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Truly they are blameless group of misanthropes that have never annoyed anyone, which is why even in the wild west aka 4chan, it got to the point where using a pony picture was a bannable offense because bronies were posting about MLP on every board whether it was appropriate or not, or trying to make any thread about MLP.

While that time has passed, it has done so only because there are now special rules in place just because of MLP fans. IF 4chan has to make special rules to tell people to stop being annoying, one may want to take notice that not all problems from the group are exterior.

daedalus wrote:It's like those classic "Should I do Nazi IG?" threads.

It is and it isn't. MLP imagery certainly doesn't have the same negative iconic resonance as Nazi imagery. But it is similar insofar as the MLP imagery does stand for something that a certain group of people do not like and, if I may be so bold to reassert as much, have good reasons not to like.

Remember wargaming is full of insecure neckbeards! So they take it out on other subcultures

but on another note, bronies make furries look bad

compare this



to this



now what do you like more?

Manchu wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:And then you're surprised you get said reaction?

I have to agree with this. Putting time and money into any army, at least as far as painting and conversion goes, is almost always an attempt to get some reaction and it's not always an attempt to get the same reaction from everyone. A MLP fan might look at an MLP-converted army and say "that is great" and a non-MLP fan could look at it and, with just as much validity, say "that is silly." If the person who converted the army comes back with "well, 40k is pretty darn silly, too" well -- fair play. But this idea of there being some special, protected group of "bronies" who are being unfairly persecuted and need to be accepted for who they really are ... that's a load of gak.

That's news to me. Most of the people I know who convert or paint their armies outside of norms do it for their own pleasure.
And for the record, I think when people ask for c&c they're asking about their skill on conversions and painting, not "Do you think my army looks kewl, lol?"

But that may just be my perspective.

daedalus wrote:

deathholydeath wrote:Nothing in the Dakka rules prohibits people from doing conversions that aren't canon. Nothing prohibits people from expressing themselves in any way they want that doesn't break the dakka rules.
If I want to convert my army to be furries, or ponies, or whatever the feth else, I'm going to do it. Then I can post my pictures on dakka and make a thread about it if I want to, and it won't be against the rules.
What is* against the rules is intolerant nerds coming in to threads and attacking people based on perceived deviance or abnormality.

If you stick your neck out in a public space obviously looking for criticism or feedback, then you shouldn't complain when you get said feedback, good or bad. It's like those classic "Should I do Nazi IG?" threads. The answer is "No/never/GTFO troll", or in this case, "I don't like it/this idea makes no sense/GTFO troll".

It's a forum. No one is forcing people to click on the MLP marines or Hello Kittycrons thread. It's not "in your face." Users actually have to make a conscious decision to click on the thread and then stick around to post their bigoted views. /rant

It is in your face though. It shows up in avatars and signatures all over the place.


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Doh, ninja'ed by Kan.

frankly meh. If its a furry thats done well (and I can actually see the pics) then I'll say its done well, or funny. If its sucks and I care, I'll say it sucks.
if people start weirding out, well I can ignore them, or tell them to grow up, or report them if they violate RUle #1 and let the Mods deal with it. Its their job. Its what they do. ITS ALL THEY DOOO!*


[size=7]*Note, other than Alpharius its not all they do. Post Sterno Intervention however, yes its pretty much all Alpharius does. Again, I know. I KNOW![/size]

Ahtman wrote:While that time has passed, it has done so only because there are now special rules in place just because of MLP fans.

This also happened on Dakka, FWIW. We relegated it all to one thread and eventually the MLP fans complied. We never enforced it with regard to P&M projects, however, because starting a P&M Blog is obviously the opposite of turning every other thread into a MLP thread.

Manchu wrote:

daedalus wrote:It's like those classic "Should I do Nazi IG?" threads.

It is and it isn't. MLP imagery certainly doesn't have the same negative iconic resonance as Nazi imagery. But it is similar insofar as the MLP imagery does stand for something that a certain group of people do not like and, if I may be so bold to reassert as much, have good reasons not to like.

Well, okay. That's fair. So it lacks the toxicity of the Nazi imagery, but I meant it in as so far as that you're asking a question that you apparently don't want to hear the answer for, and you probably already know it. Why are you doing it?

KhornePysker wrote:Remember wargaming is full of insecure neckbeards! So they take it out on other subcultures

but on another note, bronies make furries look bad

compare this



to this



now what do you like more?

See this is exactly what I was talking about in my first post, even furries will find reasons to hate other furries (not saying that bronies are furries, there is a furry-brony crossover though).

deathholydeath wrote:That's news to me. Most of the people I know who convert or paint their armies outside of norms do it for their own pleasure.

Perhaps it's an issue of confirmation bias but I never encountered someone who refused to show the army he spent a pile of time on to anyone else.


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daedalus wrote:

Manchu wrote:

daedalus wrote:It's like those classic "Should I do Nazi IG?" threads.

