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Dakka is a very childish community, as is wargaming in general. You shouldn't be surprised when it acts it's mental age.

Manchu wrote:

biccat wrote:Your post suggested that the hate didn't come from the thread, but came from "the rest of the internet." That is, furries are born hated/sinful.

What a bizarre reading of my post. Howard said that the bronies/furries were not "in your face" about their proclivities in the thread in question. (And, further, a bizarre equivocation: a larger pattern of behavior some how equates to being "born hated/sinful"?) My response was that the the thread itself was an example of being "in-your-face" because it is part of the larger phenomenon that I had already described. It is not at all the mere existence of the bronies on Dakka, or anywhere else, that constitutes the problem (and hence your strange comparison to original sin) but rather the mode of existence: a no less willful for being gleeful sort of colonization.

Either you don't understand analogies, or you don't understand the Christian concept of original sin. I'm going to assume the former, since you're somewhat outspoken on Christianity. But I'm not leaving out the latter, for obvious reasons.

Trying to insult me doesn't make your metaphor any less inappropriate.

Manchu wrote:Trying to insult me doesn't make your metaphor any less inappropriate.

I wasn't trying to insult you.

I made an offhand lighthearted comment. Then I had to explain it. You still don't get it. I'll know better in the future.

biccat wrote:You still don't get it.

No, it still doesn't make any sense.

This is Biccat. He makes no sense.

He can talk about logic, metaphors and analogies all he likes, I know a case of insanity when I see it, and insanity, I respect.

Squigsquasher wrote:This is Biccat. He makes no sense.

He can talk about logic, metaphors and analogies all he likes, I know a case of insanity when I see it, and insanity, I respect.

Yeaaah. I read Biccat's latest posts in this thread and they don't really make sense.

LoneLictor wrote:

Squigsquasher wrote:This is Biccat. He makes no sense.

He can talk about logic, metaphors and analogies all he likes, I know a case of insanity when I see it, and insanity, I respect.

Yeaaah. I read Biccat's latest posts in this thread and they don't really make sense.

I think he was pretty much saying that it doesn't matter what an individual furry on the internet does, he is hated simply because he is a furry.

He likened it to the Christian concept that all of mankind is born sinful, not out of any of these individuals actions but just because they are human.

Thank you. We need you around more.

Because if there is anything this discussion needs, it's for religion to be brought into it!

I'm going to make things even less likely to devolve into flamewars by stating that Obama is a furry.

A Town Called Malus wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:

Squigsquasher wrote:This is Biccat. He makes no sense.

He can talk about logic, metaphors and analogies all he likes, I know a case of insanity when I see it, and insanity, I respect.

Yeaaah. I read Biccat's latest posts in this thread and they don't really make sense.

I think he was pretty much saying that it doesn't matter what an individual furry on the internet does, he is hated simply because he is a furry.

He likened it to the Christian concept that all of mankind is born sinful, not out of any of these individuals actions but just because they are human.

yes, thats actually what he said. I'm shocked people didn't get that. It seems appropriate to post this as a refresher.

Corpsesarefun wrote:Because if there is anything this discussion needs, it's for religion to be brought into it!

I'm going to make things even less likely to devolve into flamewars by stating that Obama is a furry.

Obama is a furry, who is in a gay partnership with hitler, who is himself a brony.

There, definitely no flame wars going to happen now.

Corpsesarefun wrote:Because if there is anything this discussion needs, it's for religion to be brought into it!

I'm going to make things even less likely to devolve into flamewars by stating that Obama is a furry.

Obama is a Secret Foreign Muslim Furry Brony, and a Wood Elf player.

A Town Called Malus wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:Yeaaah. I read Biccat's latest posts in this thread and they don't really make sense.

I think he was pretty much saying that it doesn't matter what an individual furry on the internet does, he is hated simply because he is a furry.

Well, yes, that is part of what he posted. The part that doesn't make any sense is how what you just posted is comparable to what I originally posted, about how anti-furry sentiment is based on people's encounter with furies beyond a specific thread on Dakka.

Corpsesarefun wrote:I'm going to make things even less likely to devolve into flamewars by stating that Obama is a furry.

Not entirely untrue.

Frazzled wrote:I'm shocked people didn't get that.

So perhaps you could explain how it relates to what I said?

Frazzled wrote:

A Town Called Malus wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:

Squigsquasher wrote:This is Biccat. He makes no sense.

He can talk about logic, metaphors and analogies all he likes, I know a case of insanity when I see it, and insanity, I respect.

Yeaaah. I read Biccat's latest posts in this thread and they don't really make sense.

I think he was pretty much saying that it doesn't matter what an individual furry on the internet does, he is hated simply because he is a furry.

