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Not for the first time I've been left disappointed in the irrational hatred shown towards people who are simply different on Dakka in the last day. A closed thread elsewhere on the forum became very ugly, with people unashamedly expressing their hatred towards furries. Never mind that the topic was merely modelling furry marines, the chain of logic was to assume the people doing it were furries, they were modelling for some sexual purpose, and that it was an expression of sexual perversion.

"I think they [furries] are pedophile-esque creeps." writes one person, "furries and bronies both tend to be creepy and extremely nerdy" writes another. There are a few outright homophobes on Dakka, this disappoints me too but generally they are distinctly in the minority when comparing gay people to paedophiles and are usually quickly addressed. Yet the 'creepy' or 'sexual deviant' aspect was repeated many times on this one thread by quite a few people.

I don't even understand the furry hate. I really don't have an issue with it. But I'm sick of reading on a semi regular basis where people have 'issues' regarding sex and sexuality on Dakka instead of being open minded and tolerant. Is it Dakka, or is it the Warhammer crowd or gamers in general? Because I have considered Warhammer and 40K as Fantasy and SF, yet the various fandoms I have moved in with SF and fantasy are a *lot* more accepting and less judgemental. Is it Dakka? Well I don't regularly read many other gaming forums. Is it gamers? The D&D groups I've met are a lot better, where people of all sorts of unusual inclinations are very free and open. Is it Warhammer then? Because of the younger age group, and the simple fact is that there are a lot of younger more naive people who have simple prejudices based on very limited life experiences and whatever they've been taught at home?

Other people have 'issues' regarding any form of sexual expression, and this isn't just 'think of the kids', but that people should be doing certain things with their Warhammer models and that nudity in general is something vile. I think it reflects very poorly upon our hobby if these attitudes are representative of more than the tiniest minority. As I've described, the general sphere of SF and Fantasy fandoms are far more liberal and accepting than what seems to be reflected on Dakka and possibly wider Warhammer players. The furry hate in particular is frequent enough that it can go unaddressed, unlike say racism/homophobia, to the point where some people are very free and unashamed about expressing their hatred. People making such comments will probably not understand or 'accuse' me (as though there is any shame in it) of being a furry. My honest response would be that it doesn't interest me as such, but if a girl wanted to wear a tail and whiskers I probably wouldn't object.

But similarly there are threads where people pile on the hate about anything regarding nudity or sex. Off-Topic is a regular for this, why only the other week someone was proud of their contempt for strippers, because anyone taking their clothes off for money is worthy of disgust. Don't respect their individual circumstances or personal opinions. But if we're getting onto religious conservativism, there's a fairly unpleasant streak of that too running through some members. Never mind that it doesn't hurt you and isn't any of your business anyway. There's always the opportunity to get your hate on at people who do anything regarding sex that you don't approve of. Same with the furries, except that it's just seems more widespread. A disappointing and a poor reflection of our community IMO, especially in light of better communities that aren't so different from our own. I don't know why the acceptance and tolerance I've seen in fandoms elsewhere, is so lacking in a greater number of people here that those others.

If i had to give an incredibly simplified reason.
Warhammer/Wargaming already has a stigma associated with it. Anyone will find a reason to pick it aparat(AKA, SOme people think the Deamons in 40k make it demonic) But is it an accepted form of entertainment. But people feel uncomfortable that they share a hobby with freaks and people from the outside would use for a reason to break wargaming down more.
In essence people think "The furries and bronies are making us look bad"

If you're ashamed of DakkaDakka behavior regarding this subject, why are you creating another thread about this subject? It's going to end the exact same way as the last one (but it might be locked a few pages earlier).

On the point of nudity in armies I personally draw the line at Soul Grinders with massive phallic symbols strapped to the front. That's more because it's childish rather than that the nudity is offensive.

With regards to furries I have a friend who is quote open about his disdain (to put it lightly) for both bronies and furries. I have another friend who has admitted to both of us that he is really into the furry scene. The two are best friends. I honestly don't get it, it's like saying you hate gay stuff then slapping your friend on the arse.

I think apathy would be the majority's feelings on the matter, and apathetic people don't feel the need to comment on such matters. So you are left with those that are passionately for or against. For something as niche as furries you will not find that many who are for, and any form of sexual deviancy (it does deviate from the norm so the description is valid) will bring quite a few people against, for the reason you noted above, religious conservativism which does tend to preach intolerance.

Im going to ignore your misuse of the word homophobe in the second paragraph.

Did you ever consider people's feelings about the subject are not just restricted to the 40k world and that much of common society would feel the exact same way about the subject in similar proportions?

Seriously, DakkaDakka is not some kind of standard for the world. Also, making a thread about it certainly wont make it better.

LoneLictor wrote:If you're ashamed of DakkaDakka behavior regarding this subject, why are you creating another thread about this subject? It's going to end the exact same way as the last one (but it might be locked a few pages earlier).

He has the right to express his opinion before it does. And it doesn't have to, but probably will end in such a manner.