It is and it isn't. MLP imagery certainly doesn't have the same negative iconic resonance as Nazi imagery. But it is similar insofar as the MLP imagery does stand for something that a certain group of people do not like and, if I may be so bold to reassert as much, have good reasons not to like.

Well, okay. That's fair. So it lacks the toxicity of the Nazi imagery, but I meant it in as so far as that you're asking a question that you apparently don't want to hear the answer for, and you probably already know it. Why are you doing it?

Sorry, my post was attempting to agree with you while heading off the objection that liking MLP isn't the same as being a Nazi. I think you have a very good point here otherwise.

Manchu wrote:A MLP fan might look at an MLP-converted army and say "that is great" and a non-MLP fan could look at it and, with just as much validity, say "that is silly." If the person who converted the army comes back with "well, 40k is pretty darn silly, too" well -- fair play. But this idea of their being some special, protected group of "bronies" who are being unfairly persecuted and need to be accepted for who they really are ... that's a load of gak.

Who has actually pushed that idea though? We aren't talking about preventing people upsetting furries by saying "I think it's silly" when looking at their army. But a lot of criticism I've seen isn't about the modelling, it's quite personal, aggressive and directed at claims about sexual deviance and the like. It's just attacking furries/bronies, it's not even about the quality of the modelling. Why is that okay? It's quite simple, there are people who dislike things 'furry' don't want it near 'their' hobby, regardless of the actual nature of the discussion under way, or of qualities of the models, art or fluff being discussed.

Merely making a thread where you have some furry marines is not 'in your face'. And people complaining that some people have a MLP in their avatar? Get the feth over it. How is it any more 'in your face' than any other avatar?

As for rationalising away prejudice because furries elsewhere on the internet have a 'reputation', well that is just straight forward prejudice. Tarring everyone with the same brush.

Manchu wrote:

deathholydeath wrote:That's news to me. Most of the people I know who convert or paint their armies outside of norms do it for their own pleasure.

Perhaps it's an issue of confirmation bias but I never encountered someone who refused to show the army he spent a pile of time on to anyone else.

I never said they didn't show it off. I meant that their primary motivation was in doing it for themselves, and not out of some twisted desire to feel persecuted.

deathholydeath wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Corpsesarefun wrote:

deathholydeath wrote:Nothing in the Dakka rules prohibits people from doing conversions that aren't canon. Nothing prohibits people from expressing themselves in any way they want that doesn't break the dakka rules.

Precisely, I get the impression that a lot of the "Oh I have no problems with it but it should be in a specialist forum" is really code for "EW! FURRIES ARE ON MY DAKKA!".

I think you really need to get a new codebreaking book then.

It's code for "I have no problems with it, but I really think you're just doing it so you can whine about being unfairly targeted later".

Ah, yes. How could we forget that all furies and bronies are also masochists?

Ah, yes. It's the classic "I can't refute your statement, so I'll make a clever/snappy comeback and hope the person can't articulate an argument which would make me look bad".

There is a huge difference between someone who is genuinely new and excited to share their ideas, and someone who has actively participated in conversations/threads here on Dakka where it is well-known that certain ideas will garner a certain amount of flak.

Howard A Treesong wrote:As for rationalising away prejudice because furries elsewhere on the internet have a 'reputation', well that is just straight forward prejudice. Tarring everyone with the same brush.

First off, you can dismount the cross -- or take the "bronies" off of it anyway. No one is saying personal attacks against actual user will be okay on Dakka. Second, "bronies" self-select into a group based on one thing only: going out of one's way to appear to be a MLP fan to other people. That is the basis of both the identity and the disdain others have for it. People who are annoyed by the extreme, public fandom of MLP find "bronies" annoying. Sounds pretty damn reasonable to me. Calling something a "prejudice" isn't some kind of magic argument.

Kanluwen wrote:

deathholydeath wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Corpsesarefun wrote:

deathholydeath wrote:Nothing in the Dakka rules prohibits people from doing conversions that aren't canon. Nothing prohibits people from expressing themselves in any way they want that doesn't break the dakka rules.

Precisely, I get the impression that a lot of the "Oh I have no problems with it but it should be in a specialist forum" is really code for "EW! FURRIES ARE ON MY DAKKA!".

I think you really need to get a new codebreaking book then.

It's code for "I have no problems with it, but I really think you're just doing it so you can whine about being unfairly targeted later".

Ah, yes. How could we forget that all furies and bronies are also masochists?

Ah, yes. It's the classic "I can't refute your statement, so I'll make a clever/snappy comeback and hope the person can't articulate an argument which would make me look bad".

There is a huge difference between someone who is genuinely new and excited to share their ideas, and someone who has actively participated in conversations/threads here on Dakka where it is well-known that certain ideas will garner a certain amount of flak.

I can't refute your statement, but you can't prove it either.

Bronies well developed need to present themselves as martyrs for some great cause, and the constant need for validation is one of the reasons why threads like this lead to forums having to make special rules for them.

