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Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:

Apparently you missed the hundred billion galaxies each with a hundred billion stars bit. So yeah, the odds are pretty high when you think about it.

But the vast majority of stars don't have planets,
the majority of planets don't have an atmosphere or are gas giants
Very few stars are similar in size to our sun, the majority being much larger


All these and lots of other factors massively reduce the odds

And actually, most stars have at least one planet.

KingCracker wrote:More like keys in a pocket. You have the keys in your hand, and they are fine. You place them in a pocket and magically they are a knotted feth ball that you cannot imagine how to untangle METAL KEYS

^this by 100000000000.


I have four keys and a metal wolf head on my keyring. They all seem to find a way to get stuck in the key ring loop thingy.

At the same time.

Iur_tae_mont wrote:

KingCracker wrote:More like keys in a pocket. You have the keys in your hand, and they are fine. You place them in a pocket and magically they are a knotted feth ball that you cannot imagine how to untangle METAL KEYS

^this by 100000000000.


I have four keys and a metal wolf head on my keyring. They all seem to find a way to get stuck in the key ring loop thingy.

At the same time.

That is clearly the work of Satan, your key ring is possessed and you need to contact the nearest priest ASAP so that an exorcism is performed!

Iur_tae_mont wrote:

KingCracker wrote:More like keys in a pocket. You have the keys in your hand, and they are fine. You place them in a pocket and magically they are a knotted feth ball that you cannot imagine how to untangle METAL KEYS

^this by 100000000000.


I have four keys and a metal wolf head on my keyring. They all seem to find a way to get stuck in the key ring loop thingy.

At the same time.

I know man, I know, how do magnets work? feth that noise, how do keys do THAT?!?! Thats what I want to know. We have 7 keys on 1 ring. Mostly house keys, so they are big fat ol keys that to me, cant fit in the key ring. But feth me sideways, they will get knotted up and I have to repeatedly throw them at the pavement to get them unstuck.

PhantomViper wrote:

kronk wrote:Carl Sagan used to use that term all of the time. Also, it's in a Crosby, Stills, and Nash song! I hear it quite a bit on the science/space/nature programs on the History Channel, Discovery Channel, and Science Channel.

It's probably an American/United Kingdom phrase you hadn't been exposed to.

Yeah, I read Sagan, but always in the Portuguese translation and never in the original English so it really is just a case of never having been exposed to the term before.




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timetowaste85 wrote:

Sure-I sent him a text asking for it. It's 2am here though and he has work at 6-I wouldn't expect an answer til his first break. Is that an honest 'nice' or a snide 'nice'? Hard to tell online. Honest gets a pleasant 'sure'. Snide gets narrowed eyes.

This time its an honest "nice".

I don't really believe in any supernatural occurrences, but I still find them really interesting and nothing really beats a good "horror" story.

Still waiting on a response from him. I'm doing this from my phone though, as my regular Internet cut out-PM me your email or cell number and I'll mail the photo to you. Can't really attach it to Dakka by phone when it finally comes in.

Yes, Bringer, I tend to lump night terrors and old hag into the same unexplained sleep disturbance category. While they are two seperate things they seem to share several symptoms.
Try eating some chocolate about 30 minutes before bedtime for more crazy dream fun. Warning, may cause nightmares.

snurl wrote:Yes, Bringer, I tend to lump night terrors and old hag into the same unexplained sleep disturbance category. While they are two seperate things they seem to share several symptoms.
Try eating some chocolate about 30 minutes before bedtime for more crazy dream fun. Warning, may cause nightmares.

Almost everybody in my family has really weird dreams if we eat pizza before going to bed

I haven't had night-mares for over ten years... I will try this chocolate

The Bringer wrote:

generalgrog wrote:
Trying to post from iPhone..so sorry for short response but according to Christian belief a fallen angel is by default a demon. Satan fell to earth with 1/3 of the angels(don't remember exact text right now). So Satan and 1/3 of the angels being all fallen angels are considered demons.
GG

Yes, demons are simply fallen angels according to the Bible.