I think the hate stems from "______" being different. Insert whatever the rage is over in the "_".
Some people can't see outside of the box, or more specificly, outside of their box. Growing up in fly
over America, with LOTS of people who are so affraid of change they'd rather attack it then try to learn
to tolerate or accept it, was hard. Just because someone likes to dress up as a furry animal and get freaky
doesn't mean I'm going to suddenly start doing it. As long as what they're doing doesn't hurt me or my family,
go nuts!

Hell, I bet Frazz would jump on board if he could find a Weiner dog costume that fit....

alarmingrick wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:If you're ashamed of DakkaDakka behavior regarding this subject, why are you creating another thread about this subject? It's going to end the exact same way as the last one (but it might be locked a few pages earlier).

He has the right to express his opinion before it does.

And I have the right to express my opinion about this thread too. I'm not asking the mods to shut this down or tried to get him arrested for hate speech; I'm merely pointing out what's going to happen to this thread. Mr Treesong is just posting this because the flame war got locked, but he still wants to tell the people he disagrees with how horrible they are. If he wanted intelligent conversation, he would've posted this thread off the forum that he said is incapable of it.

Comes down to the hierarchy of nerds sadly, people feel that since some folk look down on them for their hobbies they should make up for it by looking down on others.

LoneLictor wrote:

alarmingrick wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:If you're ashamed of DakkaDakka behavior regarding this subject, why are you creating another thread about this subject? It's going to end the exact same way as the last one (but it might be locked a few pages earlier).

He has the right to express his opinion before it does.

And I have the right to express my opinion about this thread too. I'm not asking the mods to shut this down or tried to get him arrested for hate speech; I'm merely pointing out what's going to happen to this thread. Mr Treesong is just posting this because the flame war got locked, but he still wants to tell the people he disagrees with how horrible they are. If he wanted intelligent conversation, he would've posted this thread off the forum that he said is incapable of it.

I hope you didn't take what I said as me saying your opinion didn't matter! I was just expressing why I thought he created it. Please, feel however you would like!

Corpsesarefun wrote:Comes down to the hierarchy of nerds sadly, people feel that since some folk look down on them for their hobbies they should make up for it by looking down on others.

Pretty much this^

Furries are seen as a socially acceptable (even cool) group to hate.

Personally I think dressing in a furry suit is a bit silly, I imagine that after a few minutes of “activities” you would be sweating buckets and have BO like old gym socks. Also I don’t know how the heck you would wash one of those things. I can't imagine that you could take it to the dry cleaners.

But to each their own...

I don't really hate the "furry fandom", so much as I tend to ignore that they exist in the first place.

It's not my thing, and it's none of my business.

Darn, cant find the offending thread, Could do with a good laugh. Link Anyone?

People can do whatever they like with their Willies, Tuppences and Bums. I mean sure it's not 'Normal' as most people dont have the Gay gene or whatever but Gotta just leave them to it. I dont have those needs hardwired into my brain so i find it Odd and even Repulsive, I'm man enough to admit that.

Would i try and show them 'the error of their ways'? No. Thats Just being a Meddling Bumhole.

Perkustin wrote:Darn, cant find the offending thread, Could do with a good laugh. Link Anyone?

People can do whatever they like with their Willies, Tuppences and Bums. I mean sure it's not 'Normal' as most people dont have the Gay gene or whatever but Gotta just leave them to it. I dont have those needs hardwired into my brain so i find it Odd and even Repulsive, I'm man enough to admit that.

Would i try and show them 'the error of their ways'? No. Thats Just being a Meddling Bumhole.

There is a good chance it was deleted.

LoneLictor wrote:And I have the right to express my opinion about this thread too. I'm not asking the mods to shut this down or tried to get him arrested for hate speech; I'm merely pointing out what's going to happen to this thread. Mr Treesong is just posting this because the flame war got locked, but he still wants to tell the people he disagrees with how horrible they are. If he wanted intelligent conversation, he would've posted this thread off the forum that he said is incapable of it.

The thread was about MLP and furry miniatures, in which hatred of furries was expressed by some which derailed the original topic. While that thread and others have pushed me to write this one, this thread is about discussing that hatred and other forms of prejudice directed at various people for their orientations or fetishes, and comparisons to other fandoms that I've been involved with. It's not actually the same thread at all. If I've posted this off the forum, not only would it make any debate with members impossible, but likely I would have had criticism that I was just bashing Dakka elsewhere becaus I didn't want to bring it up here. I've not linked to the other thread, I've not named the source of the few quotes, because this is different and broader to that other thread, not a continuation of it.

Blacksails wrote:Im going to ignore your misuse of the word homophobe in the second paragraph.

No I used it correctly. There are a few people who are very aggressively anti-gay but they are quickly countered by others. In comparison, the furry-hate seems to be a little more free, was the point I was making. Neithe seem acceptable, they are both based in a pretty irrational disgust, on a matter that isn't anyone's business other than the people involved.

My only surprise in this thread is that Howard has been around as long as he has, and is surprised at people posting hateful things in the OT forum.

Monster Rain wrote: ......people posting hateful things in the OT forum.

When did that happen?

My issue with furries and bronies and the like is that I don't think this is the place for it.

