds well to that behavior, anywhere. MLK embraced the same style of activism that made Ghandi a world wide legend, and I'd argue resparked world interest in Ghandi's non-violent form of protest and activism.
Malcolm X was, rightfully so, skeptical that MLK and his peace movement would work.
Nothing wrong with being skeptical but numerous example of the 20th century showed MLK's method to be very effective in achieving lasting change. When you approach the other side civilly and patiently, its much easier to win them over. Malcom's rhetoric alienated rather than endeared him to others and I'd argue in the political environment he was active in, his methods were never going work.
It really pains me to think how great of a man he could have been known to be if he wasn't assassinated in such an untimely fashion. Right after he had reached enlightenment and thrown away a lot of his misconceptions, he was willing to work with MLK and the peace movement. He realized he was wrong and was being led astray by the Nation.
This I whole heartedly agree with. Malcom X's life is a lesson in human evolution, and a man who ultimately abandoned many of the things he believed in to achieve a higher goal. The reformed Malcom X, had he lived, may have become more well known than MLK. He didn't just want civil rights for African Americans, he wanted civil rights for everyone. Was he perfect at that point in his life? No. But he could have achieved a lot of good and maybe even continued his spiritual evolution. Like MLK he was cut short. Unfortunately, most people when thinking of Malcom X and only aware of his original ideology, and do not know he reformed himself later in life.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/02 00:45:58
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Karon wrote:
Joey, please direct your comment at something that makes sense. You quoted an entire section - I don't know what you are talking about.
The logical conclusion of blacks refusing to "negotiate with the whites" is a sovereign state for African-Americans, which would have to be within US territory, therefore the destruction of the United States.
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Ever thought 40k would be a lot better with bears?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/02 00:49:40
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LordofHats wrote:Karon wrote:Even if MLK is more important, Malcolm X should NOT be taught in a negative way in the schools. That is simply criminal. One major reason MLK is more popular and taught is because he was entirely nice to Whites during his movement. He was foolish in a large part.
I think that's a little unfair to MLK. The reason Malcolm wasn't as popular was because he was so hostile and aggressive with his beliefs early in his career. No body responds well to that behavior, anywhere. MLK embraced the same style of activism that made Ghandi a world wide legend, and I'd argue resparked world interest in Ghandi's non-violent form of protest and activism.
Malcolm X was, rightfully so, skeptical that MLK and his peace movement would work.
Nothing wrong with being skeptical but numerous example of the 20th century showed MLK's method to be very effective in achieving lasting change. When you approach the other side civilly and patiently, its much easier to win them over. Malcom's rhetoric alienated rather than endeared him to others and I'd argue in the political environment he was active in, his methods were never going work.
It really pains me to think how great of a man he could have been known to be if he wasn't assassinated in such an untimely fashion. Right after he had reached enlightenment and thrown away a lot of his misconceptions, he was willing to work with MLK and the peace movement. He realized he was wrong and was being led astray by the Nation.
This I whole heartedly agree with. Malcom X's life is a lesson in human evolution, and a man who ultimately abandoned many of the things he believed in to achieve a higher goal. The reformed Malcom X, had he lived, may have become more well known than MLK. He didn't just want civil rights for African Americans, he wanted civil rights for everyone. Was he perfect at that point in his life? No. But he could have achieved a lot of good and maybe even continued his spiritual evolution. Like MLK he was cut short. Unfortunately, most people when thinking of Malcom X and only aware of his original ideology, and do not know he reformed himself later in life.
I would agree with all that you said, LOH.
I do not live under the illusion that Malcolm X was perfect throughout his life, but I still see his misguided years under the Nation of Islam as nothing short of inspirational. He was led astray by the NOI, and that's where I see a lot of the misconception.
You are exactly right in your last paragraph, and it pains me greatly to think of it. Automatically Appended Next Post: Joey wrote:Karon wrote:
Joey, please direct your comment at something that makes sense. You quoted an entire section - I don't know what you are talking about.
The logical conclusion of blacks refusing to "negotiate with the whites" is a sovereign state for African-Americans, which would have to be within US territory, therefore the destruction of the United States.
Again, point out where in that quote you are talking about. Malcolm X never refused to negotiate with whites - he was rightfully skeptical that they would do anything to help them and had suggested several alternatives.
He had thought, in his early life, that a separate state would have been preferable, but that was when he was under the guidance of the NOI.
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In the belly of the whale.
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Did someone say controversial?
I wasn't permanently banned.
Yeah.
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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A lot of great men end up dying before their time. One of my favorites is Field Marshal Erwin Rommel. After World War II he could have done a lot of help his country. He was rash, arrogant, and maybe a little crazy, but Rommel had an integrity that is rare in human beings, and as a respected officer from the other side, could have been invaluable politically for post-War Germany.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/02 00:55:58
Subject: Re:I'm Bored... Tell me something interesting... ...or controversial.
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Savage Minotaur
Chicago
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Malcolm has been and is viewed as everything from an evil racist hate-monger to the champion of modern day militant pro-Black radicals. What he was, in reality, was a remarkably intelligent and charismatic leader who reflected the ills of the society around him, changed throughout his life, and gradually evolved from ignorance to anger to enlightenment.
The great tragedy is that Malcolm's rift with the Nation of Islam brought resulted in his early death, just at the time that he was realizing his true purpose. Commenting on his experience in Mecca, shortly before his assassination, Malcolm comments "I have never before seen sincere and true brotherhood practiced by all colors together, irrespective of their color." In this statement, and others, he acknowledges that his former view on race was merely a reflection of the American racism which surrounded him, and these are the views that he had internalized.
Martin Luther King is justly celebrated; he is an easy hero for white America to embrace. Malcolm X is more problematic, he has sharper edges, but is no less deserving of admiration and honor.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/02 00:58:54
Subject: I'm Bored... Tell me something interesting... ...or controversial.
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Hauptmann
In the belly of the whale.
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LordofHats wrote:A lot of great men end up dying before their time. One of my favorites is Field Marshal Erwin Rommel. After World War II he could have done a lot of help his country. He was rash, arrogant, and maybe a little crazy, but Rommel had an integrity that is rare in human beings, and as a respected officer from the other side, could have been invaluable politically for post-War Germany.
I read his book. Fantastic read. I highly recommend it. A remarkable man.
Malcom X was a black supremiscist(sp?), and IIRC was on drugs and killed his wife or something.
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kestril wrote:The game is only as fun as the people I play it with.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/02 01:00:38
Subject: I'm Bored... Tell me something interesting... ...or controversial.
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Servoarm Flailing Magos
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DeadlySquirrel wrote:LordofHats wrote:A lot of great men end up dying before their time. One of my favorites is Field Marshal Erwin Rommel. After World War II he could have done a lot of help his country. He was rash, arrogant, and maybe a little crazy, but Rommel had an integrity that is rare in human beings, and as a respected officer from the other side, could have been invaluable politically for post-War Germany.
I read his book. Fantastic read. I highly recommend it. A remarkable man.
Malcom X was a black supremiscist(sp?), and IIRC was on drugs and killed his wife or something.
Are you trolling? I can never tell with you.
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Ever thought 40k would be a lot better with bears?
Codex: Bears.
NOW WITH MR BIGGLES AND HIS AMAZING FLYING CONTRAPTION |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/03/02 01:01:25
Subject: I'm Bored... Tell me something interesting... ...or controversial.
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
USA
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He's a deadlysquirell. Stealth and mystery are his greatest weapons
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