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PhantomViper wrote:
AHAHAHAH You are a funny guy!

thank you, I try

PhantomViper wrote:
And I have news flash for you, the reason you, your friends, your familly and all your neighbours believe in the "supernatural" is exactly because their parents did. Logic and sound thinking didn't have anything to do with it!

Which totally explains why I know many, many people who have zero religious background and are converted to Christianity
As I said. I am not debating anything in a thread. If you really are curious send me a pm.

The Bringer wrote:
Which totally explains why I know many, many people who have zero religious background and are converted to Christianity

Christianity has been declining steadily amongst the population of developed western nations. Please define what constitutes "many, many people"?

Wow, that google sure does some wonders
http://www.pewforum.org/Christian/Global-Christianity-exec.aspx

Looks like today, there are about 2 BILLION Christians in the world currently. Thats JUST Christians, not Muslims or other 1 god type religions.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/01/27/2-2-billion-worlds-muslim-population-doubles/
That says theres 2.2 billion Muslims in the world.

Its estimated that today there is roughly 7 billion people in the world
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population

So more than HALF the world population are either Christian or Muslim. So whats your point again?

PhantomViper wrote:
Christianity has been declining steadily amongst the population of developed western nations. Please define what constitutes "many, many people"?

From people I know really well, about 4 (and I don't know that many people)
Who I am acquainted with, around 20

Also note that while it has declined in Europe, it has steadily risen in America

To a certain degree I guess?

Chongara wrote:I sure do. In fact I've actually been able to develop several unique means for studying them. I try to keep it on the down low of course, some folks aren't happy with that stuff getting around. I've got a couple of my old modified cameras lying around we call them "Spook Cams" just to be cute about it I guess. I'd be willing to sell you one or two of them if you like, as I've got newer ones now and those are just lying around. Ghosts are more common than you'd think really, just point and shoot in any random direction and you should get a good one after couple of nights.

If you're interested send me a PM, we should be able to work out a price. It's usually a few hundered bucks, but these ones are a tiny bit beat up.

What is that smell?

???

PhantomViper wrote:

The Bringer wrote:
Which totally explains why I know many, many people who have zero religious background and are converted to Christianity

Christianity has been declining steadily amongst the population of developed western nations. Please define what constitutes "many, many people"?

The massive amounts of Chinese and other eastern Asians that have converted??

ITs ok PhantomViper has been here a long time, with VERY little post count. Now since hes been troll fething our forums lately, Im assuming its because he finally was banned from some other forum site he had been spending his time at. I think Im just going to start ignoring this one as well.

KingCracker wrote:Wow, that google sure does some wonders
http://www.pewforum.org/Christian/Global-Christianity-exec.aspx

Looks like today, there are about 2 BILLION Christians in the world currently. Thats JUST Christians, not Muslims or other 1 god type religions.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/01/27/2-2-billion-worlds-muslim-population-doubles/
That says theres 2.2 billion Muslims in the world.

Its estimated that today there is roughly 7 billion people in the world
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population

So more than HALF the world population are either Christian or Muslim. So whats your point again?

First I advise to go out and learn to read, I said that Christianity was in decline (meaning that there are less Christians now than there were a few years ago) = less people converting.

And look, google even supports my point of view, imagine that:

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-03-09/living/us.religion.less.christian_1_american-religious-identification-survey-christian-nation-evangelical?_s=PM:LIVING

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_prac2.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States

Despite its status as the most widespread and influential religion in the US, Christianity has undergone a continuous relative decline in demographics. While the absolute number of Christians rose from 1990 to 2008 as the overall population increased, the actual percentage of Christians dropped from 86.2% to 76.0%.

Considering that the poster I was replying to was saying that he had personally witness "many, many" people converting to Christianity, when all the studies indicate the exact opposite, I was merely curious about it.

But hey, continue with the personal attacks, its very refreshing witnessing first hand all the kindness and open heartedness that you pious and religious people display in every day, Jesus would be really proud of you!