Male, female, gay, straight, transsexual, etc: I could care less. But whatever it is, don't throw it in my face all the time. I don't post here about what I did with my wife last night. It would be nice to be afforded the same respect.

This is a wargaming forum primarily, and a gaming forum secondarily. It's not sex chat, it's not fetishland, it's not BME. There are other forums for that stuff. I'm sure there are bronie fan sites that would be more than happy to see an influx of members.

Why would you limit conversations like that though? Surely if the conversation obeys dakka rules (no flaming, pg-13 and whatnot) and it's in the correct section then what's wrong with it?

Also it is worth mentioning that mock-outrage that you/someone is getting negative attention is sort of of silly when the activity you are engaging in is intended to attract attention.

You can't expect 100% positive response to anything you do or say in this world under the best of circumstances.

As what you are doing or saying or presenting moves further and further from societal norms or the norms of a given subgoup or community the liklihood and frequency of negative reaction will also increase.

Bottom line: If you don't want attention then don't attract it, and if you insist then accept that it all wont be positive and deal with it.

Melissia wrote:I don't really hate the "furry fandom", so much as I tend to ignore that they exist in the first place.

It's not my thing, and it's none of my business.

I agree completely with this. Sure Ill poke fun at the bronies and furries, but when it comes down to it, it doesnt affect me in the least, and I really dont care how someone gets their jollies off. Its those very same reason I dont see what the big deal is with someone being gay or transgendered. It doesnt affect my life, or my families life or ANYTHING outside of me now knowing about it. And I can handle knowing about it

Redbeard wrote:My issue with furries and bronies and the like is that I don't think this is the place for it.

Male, female, gay, straight, transsexual, etc: I could care less. But whatever it is, don't throw it in my face all the time. I don't post here about what I did with my wife last night. It would be nice to be afforded the same respect.

This is a wargaming forum primarily, and a gaming forum secondarily. It's not sex chat, it's not fetishland, it's not BME. There are other forums for that stuff. I'm sure there are bronie fan sites that would be more than happy to see an influx of members.

And this is why I like Redbeard's posts.

It's fine and dandy to be proud of who you are; but this is a family friendly website intended primarily for wargaming.

Off-topic is where you would be able to discuss these kinds of things but at the same time...
What in the world is the point of bringing it up here on Dakka?

Well you gotta come off as a badass/hardcore type somehow dontcha? And real life isnt allowing that to happen

I'm pretty sure that posting about how you like to dress up in a fox costume and dance with another fox isn't going to make you come across as a badass/hardcore type.

No that wouldnt but bashing them and pretending to be a hardass does

hotsauceman1 wrote: (AKA, SOme people think the Deamons in 40k make it demonic)

It doesn't?

*Quickly hides the sheeps blood and the sacrificial dagger.*
*Ungags the virgin in the back, lets her run away*

Melissia wrote:I don't really hate the "furry fandom", so much as I tend to ignore that they exist in the first place.

It's not my thing, and it's none of my business.

Pretty much this, with a bit extra; I agree with redbeard, don't shove it in my face, but that's my choice in not clicking on the thread in the first place. If you have one thread for Furry Mini's, fine and dandy, I don't care. If there starts to be 20 Furry Pictures in a Non-Furry thread, we have a problem....

KingCracker wrote:No that wouldn't but bashing them and pretending to be a hardass does

Oh okay.

Honestly though?

I don't see why there's a perception that this is some widespread issue conspired by the majority of Dakka.

If you see something which looks as though it's inflammatory, even aimed at furries or bronies--then report it as such.
But do bear in mind that in some cases, you should also be reporting the bronies/furries for dragging a topic off course.

Youve been here long enough to know this thread is pretty much a yearly thread. X upsets me, I complain, others argue about it, we all hold hands in the end




And WTF happened to the font on the overall site?!? Everything is tiny all a sudden

KingCracker wrote:

And WTF happened to the font on the overall site?!? Everything is tiny all a sudden

hit Ctrl+0

I went to the Comic-Con about 12 years ago with a few pals of mine. There was a furry pannel/lecture one of the days and I was like, "Dude, we have to go check this out." My friends didn't really know what furries were. They had an idea because the anime kids were wearing the ears and tails. I think I had just seen an article in Vice about furry partys where they wear the full suits and rub on each other. So I told them about that and a couple of them went with me to check it out. Honestly I wanted to see if there were any hot furry girls hanging out.

We took our seats in a small room with a bunch of hairy overweight middle aged dudes. A lot of them were wearing random animal pelts, kind of like Spacewolves (no offence.) The guys on the panel were droning on about the state of furry fandom and comics. Then this guy in a full bunny suit walked in and sat down in front of us. I looked at my friends and one of them had a look of total absolute horror on his face. My other friend and myself just started laughing uncontrollably at our shocked friend. He got up and ran out of the room and we followed laughing.

Once we got out of the room we must have laughed for 15 minutes straight. The guy in the bunny costume was funny, but the shock experienced by our friend was what we were really laughing at. Some people are just creeped out by grown men in furry animal costumes. Who ever said the world is perfect?