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There's going to be a ton of faqs/erratas when the new book comes out, so, I can expect changes to most of the older codices, like what the Black Templar/Dark Angels have gotten.

When 70-90% of that 400 page book contains no original artwork, fluff or anything that required any particular investment then $75 is too much.

And why do I want to get a big book full of stuff I have already seen that is a PITA to carry arround when I can wait for, hopefully, a much cheaper pocket sized version of the rules?

AustonT wrote:

DraconicGuardian wrote:Orkybenji - that is not a "book". Apparently it is the boxed set of psychic power cards.

I really don't like the idea of psychic cards. If I wanted to play a card game I'd play MTG or Pokemon. I'm hoping it really is just a book with psychic powers in it.

This is what I thought too

Kanluwen wrote:I'm not sure how Navigators could be incorporated into 6th.

Maybe you have to pass a Warp Travel test before you set up.

On the roll of a 6 your army gets lost on a warp tide and you have to play your game last week.

Edits: quotations and stuff

Well, navigators are Imperium only so....

Not really, Chaos and renegade vessels also use Navigators, they just don't use the Astronomicon as their guide.

This isn't really news at this point but here is a facebook update by my flgs.
"Alright peeps, you knew it was coming. 40K 6th edition will be available for sale on June 30th. You can reserve your copy starting today at either the Provo or Lehi location."

BrookM wrote:Not really, Chaos and renegade vessels also use Navigators, they just don't use the Astronomicon as their guide.

Ive always known this but it just brought about a question in my mind. If chaos people can get where they want to go without the astronomicon, then howcome the navigators of the imperium couldnt without it, because from what i have gathered, once the emperor dies everybody is supposed to freak out and not be able to go anywhere. Is it just because the dark gods guide the chaotic navigators, or is this a plot hole?

dajobe wrote:

BrookM wrote:Not really, Chaos and renegade vessels also use Navigators, they just don't use the Astronomicon as their guide.

Ive always known this but it just brought about a question in my mind. If chaos people can get where they want to go without the astronomicon, then howcome the navigators of the imperium couldnt without it, because from what i have gathered, once the emperor dies everybody is supposed to freak out and not be able to go anywhere. Is it just because the dark gods guide the chaotic navigators, or is this a plot hole?

Fallen Navigators use the warp for navigation, or let their selves be guided. They also use different landmarks in the Warp. Loyalists have the beacon shining from Terra, fallen Navigators might use the blight of the Eye of Terror as their point of reference.

Also, if the Emperor dies, that doesn't automatically mean that the Astronomicon fails, it has worked without him once.

Chaos can also use sorcerers, demons, and possessed marines to navigate the warp.

BrookM wrote:

dajobe wrote:

BrookM wrote:Not really, Chaos and renegade vessels also use Navigators, they just don't use the Astronomicon as their guide.

Ive always known this but it just brought about a question in my mind. If chaos people can get where they want to go without the astronomicon, then howcome the navigators of the imperium couldnt without it, because from what i have gathered, once the emperor dies everybody is supposed to freak out and not be able to go anywhere. Is it just because the dark gods guide the chaotic navigators, or is this a plot hole?

Fallen Navigators use the warp for navigation, or let their selves be guided. They also use different landmarks in the Warp. Loyalists have the beacon shining from Terra, fallen Navigators might use the blight of the Eye of Terror as their point of reference.

Also, if the Emperor dies, that doesn't automatically mean that the Astronomicon fails, it has worked without him once.

sweet, thanks

So... Should I arm Gandalf with a las or bolt pistol then?

Compel wrote:So... Should I arm Gandalf with a las or bolt pistol then?

Probably bolt, its worth the points, lol

dajobe wrote:

BrookM wrote:Not really, Chaos and renegade vessels also use Navigators, they just don't use the Astronomicon as their guide.

Ive always known this but it just brought about a question in my mind. If chaos people can get where they want to go without the astronomicon, then howcome the navigators of the imperium couldnt without it, because from what i have gathered, once the emperor dies everybody is supposed to freak out and not be able to go anywhere. Is it just because the dark gods guide the chaotic navigators, or is this a plot hole?

Chaos forces are also referenced in books as basically wandering. The Imperium's system of Navigators and the Astronomicon is relatively safe and stable (by comparison) to the navigation methods Chaos forces use.

It's not unreasonable that a Chaos ship might come out of orbit around a planet in the 'modern era' of 40k that hasn't been seen since the Heresy. If the occupants are lucky, it may have only been a few months for them. otherwise, could've been thousands of years of dealing with Daemons to survive.

Orks use similar methods.

Tau make short, manageable jumps. Slower, but much safer than many other methods.

Eldar and Dark Eldar have the Webway.

dajobe wrote:If chaos people can get where they want to go without the astronomicon, then howcome the navigators of the imperium couldnt without it,

Imagine you and I are both trying to get from one end of my house to the other in the dark. Which of us do you think will find that easier?

insaniak wrote:

dajobe wrote:If chaos people can get where they want to go without the astronomicon, then howcome the navigators of the imperium couldnt without it,

Imagine you and I are both trying to get from one end of my house to the other in the dark. Which of us do you think will find that easier?

QFT.

The forces of chaos live in and are one with the warp. This is why in many of the novels, especially Prospero Burns and A Thousand Sons, the warp is cleared by chaos for specific reasons that helps chaos.

That is a fantastic analogy insaniak, are you a teacher?

OverwatchCNC wrote:

insaniak wrote:

dajobe wrote:If chaos people can get where they want to go without the astronomicon, then howcome the navigators of the imperium couldnt without it,

Imagine you and I are both trying to get from one end of my house to the other in the dark. Which of us do you think will find that easier?

QFT.

The forces of chaos live in and are one with the warp. This is why in many of the novels, especially Prospero Burns and A Thousand Sons, the warp is cleared by chaos for specific reasons that helps chaos.

That is a fantastic analogy insaniak, are you a teacher?

that was a good analogy

Guys, we will be moving all 6th ed convos over to this thread -

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/456706.page

Kroot is pretty good about keeping the title up to date etc, so it will help us avoid duplicates... thanks for your understanding and by all means pick up where you left off!

Cheers guys -