Friendly reminder to stay courteous and on-topic here, folks. Thanks!

AND if you read my first link, it shows the RISE in Christianity in America. Sooooooooooooo


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Considering that the poster I was replying to was saying that he had personally witness "many, many" people converting to Christianity, when all the studies indicate the exact opposite, I was merely curious about it.

So obviously personal experience is just thrown out then

KingCracker wrote:AND if you read my first link, it shows the RISE in Christianity in America. Sooooooooooooo

Actually, read you own link, it doesn't show any such thing. Taken from your link:

Although Christians make up a smaller portion of the 2010 population in the Americas (86%) than they did in 1910 (96%), the Americas account for a higher share of the world’s Christians (37%, up from 27% in 1910).

It shows the rise in population, the actual percentage of the population that is Christian has decreased.



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KingCracker wrote:

Considering that the poster I was replying to was saying that he had personally witness "many, many" people converting to Christianity, when all the studies indicate the exact opposite, I was merely curious about it.

So obviously personal experience is just thrown out then

Not thrown out, but it can be countered by other peoples personal experience, say mine: I was born in a Christian family, baptised and first communion and everything, as soon as I was old enough to decide for my own I stopped doing the whole religion thing. And like my case I have first hand experience of many, many others.

So whose anecdotal evidence is more relevant now?

I'd love to have a look at one of these magical cameras that can photograph ghosts, being a photographer and all....

I'm really interested in some of the crazy physics ideas about Multi-verse and natural forces bleeding over from one universe to the other. For example, Gravity is a weak force in our Universe, because the true force of Gravity is being bled off into someplace else? Then, there is the whole mystery of Dark matter and why it repels and over comes the natural force of Gravity, yet is a theoretically infinite supply. Where is that coming from?

That sends my imagination reeling about how things from the multi-verse can cross the barriers of physical time-space and how that could interact with supernatural forces.

I'm barely read on any of these subjects, but they are fascinating.

Grakmar wrote:I believe that things like ghosts and demons are real... in the sense that they exist in your neural pathways.

Demons do exist, they are called ex-girlfriends.

I do believe in Ghosts to a certain degree. That they are interesting to talk about but in reality they probably don't exist.

Easy E wrote:I'm really interested in some of the crazy physics ideas about Multi-verse and natural forces bleeding over from one universe to the other. For example, Gravity is a weak force in our Universe, because the true force of Gravity is being bled off into someplace else? Then, there is the whole mystery of Dark matter and why it repels and over comes the natural force of Gravity, yet is a theoretically infinite supply. Where is that coming from?

I've read about that kind of crap, and it is just non-sense. It is scientists trying to describe phenomena by stabbing into the dark, and then drawing conclusions from these hypothetical truths.

I would be really interested in seeing proof of the supernatural. But alas I do not think that I will ever see it, since the possibility of anything supernatural existing is fairly small.

Do ghosts exists? ask scooby doo!

but in all reality the chances of them existing are very slim.


This flow chart raises some great questions.

DeathReaper wrote:


This flow chart raises some great questions.

The flow chart messes up at the part where God is not loving if he doesn't prevent evil. That only works if you take a myopic view of a cynic. Why can't God allow evil as part of his Grande plan? Some of the best parts of humanity come about out of response to evil, whether that be natural evil(earthquakes..etc) or human evil(murder). Not to mention, that according to Christian belief the earth is cursed. People have studied the "problem of evil" for centuries. It's not a knew concept.

GG

generalgrog wrote:

DeathReaper wrote:


This flow chart raises some great questions.

The flow chart messes up at the part where God is not loving if he doesn't prevent evil. That only works if you take a myopic view of a cynic. Why can't God allow evil as part of his Grande plan? Some of the best parts of humanity come about out of response to evil, whether that be natural evil(earthquakes..etc) or human evil(murder). Not to mention, that according to Christian belief the earth is cursed. People have studied the "problem of evil" for centuries. It's not a knew concept.