I believe in Demons/Angels/God.

I myself believe that Demons do torment people in various ways. I have heard first-hand accounts of odd events happening to someone they attribute to ghosts, but I would attribute to demons.

When I was younger I had something called night-terrors which is like a night-mare, but far worse. You are awake, but your view of reality is incredibly twisted and you are scared to death of everything. This happened to me when I was 5-10 years old. I genuinely believe that it was caused by demons tormenting me. It has happened to me and another person I know and it has ended (for both of us) when we prayed about it continually.

Sure your "night terrors" weren't just something like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis



Also on the whole supernatural subject, I know a guy who used to do a lot of cave diving around Mexico, and he said wierd stuff would happen on occasion, like he would think he saw shadows in dark corners and stuff. I'd attribute it to the fact that cenotes are very strange places, and they cause your imagination to run a bit wild (I've just been snorkeling in one, and it is pretty amazing), but the Mayans did drop quite a few corpses down there.

-Have yet to see any evidence that ghosts & daemons do exist
-There is neither evidence to prove or disprove God, but personally I'm a lite atheist or strong agnostic
-Aliens statistically exist somewhere in the universe, but we have never had any contact with them and vice versa.

Harriticus wrote:-Have yet to see any evidence that ghosts & daemons don't exist

It is not possible to prove something doesn't exist until you have mapped the entire cosmos, I have never seen proof that Santa doesn't exist.

I meant do exist. Typo...

Harriticus wrote:I meant do exist. Typo...

No worries.

EDIT: Will you look at that, I've travelled from Poland to England in under 10 minutes.

There has not been one piece of well documented, peer reviewed, flawless evidence for any supernatural occurence in the history of mankind, in all of science. Not one. Personal accounts aren't valid. "I saw a ghost today" there, that doesn't prove anything whatsoever. Anything merely said from eye-witness accounts is simply not good enough. Many people don't fully understand the way the brain works (neither do I for that), it can make you think you've seen things which in reality were not there. The brain is fantastic at creating sense out of nonsense. If a pattern on a wall, in the clouds or a wisp of smoke looks like a face for example, your brain recognises it, and tells you "hey look at that face". Your rational thoughts say that it shouldn't be there, you get spooked. Simple as that.

As scientists we can only accept repeatable proven results that something exists, take the example of the LHC scientist's claims that the speed of light was broken, peer reviewed, didn't get the same result, therefore not accepted.

If someone comes along and is able to prove on the spot, at will that ghosts for example exist, and it can be repeated by anyone, then fine. That has never happened for any supernatural or religous claim. Until it does it is perfectly reasonable to completely dismiss them.

As far as aliens are concerned, it is extremely arrogant to think that in the scale of the known universe, our insignificant planet is the only place where (seamingly) intelligent life has formed. Even if the odds are one in 10 billion, the fact that there are untold billions of galaxies, each with perhaps trillions of stars in them, and each of these stars having the potential for at least one planet orbiting them in many cases, and that the universe has been around for at least 13 billion years, that still would mean that life has formed billions of times in the universe at a bare minimum over its history, whether it evolved into an intelligent form each time or not. The Earth is completely insignificant in the (admittedly very) grand scale of things (Carl Sagan's Pale Blue Dot is a wonderful way of viewing this). The time present in a cosmological or even geological sense are simply too vast for us to comprehend. The distances in space are similarly vast, therefore putting it very much against the odds that we will ever make contact.

Time for a cup of tea...

dæl wrote:

Harriticus wrote:I meant do exist. Typo...

No worries.

EDIT: Will you look at that, I've travelled from Poland to England in under 10 minutes.

Please share with us how you travel so fast

KingCracker wrote:

dæl wrote:

Harriticus wrote:I meant do exist. Typo...

No worries.

EDIT: Will you look at that, I've travelled from Poland to England in under 10 minutes.

Please share with us how you travel so fast

It's either my UFO, or the fact that every time I turn Opera Turbo on Dakka thinks I'm in Poland.

