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**pretre**

Mynameisalie wrote:This universe is a universe in it's own. The only thing that needs to be kept in line with the 40k universe is the army list. As long as that's balanced, then I can assign almost ANY background to the race I want/would like to.

You can do that, but then you have little chance of acceptance of your idea. Again, you can do anything you want, but it doesn't mean others will like it.

**Mynameisalie**

DemetriDominov wrote:Alright, seriously to the OP, this is how you're going to get any headway into the laybrinth that is the stubbornness of GW. (honestly, if you think that the fans of GW are bad when it comes to CC, imagine how bad GW will be when they stonewall your brilliant idea and completely ignore your igdignant cries of frustrated rage.) As one who has now spent the better part of two and a half years attempting to get my triology published by the BL, I can tell you from personal experience, when it comes to ideas and stories they don't agree with, their silence is deafening.

I love your idea of cursed feline pysker xenos, that aside, you need, and I emphasize the NEED, to change a few things:

- Xenos allying with the IoM.

No. Abolish this idea, you are fighting an uphill battle with sand and molasses, fire and brimstone.

Why:

To my knowledge, it only rarely happens even with the most lenient of those within the Imperium, under the most apocalyptic of settings, not on a regular widespread basis. Furthermore:

- Dark curse of the Chaos Gods:

Xenos. Pyskers. Damned, but not evil. And you expect the most brutal human regime known in existence to be tolerant of these beings? The first three idea's are great, they flesh out the image of a magestic yet terrifying race. Not sure if this is how you imagined them, but the picture I am imagining of these creatures are a cross between noble Lion warriors from Magic the Gathering: , and in their cursed form the Vizzerdrix (minus the bunny ears): .
Yet, naturally, these attributes of Xeno, Pysker, and Cursed should fit into an Inquisitor's head like so: Xenos + Pyskers + Cursed = Damned.... <--- Priority Level Alpharius ---> Kill with Fire every chance we have. What makes them even more appealing to me is that unlike the cliche of Eldar, the Lynx have the chance of being one of the greatest loner Xenos out there, because they have the potential of not being an Anti-Eldar (that'd probably be Necron's or Tyrannids), but because they are simply vastly different than what exists in the lore, and can fill an entirely fan directed roll, like stubbornly trying to fight their way into the ranks of the IoM like the mutant Ephialtes from the movie 300 trying desperately to be the 301st spartan to die against Xerxes Persian army.

- You want them to be super heavy elites, capable of matching the might of Space Marines, why not have them challenge it? The IoM is filled with plenty of superheavy troops, allow the lynx to be awesome on their own, the IoM doesn't need them, and the Lynx don't need the IoM.

Just remember, "whatever happens... you will not be missed," I applaud your enthusiasm to add to the 25 years of GW's universe of 40k, power to you, but if you react stubbornly to CC after asking for it, remember, GW will not miss you.

I like the image, but not close enough resemblance. Not as muscular; they have muscle density, not mass. It's like fitting a space marine's muscle into a humans arm. Seriously, this is anatomically possible. And the teeth are a tad bit smaller. But other than that, love the image.

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pretre wrote:
Mynameisalie wrote:This universe is a universe in it's own. The only thing that needs to be kept in line with the 40k universe is the army list. As long as that's balanced, then I can assign almost ANY background to the race I want/would like to.

Again, you can do anything you want, but it doesn't mean others will like it.

Exactly. You just said I can do almost anything I want. That is the point. Seriously, you guys can make a codex with any background you want, with minimal problems with the current 40k universe. Think about it. This is why I love 40k: It's so flexible!

**liquidjoshi**

Mynameisalie wrote:This universe is a universe in it's own.
Not a good idea. Bet I can see where this is going...
The only thing that needs to be kept in line with the 40k universe is the army list.
Did... did you seriously just say that? So, by your logic, I can say Marneus Calgar created a new race from Crazy Bones and Pokemon cards using stolen necron tech, then threw them into another universe, where they evolved at stupidly incredible rates, then came back to kill their former owner. Riiiiiiight...
As long as that's balanced, then I can assign almost ANY background to the race I want/would like to. The entire 40k universe is flexible enough to allow anyone who wants to make a new race to assign fluff to their new race without breaking any rules. And did anyone read the part where the Emperor doesn't mind xenos as long as they are peaceful and intelligent in the rulebook? The primarchs are another example of this. They don't mind xenos either, as long as they do not mean harm to the Imperium. Lolwut? either I'm really, REALLY wrong in my interpretation of the fluff, or you're making things up. A little race called the Interrex would dispute that with you too. Humans that didn't accept the Emperor in the years before the Horus heresy. Horus, although saddened at this, knew what he must do: Somehow, I think the Emperor and Primarchs would react similarly to the cat people.
Besides, I could easily dodge this by giving the Lynx secret friends in high places (eg: the Lord Macragge (not sure how to spell it)) who will "persuade" the Imperium to overlook the Lynx, whilst not revealing the tie between the Chapter and the Lynx.
My Pokebones would eat your cat people for dinner. Seriously, no. Just no. Stop, please. I'm begging you.
Seriously, this 40k universe is so flexible that ANY of you could write up ANY race of your making and it could be believeable. You're restricting yourselves. Broaden your mind to the opportunities the 40k universe offers.
Yes, you can make any race. Make it believeable? Well, you're more than starting to push that one. This really isn't that believable.
But it is kind of a shame I couldn't get it in before 6th ed.