GG

That entirely defeats the 'omnipotence' bit. ''Some of the best part of humanity'' shouldn't require murder, rape and torture to happen to be manifested.

Actually, you could say that being nice for the sake of being nice is a much better part of humanity than reacting to an horrible event. Everyone should be quite motivated by torture, murder and rape, after all...

People have studied the problem of evil for centuries, always coming back to the same innane : God works in mysterious ways... Those same people shouldn't be surprised once the educated populations stop listening to them...

The simple fact is that a child doesn't understand why a parent would allow a stranger to stab them with a sharp pointy object which hurts a lot. The child doesn't understand why mommy or daddy allows this pain to happen and could possibly interpret this action as being mean. But what the child fails to understand is that the stranger is a Doctor injecting them with medicine which in fact is designed to help them in the long run.

Not saying that this is Gods purpose in every respect but it does point to the issue of not understanding everything God... does all the time. If we could understand everything that God does then maybe we would become gods ourselves?

GG

Crap, I thought this was about Aliens...


Anyways I don't believe in the ghost stuff on TV. Total BS.

I do believe in ghosts, but I think they may be some sort of sub space entity or creature that is seen in-between different dimensions.

The Bringer wrote:

Easy E wrote:I'm really interested in some of the crazy physics ideas about Multi-verse and natural forces bleeding over from one universe to the other. For example, Gravity is a weak force in our Universe, because the true force of Gravity is being bled off into someplace else? Then, there is the whole mystery of Dark matter and why it repels and over comes the natural force of Gravity, yet is a theoretically infinite supply. Where is that coming from?

I've read about that kind of crap, and it is just non-sense. It is scientists trying to describe phenomena by stabbing into the dark, and then drawing conclusions from these hypothetical truths.

So ghosts and ghouls and daemons exist, but the thing that makes up 3 quarters of our galaxy (dark matter) or the thing that causes the acceleration of the expansion of our universe (dark energy) are crap and nonsense. Please tell me more about how much more you know of the physical world than physicists.

dæl wrote:

The Bringer wrote:

Easy E wrote:I'm really interested in some of the crazy physics ideas about Multi-verse and natural forces bleeding over from one universe to the other. For example, Gravity is a weak force in our Universe, because the true force of Gravity is being bled off into someplace else? Then, there is the whole mystery of Dark matter and why it repels and over comes the natural force of Gravity, yet is a theoretically infinite supply. Where is that coming from?

I've read about that kind of crap, and it is just non-sense. It is scientists trying to describe phenomena by stabbing into the dark, and then drawing conclusions from these hypothetical truths.

So ghosts and ghouls and daemons exist, but the thing that makes up 3 quarters of our galaxy (dark matter) or the thing that causes the acceleration of the expansion of our universe (dark energy) are crap and nonsense. Please tell me more about how much more you know of the physical world than physicists.

The whole dark matter and energy thing is still unproven and completely theoretical.

And isn't the expansion of the galaxies very gradually slowing down?

Nope, but it doesn't stop you from jumping from eerie sounds at night.

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
The whole dark matter and energy thing is still unproven and completely theoretical.

But we can see the effects of their behaviour, so therefore they (or something that produces the same effects) exist.

And isn't the expansion of the galaxies very gradually slowing down?

I think it may be speeding up.

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
The whole dark matter and energy thing is still unproven and completely theoretical.

While the existence of god, ghosts and demons is a proven fact...

Lord Scythican wrote:Crap, I thought this was about Aliens...


Anyways I don't believe in the ghost stuff on TV. Total BS.

I do believe in ghosts, but I think they may be some sort of sub space entity or creature that is seen in-between different dimensions.

Yea it was supposed to be about that stuff, but like always its either perverted into some political thing, or some religious thing

But I agree, the gak you see on TV is just for ratings, and thats it.

PhantomViper wrote:

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
The whole dark matter and energy thing is still unproven and completely theoretical.

While the existence of god, ghosts and demons is a proven fact...

once again failing to understand the whole point of faith,