Edit: see ^

You did it again! Your a fething wizard!


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Once DAKKA thought I was from Korea some how. That was kindda cool

You did it again! Your a fething wizard!

I rolled on the psyker table and got Pan-European Relocation, would have preferred to be firing Lightning out my hands but there you go.


Did Dakka think you were in North Korea or South Korea? Are they even allowed forums in the North? If so, does Dakka have the flag in their database?

Redbristles, with all due respect, paranormal events are not something you can turn on or off with the flick of a switch.
That being said, I bet I know of a place where you may change your mind should you attempt to stay the night there.

GalacticDefender wrote:
Sure your "night terrors" weren't just something like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

night terrors and sleep paralysis, or old hag syndrome, are two completely different things.


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redbristles wrote:
If someone comes along and is able to prove on the spot, at will that ghosts for example exist, and it can be repeated by anyone, then fine. That has never happened for any supernatural or religous claim. Until it does it is perfectly reasonable to completely dismiss them.

Time for a cup of tea...

You're funny.

Prove that gravity is real.
Prove that your senses show you what is really happening.
Prove that your mind isn't just making stuff up and making you believe it.

Nothing can be proved if you really want to pull that card out bro.

Yo, if there wasn't a shred of evidence for any religion, there would be far fewer Christians in this world. All my friends, all my family, all my neighbors didn't decide to start believing in the supernatural because their parents did. They had reasons based on logic, sound thinking, and history. You choose to only trust what you can see and touch and understand and "prove." That's fine by me.

The Bringer wrote:

redbristles wrote:
If someone comes along and is able to prove on the spot, at will that ghosts for example exist, and it can be repeated by anyone, then fine. That has never happened for any supernatural or religous claim. Until it does it is perfectly reasonable to completely dismiss them.

Time for a cup of tea...

You're funny.

Prove that gravity is real.
Prove that your senses show you what is really happening.
Prove that your mind isn't just making stuff up and making you believe it.

Nothing can be proved if you really want to pull that card out bro.

Yo, if there wasn't a shred of evidence for any religion, there would be far fewer Christians in this world. All my friends, all my family, all my neighbors didn't decide to start believing in the supernatural because their parents did. They had reasons based on logic, sound thinking, and history. You choose to only trust what you can see and touch and understand and "prove." That's fine by me.

Prove that gravity is real? Well take an apple...
Your senses don't show the full extent of what is happening.

There is no evidence for supernatural happenings or religion, there never was. If you think that such things are based on logic and sound thinking please provide an example. I could do with a laugh.

dæl wrote:
Prove that gravity is real? Well take an apple...
Your senses don't show the full extent of what is happening.

Yes, but how can you prove that everything you are perceiving through your senses isn't some random series of events programmed into your dna.

dæl wrote:
There is no evidence for supernatural happenings or religion, there never was. If you think that such things are based on logic and sound thinking please provide an example. I could do with a laugh.

If you really are curious then pm me. Sorry, you won't get a laugh.

dæl wrote:

The Bringer wrote:

redbristles wrote:
If someone comes along and is able to prove on the spot, at will that ghosts for example exist, and it can be repeated by anyone, then fine. That has never happened for any supernatural or religous claim. Until it does it is perfectly reasonable to completely dismiss them.

Time for a cup of tea...

You're funny.

Prove that gravity is real.
Prove that your senses show you what is really happening.
Prove that your mind isn't just making stuff up and making you believe it.

Nothing can be proved if you really want to pull that card out bro.

Yo, if there wasn't a shred of evidence for any religion, there would be far fewer Christians in this world. All my friends, all my family, all my neighbors didn't decide to start believing in the supernatural because their parents did. They had reasons based on logic, sound thinking, and history. You choose to only trust what you can see and touch and understand and "prove." That's fine by me.

Prove that gravity is real? Well take an apple...
Your senses don't show the full extent of what is happening.

There is no evidence for supernatural happenings or religion, there never was. If you think that such things are based on logic and sound thinking please provide an example. I could do with a laugh.