Now, I've not read the 6th rulebook, but from what I understand, not much has changed since 5th. Therefore, I think my comments are valid in either case. But I will offer some more constructive criticsm: If you've rushed this up here because you wanted something to say, stop development here and give it a lot of serious thought, then come back and show us. Be original, and tone them down. The Psychic gig is already taken, as is the dying race and ultimate badasses areas (Eldar and Grey Knights respectively).

And someone, please clarify (as I have been know to get things badly wrong before) were the Primarchs and Emperor hostile to Xenos, regardless of how peaceful they were, or am I completely wrong and Emperor was cool with them?

Oh, and one final note: Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do it.

**Mynameisalie**

What I said before is true. You are twisting it to an unbelievable level. I know I said that anything is legitimate, but use ur common sense. What I said is true but no-one wants to accept it. That's how I work. I think outside of the box, not confine myself to trying to put someone down cause they're right. I am being deadly serious in all I said in my previous post. Think outside the box and you will see what I mean. Just take me seriously and not make disparaging comments whilst warping what i actually meant.
And Pokebones? That is what I meant by twisting to an unbelievable level.
And there are quite a lot of things you can do which you should do. If you disagree with this codex, fine by me. And no more CC, please. This is what I'm getting in place of CC.

**liquidjoshi**

Mynameisalie wrote:What I said before is true. You are twisting it to an unbelievable level. I know I said that anything is legitimate, but use ur common sense. What I said is true but no-one wants to accept it. That's how I work. I think outside of the box, not confine myself to trying to put someone down cause they're right. I am being deadly serious in all I said in my previous post. Think outside the box and you will see what I mean. Just take me seriously and not make disparaging comments whilst warping what i actually meant.
And Pokebones? That is what I meant by twisting to an unbelievable level.

Wow... ok, lets get some things straight.
1) The universe has limits. Not massive limits, but it does have them. I cannot say "My chapter was totally part of the Horus heresy, only they won it and saved the Emperor from total death because their Primarch intervened in the battle and killed Horus. The chapter is the only one with a Primarch that is still alive, active and kicking ass." Why? Because it's unbelievable, and no one will like it. It breaks the rules.
2) You're saying I'm putting you down because you're right. Only, I'm not. I'm putting you down because you're wrong.
3) You seem to have shot yourself in the foot. The Pokebones was A)sarcasm and B) Allusion to the Lynx. The shared Calgar link should have told you that. Twisting to an unbelieveable level? Sorry, but yours isn't too far off that mate.

I think I speak for all of us when I say this: we want to help. But we can't if you won't take our advice. Read the fluff. Give it some serious thought. Stop whining when people don't buy your ideas straight out of the box, instead take what they say and use it. It's called constructive criticism for a reason.

**Mynameisalie**

liquidjoshi wrote:
Mynameisalie wrote:This universe is a universe in it's own.
Not a good idea. Bet I can see where this is going...
The only thing that needs to be kept in line with the 40k universe is the army list.
Did... did you seriously just say that? So, by your logic, I can say Marneus Calgar created a new race from Crazy Bones and Pokemon cards using stolen necron tech, then threw them into another universe, where they evolved at stupidly incredible rates, then came back to kill their former owner. Riiiiiiight...
As long as that's balanced, then I can assign almost ANY background to the race I want/would like to. The entire 40k universe is flexible enough to allow anyone who wants to make a new race to assign fluff to their new race without breaking any rules. And did anyone read the part where the Emperor doesn't mind xenos as long as they are peaceful and intelligent in the rulebook? The primarchs are another example of this. They don't mind xenos either, as long as they do not mean harm to the Imperium. Lolwut? either I'm really, REALLY wrong in my interpretation of the fluff, or you're making things up. A little race called the Interrex would dispute that with you too. Humans that didn't accept the Emperor in the years before the Horus heresy. Horus, although saddened at this, knew what he must do: Somehow, I think the Emperor and Primarchs would react similarly to the cat people.
Besides, I could easily dodge this by giving the Lynx secret friends in high places (eg: the Lord Macragge (not sure how to spell it)) who will "persuade" the Imperium to overlook the Lynx, whilst not revealing the tie between the Chapter and the Lynx.
My Pokebones would eat your cat people for dinner. Seriously, no. Just no. Stop, please. I'm begging you.
Seriously, this 40k universe is so flexible that ANY of you could write up ANY race of your making and it could be believeable. You're restricting yourselves. Broaden your mind to the opportunities the 40k universe offers.
Yes, you can make any race. Make it believeable? Well, you're more than starting to push that one. This really isn't that believable.
But it is kind of a shame I couldn't get it in before 6th ed.