He likened it to the Christian concept that all of mankind is born sinful, not out of any of these individuals actions but just because they are human.

yes, thats actually what he said. I'm shocked people didn't get that. It seems appropriate to post this as a refresher.

It wasn't a particularly apt analogy and it implies a whole slew of moralistic and ideological concepts that the discussion didn't really need.

Manchu wrote:

Frazzled wrote:I'm shocked people didn't get that.

So perhaps you could explain how it relates to what I said?

I didn't read what you said. Since you pretty much called me worse than Al Qaeda I don't generally give your words the weight to read them.

I read what he said. What he said was clear. it was also a bit of dry humor I believe. Being around a lot of Brits I get it.


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Ahtman wrote:

Corpsesarefun wrote:Because if there is anything this discussion needs, it's for religion to be brought into it!

I'm going to make things even less likely to devolve into flamewars by stating that Obama is a furry.

Obama is a Secret Foreign Muslim Furry Brony, and a Wood Elf player.

Its always the Wood Elf players isn't it.

People use analogies related to their day to day lives ergo Biccat used a religious analogy and Frazz understood it. It was nothing like dry humour though.

Frazzled wrote:I'm shocked people didn't get that.

Manchu wrote:So perhaps you could explain how it relates to what I said?

Frazzled wrote:I didn't read what you said. [...] I read what he said. What he said was clear.

In order to "get" a comparison, you have to know what thing is being compared with what other thing.

As a reiteration, I think it's silly for furries/bronies to claim they are hated "just because" or "just because they are different." There is a larger pattern of behavior on the internet that underlies specific examples of behavior here on Dakka.

Tiina Brown wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:Thus a star wars conversion is typically seen as a form of reverence and mixing of two beloved things while a mlp conversion has far more potential to be construed as satire/mockery of what the community holds dear, especially when you are doing it I their house.

I would assume there are bronie/mlp message boards and forums out there? I imagine that you would get a far larger ratio of positive reaction to mlp-40k mixing in those communities than here. Context, setting and norms once again...

Is that logic that surprising or hard to follow?

Yeah ... so one thing is concidered reverence and the other one ridicule?
That is plain prejudice.
It's common though, so you are probably in very good company there.
But.
You should consider why they the are here, in this house.
Do you think they are here just to mess things up?
No, they are of course here because they enjoy Wargaming and/or miniature modelling as well.
Would you then say that this house is not for them?

Ah, i know, that "does it fit the rules?"
Do a Terminator with Cyclone missile launcher and Assault cannon fit the rules?
Do a Space Marine with Hand Flamer fit the rules?
Do a Space marine with Shuriken Catapult fit the rules?
No.
However, anyone with those would at worst get a reminder "you know you can't use those in officcial games, right?"
Also, from what i have read on other replies here, those who came with the negative posts went far further and even claimed that furries and bronies are pedophiles ...
Would even you say that that is proper course of conduct?
I don't think you would.

Tiia you need to reread what I have written.

I have purposely not commented on my own thoughts about furries or MLP, etc. Nor have I have I justified any particular behavior or attitude that is in reaction to them.

What I have done is explain why extreme reactions (both positive and negative) might happen given the nature and focus of this community and wargamers and also the behavioral tendencies of people in general and pointed out the part that people who exhibit behaviors in question play in eliciting those reactions.

The specific form these reactions to furries/bronies/etc take must all be evaluated individually by the mods, etc, on a case-by case basis, and usually are.

I still find it disengenuous to ignore the role the bronies themselves play in the reaccurance of conflict here on Dakka...

Nothing in the Dakka rules prohibits people from doing conversions that aren't canon. Nothing prohibits people from expressing themselves in any way they want that doesn't break the dakka rules.
If I want to convert my army to be furries, or ponies, or whatever the feth else, I'm going to do it. Then I can post my pictures on dakka and make a thread about it if I want to, and it won't be against the rules.
What is* against the rules is intolerant nerds coming in to threads and attacking people based on perceived deviance or abnormality. No one should be bitching about "family friendly" on a website devoted to a game where this is an acceptable form of expression (hint: it's a demon with a belt of skulls and his herald mutilating a human corpse and it's from an official sculpt) and where the heroes of the galaxy not only condone but actually engage in racism, ignorance, torture, and planetary genocide (just to name a few things) on a regular basis.
It's a forum. No one is forcing people to click on the MLP marines or Hello Kittycrons thread. It's not "in your face." Users actually have to make a conscious decision to click on the thread and then stick around to post their bigoted views. /rant

deathholydeath wrote:Nothing in the Dakka rules prohibits people from doing conversions that aren't canon. Nothing prohibits people from expressing themselves in any way they want that doesn't break the dakka rules.

Precisely, I get the impression that a lot of the "Oh I have no problems with it but it should be in a specialist forum" is really code for "EW! FURRIES ARE ON MY DAKKA!".