Howard A Treesong wrote:
Merely making a thread where you have some furry marines is not 'in your face'. And people complaining that some people have a MLP in their avatar? Get the feth over it. How is it any more 'in your face' than any other avatar?

The prior argument was that you could avoid it if you wanted. Regardless of if you find it in poor taste or not, you can't avoid seeing it if it's in avatars, or alternatively:

"And people complaining that some people complain that some people have a MLP in their avatar? Get the feth over it."

People on this forum complain about everything. If they can't get the emotional and useless bitching and moaning about GW/FW/BF/Finecast/GK/GK Players/color of the sky/prices out of the way, why try to curb the distaste for a fringe group of people who probably just do it for the attention?

As for rationalising away prejudice because furries elsewhere on the internet have a 'reputation', well that is just straight forward prejudice. Tarring everyone with the same brush.

"I didn't CHOOSE to be a brony. I was BORN THIS WAY!"

deathholydeath wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

deathholydeath wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Corpsesarefun wrote:

deathholydeath wrote:Nothing in the Dakka rules prohibits people from doing conversions that aren't canon. Nothing prohibits people from expressing themselves in any way they want that doesn't break the dakka rules.

Precisely, I get the impression that a lot of the "Oh I have no problems with it but it should be in a specialist forum" is really code for "EW! FURRIES ARE ON MY DAKKA!".

I think you really need to get a new codebreaking book then.

It's code for "I have no problems with it, but I really think you're just doing it so you can whine about being unfairly targeted later".

Ah, yes. How could we forget that all furies and bronies are also masochists?

Ah, yes. It's the classic "I can't refute your statement, so I'll make a clever/snappy comeback and hope the person can't articulate an argument which would make me look bad".

There is a huge difference between someone who is genuinely new and excited to share their ideas, and someone who has actively participated in conversations/threads here on Dakka where it is well-known that certain ideas will garner a certain amount of flak.

I can't refute your statement, but you can't prove it either.

So basically, you're just posting in here to post?

Gotcha.

Kanluwen wrote:

deathholydeath wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

deathholydeath wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Corpsesarefun wrote:

deathholydeath wrote:Nothing in the Dakka rules prohibits people from doing conversions that aren't canon. Nothing prohibits people from expressing themselves in any way they want that doesn't break the dakka rules.

Precisely, I get the impression that a lot of the "Oh I have no problems with it but it should be in a specialist forum" is really code for "EW! FURRIES ARE ON MY DAKKA!".

I think you really need to get a new codebreaking book then.

It's code for "I have no problems with it, but I really think you're just doing it so you can whine about being unfairly targeted later".

Ah, yes. How could we forget that all furies and bronies are also masochists?

Ah, yes. It's the classic "I can't refute your statement, so I'll make a clever/snappy comeback and hope the person can't articulate an argument which would make me look bad".

There is a huge difference between someone who is genuinely new and excited to share their ideas, and someone who has actively participated in conversations/threads here on Dakka where it is well-known that certain ideas will garner a certain amount of flak.

I can't refute your statement, but you can't prove it either.

So basically, you're just posting in here to post?

Gotcha.

Right back atcha' buddy. We can do the rhetoric dance all day if you like.

I smell the stench of derp...

Seriously. That quote pyramid is starting to make Rameses jealous.

Well, honestly this whole thread has sunk to the level of us just kind of sniveling at each other.

Should probably /thread now.

Slaanesh welcomes all into his/her fold.

Now we can /thread.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Slaanesh welcomes all into his/her folds.

Now we can /thread.

Fix'd.

Am I the only one that sees this as yet another (though extremely meta) brony/furry troll thread?

Are you calling me a troll and/or a furry? I'm neither.

Monster Rain wrote:Am I the only one that sees this as yet another (though extremely meta) brony/furry troll thread?

No sir, you are not.

Howard A Treesong wrote:Are you calling me a troll and/or a furry? I'm neither.

I dont think it started out as such, so no. I'm just commenting on what it seems to have become.

I never understood how intolerant wargamers can be sometimes.

I mean, playing pretend with little plastic soldiers doesn't promote your popularity in school or anything.

So why can't people just tolerate what each other likes ?_?

Its like... its like a 400lbs man making fun of a 500lb man for been over weight.. Its pretty bad.

Is the 400 pound man dressed as a furry?

Monster Rain wrote:Is the 400 pound man dressed as a furry?

OH good thing you responded.

I meant. its like a 400lbs man making fun of a 500lb man for been over weight.

Ahtman wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Am I the only one that sees this as yet another (though extremely meta) brony/furry troll thread?

No sir, you are not.

Yes but Ahtman, judging from your responses here and from the beginning of the MLP thread, you seem to consider the entire subject of furries and My Little Pony to be a troll subject, designed entirely to annoy other people.

So obviously us bronies have been trolling each other for 145 pages in our thread. That's pretty impressive guys!