Exactly. No evidence. Anywhere. Ever.

If anyone on here would like to provide some that stands up to scrutinism then by all means do.

We're not talking about ridiculous philosophical ramblings like "is reality a simulation? Prove it's not" and all that business.

The Bringer wrote:

dæl wrote:
Prove that gravity is real? Well take an apple...
Your senses don't show the full extent of what is happening.

Yes, but how can you prove that everything you are perceiving through your senses isn't some random series of events programmed into your dna.

dæl wrote:
There is no evidence for supernatural happenings or religion, there never was. If you think that such things are based on logic and sound thinking please provide an example. I could do with a laugh.

If you really are curious then pm me. Sorry, you won't get a laugh.

Can you please post your story in the thread so others can see it? Instead of via PM?


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snurl wrote:Redbristles, with all due respect, paranormal events are not something you can turn on or off with the flick of a switch.
That being said, I bet I know of a place where you may change your mind should you attempt to stay the night there.

That's very convenient, leaving us with just eye witness accounts. I've deliberately stayed in several "haunted" places just to try and see if anything happened. Nothing did that couldn't be explained wither as a natural event or a trick of the eyes/mind.

All complete nonsense.

I'm curious.. If you believe in God and heaven and walking on water, are you more or less likely to believe in spiritual gak as well?

I genuinely can't find the answer! If you do believe in things that seem magical and unexplained then you must be more likely right?

But then you see clerics and such kicking off about the belief in witches and harry Potter and such..

So feth knows!

The Bringer wrote:
Prove that gravity is real.
Prove that your senses show you what is really happening.
Prove that your mind isn't just making stuff up and making you believe it.

Nothing can be proved if you really want to pull that card out bro.

Yo, if there wasn't a shred of evidence for any religion, there would be far fewer Christians in this world. All my friends, all my family, all my neighbors didn't decide to start believing in the supernatural because their parents did. They had reasons based on logic, sound thinking, and history. You choose to only trust what you can see and touch and understand and "prove." That's fine by me.

AHAHAHAH You are a funny guy!

And I have news flash for you, the reason you, your friends, your familly and all your neighbours believe in the "supernatural" is exactly because their parents did. Logic and sound thinking didn't have anything to do with it!

Here we go......


GG

Honestly I'm surprised it took four pages and didn't start back on page two.

Inevitable really, if you count religion as supernatural too

generalgrog wrote:Here we go......


GG

Ah nice one GG is here..

That means I can ask one!

Do you believe in magic and ghosts GG?

And what do you mean by "here we go" its a serious question, are you less or more likely to believe in spirits than someone who is agnostic?

And furthermore, why the hell shouldn't people ask? I'm sick of you lot playing the hurt feelings card and refusing to answer questions. As soon as anyone asks you anything its all "Oooh look.. "bashing" Religion"

Give me a break. One rule for all, fairs fair and all that.

I'm sure you are more than happy to rip the piss out of Scientology, why are they allowed to be questioned and Christians are immune to questions?

I find it even funnier when Christians rip the piss out of Mormons.

"Oh yeah, virgin births and living inside a whale.... everyone knows that can happen... but magic underpants!? Mormons are crazy!"

The Bringer wrote:
You're funny.

Prove that gravity is real.
Prove that your senses show you what is really happening.
Prove that your mind isn't just making stuff up and making you believe it.

Nothing can be proved if you really want to pull that card out bro.

Yo, if there wasn't a shred of evidence for any religion, there would be far fewer Christians in this world. All my friends, all my family, all my neighbors didn't decide to start believing in the supernatural because their parents did. They had reasons based on logic, sound thinking, and history. You choose to only trust what you can see and touch and understand and "prove." That's fine by me.

This image seems entirely relevant to your argument...
Incidentally that's a great webcomic, not updated a lot but really great.

I used to not believe in ghosts and stuff like that, but I've seen a couple of things that I really, genuinely cannot explain, and it does make me wonder.

Also, how is the sience vs religion argument valid. Take it somewhere else.