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Hey all, I really appreciate all the feedback, critical or otherwise.

First, I want to address the logo. I will never endorse the unauthorized use of unlicensed or owned content by Heatwave. When it came to my attention I had them re-evaluate all of the logo assets. Everyone involved should have known better. I've talked to all of them. There may be a few places where the old logo hasn't been replaced, but if you still notice something out of order, just let me know. I'm embarrassed and apologize. The Producer has already contacted and apologized to Reaper.

We've taken all the feedback in stride and have suspended the kickstarter until the team is further along with the project. I had them put a special thanks in the main video to DakkaDakka and PA for all the helpful feedback.

If you want to continue the discussion, happy to do it here, or join us over at www.miniswithenemies.com.

Thanks again.

I've got hugely mixed emotions about this.
One one hand, the thing only had a couple weeks left and hadn't been funded very much, so it wasn't looking good for it. On the other hand, this means (hopefully), when it comes back, it will come out roaring and hit like a ton of bricks!
SunSword, are you planning on sticking around the forums here to address anything that might pop up in this thread?

Eric

I think that it's great to see you address the logo issue in an upfront and honest manner. Kudos for that.

I also think ending the kickstarter and restarting it when the project has more to show will be better for the whole project to be honest. It'll be much more sellable and there'll be more interest because the project will be better-defined. The best kickstarters always seem to be the ones that are mostly done and need funding to overcome a hurdle like tooling, publication etc.

You know the weird thing that really turned me off this one is that on the first video, when the bearded guy (Binky I think?) is interviewing people, he has this massive set of headphones on. Like, are you even listening to those guys?

The whole thing stank. This isn't coming back.

This is why capitalism rules. Shoddy enterprises like this one (stealing images = shoddy/stealing images = lazy = shoddy - not to mention the general shoddy idea) crash and burn but can clutch on to some dignity by blaming the economy/big businesses.

If it was that easy to just tap into wargamers wallets, we'd all be millionaires on here.

Davylove21 wrote:The whole thing stank. This isn't coming back.

This is why capitalism rules. Shoddy enterprises like this one (stealing images = shoddy/stealing images = lazy = shoddy - not to mention the general shoddy idea) crash and burn but can clutch on to some dignity by blaming the economy/big businesses.

If it was that easy to just tap into wargamers wallets, we'd all be millionaires on here.

Regardless of what you think we did get a straightforward answer from Sun.

Now, I do want to see this when it is much more completed, a $300,000 KS was a bit of a leap but it is still good, these are "Kick Starters" meant to get you going or finished (depending on you opinion) trying to get the entire cost of the product so that you dont lose and only gain is quite selfish IMHO but that is the way of a major business. This is why all these small business succeed (and sometimes fail), they are willing to take some chances.

Just my 1 1/2 cents of an opinion.

Please keep Rule Number One in mind when you post. Thanks ~ Manchu

Thunderfrog wrote:While were at it, look at the one on the end.

Hey! That's actually one of Tre's sculpts that he did for Reaper. Tre' Manor - Red Box Miniatures who is also a Dakka member.

I see that this has now been cancelled. I had a look at the logo, and saw that the three picked out in this thread were (mostly) replaced. But it kinda made me think - it's like whack-a-mole. The others in the same original image were probably also all blacked-out Reaper (or others') figures - just not changed out because we hadn't identified them..

Read through this tragic thread and all I can say is..

URP!

Whats wrong with this is that it was 110% foggy from the get go. Your pitch was craptastic, the "Product" goal was overly excessive for what was either going to be or not going to be offered, and that the whole, after the fact reaper thing was pretty par for the course on how NOT to do a kickstarter.

I can see this for what it was, but its hard to see it crash and burn.

I for one would like ot see miniatures, not facsimile ones on a computer. If you want a computer game, pitch a computer game, and leave miniatures out of the discussion.

THIS one, was just... bad.

I'm not even going to comment on that logo issue.

matphat wrote:Am I looking at this completely wrong, or is this just a variation on Vassal 40K?

Is it all that surprising that someone might try to do a sexier vassal?

No no and no.

This wasn't vassal in the least.

This was an "original" IP that had it's own rules that you play turn by turn like words with friends.

The first problem they had was a misleading into video that tried to capture interest by showing Warmahordes and 40k that make people THINK it was like Vassal. They later clarified the game was it's own monster, and I liked where it was going.

The very obviously weren't prepared and it shows, all the way down to their logo having to borrow Reaper silhouttes in order to get their point across.

It was extremely flawed in it's presentation, but I liked the niche they were going for.

I think it would be neat to pick up my phone when it buzzes, move by wizard into a hallway, chuck a fireball, then end my turn and have a pal anywhere in the world do the same.

Neat idea, bad implementation.

Very smart move Sunsword,your idea is killer and there is a diamond in there as you already know,but nothing is worse than a rushed product.
I would also think about trying to do this on an Iphone/pad format,that is where the real money is these days.
I would so play this all day on my phone when the boss was not looking.
That Words with Friends guy is a multi-millionaire right now,and so can you.
Well at least a thousandaire