Really? People are bringing "bigotry" and "prejudice" into this?


Most of the time, when these "intolerant nerds" are posting in these threads--it's because the individual in question is posting it in such a manner that they want comments and criticism. Criticism presented in an acceptable manner can be any number of things, from "I think your idea is silly and I wouldn't play against it in a serious setting where a painting/conversion competition is also involved" to "I just don't see the value in going through with this".

What is not acceptable criticism is "Your idea is stupid because you like MLP, you freak!". If someone is posting that kind of commentary? Hit the "Alert Moderator" button and call it a day.

With that said:
Many times where these silly ideas are posted it is not in a thread by itself. It's in a thread about "Would you play against X, Y, or Z?" and people talk about it with the express purpose of creating the army to get a reaction like the one they get.

And then you're surprised you get said reaction?

Bronies aren't furries.

deathholydeath wrote:Nothing in the Dakka rules prohibits people from doing conversions that aren't canon. Nothing prohibits people from expressing themselves in any way they want that doesn't break the dakka rules.
If I want to convert my army to be furries, or ponies, or whatever the feth else, I'm going to do it. Then I can post my pictures on dakka and make a thread about it if I want to, and it won't be against the rules.
What is* against the rules is intolerant nerds coming in to threads and attacking people based on perceived deviance or abnormality. No one should be bitching about "family friendly" on a website devoted to a game where this is an acceptable form of expression (hint: it's a demon with a belt of skulls and his herald mutilating a human corpse and it's from an official sculpt) and where the heroes of the galaxy not only condone but actually engage in racism, ignorance, torture, and planetary genocide (just to name a few things) on a regular basis.
It's a forum. No one is forcing people to click on the MLP marines or Hello Kittycrons thread. It's not "in your face." Users actually have to make a conscious decision to click on the thread and then stick around to post their bigoted views. /rant

Unless its about cats, or squirrels of course. That is wrong and an abomination against the Great Wiener Dog.

Corpsesarefun wrote:

deathholydeath wrote:Nothing in the Dakka rules prohibits people from doing conversions that aren't canon. Nothing prohibits people from expressing themselves in any way they want that doesn't break the dakka rules.

Precisely, I get the impression that a lot of the "Oh I have no problems with it but it should be in a specialist forum" is really code for "EW! FURRIES ARE ON MY DAKKA!".

I think you really need to get a new codebreaking book then.

It's code for "I have no problems with it, but I really think you're just doing it so you can whine about being unfairly targeted later".

Kanluwen wrote:

Corpsesarefun wrote:

deathholydeath wrote:Nothing in the Dakka rules prohibits people from doing conversions that aren't canon. Nothing prohibits people from expressing themselves in any way they want that doesn't break the dakka rules.

Precisely, I get the impression that a lot of the "Oh I have no problems with it but it should be in a specialist forum" is really code for "EW! FURRIES ARE ON MY DAKKA!".

I think you really need to get a new codebreaking book then.

It's code for "I have no problems with it, but I really think you're just doing it so you can whine about being unfairly targeted later".

Ah, yes. How could we forget that all furies and bronies are also masochists?

Kanluwen wrote:And then you're surprised you get said reaction?

I have to agree with this. Putting time and money into any army, at least as far as painting and conversion goes, is almost always an attempt to get some reaction and it's not always an attempt to get the same reaction from everyone. A MLP fan might look at an MLP-converted army and say "that is great" and a non-MLP fan could look at it and, with just as much validity, say "that is silly." If the person who converted the army comes back with "well, 40k is pretty darn silly, too" well -- fair play. But this idea of there being some special, protected group of "bronies" who are being unfairly persecuted and need to be accepted for who they really are ... that's a load of gak.

deathholydeath wrote:Nothing in the Dakka rules prohibits people from doing conversions that aren't canon. Nothing prohibits people from expressing themselves in any way they want that doesn't break the dakka rules.
If I want to convert my army to be furries, or ponies, or whatever the feth else, I'm going to do it. Then I can post my pictures on dakka and make a thread about it if I want to, and it won't be against the rules.
What is* against the rules is intolerant nerds coming in to threads and attacking people based on perceived deviance or abnormality.

If you stick your neck out in a public space obviously looking for criticism or feedback, then you shouldn't complain when you get said feedback, good or bad. It's like those classic "Should I do Nazi IG?" threads. The answer is "No/never/GTFO troll", or in this case, "I don't like it/this idea makes no sense/GTFO troll".

It's a forum. No one is forcing people to click on the MLP marines or Hello Kittycrons thread. It's not "in your face." Users actually have to make a conscious decision to click on the thread and then stick around to post their bigoted views. /rant

It is in your face though. It shows up in avatars and signatures all over the place.


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