Now, I've not read the 6th rulebook, but from what I understand, not much has changed since 5th. Therefore, I think my comments are valid in either case. But I will offer some more constructive criticsm: If you've rushed this up here because you wanted something to say, stop development here and give it a lot of serious thought, then come back and show us. Be original, and tone them down. The Psychic gig is already taken, as is the dying race and ultimate badasses areas (Eldar and Grey Knights respectively).

And someone, please clarify (as I have been know to get things badly wrong before) were the Primarchs and Emperor hostile to Xenos, regardless of how peaceful they were, or am I completely wrong and Emperor was cool with them?

Oh, and one final note: Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do it.

No they weren't hostile to xenos. There is a discussion (not on these forums) where the argument is the Emperor was not hostile, and neither were the Primarchs. I'm not joking. After the dark age of tech though, the Emperor became a bit paranoid of xenos, so said: "If they attack us, kill their whole race. End of Discussion." I think the reason the Imperium doesn't like xenos is because the "cult" who worshipped the Emperor have now become the High Lords of Terra. I am not making this up. So technically, the Emperor has said: "If they are intelligent and mean no harm, then either ignore them, or, if they are nice enough, take a look into their race". The SM were created as a defence against invading xenos. That was their true purpose. That has now become warped through the zealous High Lords of Terra.

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liquidjoshi wrote:
Mynameisalie wrote:What I said before is true. You are twisting it to an unbelievable level. I know I said that anything is legitimate, but use ur common sense. What I said is true but no-one wants to accept it. That's how I work. I think outside of the box, not confine myself to trying to put someone down cause they're right. I am being deadly serious in all I said in my previous post. Think outside the box and you will see what I mean. Just take me seriously and not make disparaging comments whilst warping what i actually meant.
And Pokebones? That is what I meant by twisting to an unbelievable level.

Wow... ok, lets get some things straight.
1) The universe has limits. Not massive limits, but it does have them. I cannot say "My chapter was totally part of the Horus heresy, only they won it and saved the Emperor from total death because their Primarch intervened in the battle and killed Horus. The chapter is the only one with a Primarch that is still alive, active and kicking ass." Why? Because it's unbelievable, and no one will like it. It breaks the rules.
I'm not saying this. I am saying the Lynx have a few major issues and have ways of getting around problems, because I take the fluff and look at it a different way.
2) You're saying I'm putting you down because you're right. Only, I'm not. I'm putting you down because you're wrong.
Maybe we're both right, maybe we're both wrong. It depends on how you look at it.
3) You seem to have shot yourself in the foot. The Pokebones was A)sarcasm and B) Allusion to the Lynx. The shared Calgar link should have told you that. Twisting to an unbelieveable level? Sorry, but yours isn't too far off that mate.
Right. Don't understand sarcasm much. And twisting to an unbelievable level level is not what I am doing. I am interpreting the fluff in my own way. You guys are like zealots.

I think I speak for all of us when I say this: we want to help. But we can't if you won't take our advice. Read the fluff. Give it some serious thought. Stop whining when people don't buy your ideas straight out of the box, instead take what they say and use it. It's called constructive criticism for a reason.

I have taken them, but we (me and my friends) have decided the Lynx are perfectly legitimate in both Army choice and fluff. And before you say anything about my friends, they do have the rulebooks, and they checked multiple forums and the 40k wiki. They decided: it is a legitimate idea fluff and all.

**liquidjoshi**

Your overuse of "I'm not making this up" makes me think you are. Regardless, this is the 41st millennium, not the 31st. So your point is moot. And no, Emperor didn't say "If they're nice let's go say hi", he said "if they're a threat, kill them. If not, ignore them until we can afford to ignore everyone else, then kill them. Seriously, you won't get away with trying to be the IOM's BFF. Won't happen. And no, the original SM were created to overturn the enemies of the Emperor on Terra during the Unification wars (though these aren't true marines like the later marines), which then went out on a little something called the Great Crusade. They weren't about defence, they were about killing everything that moved that wasn't human or accepting of the Emperor.

And I want some sort of evidence from a GW publication saying otherwise before I will disagree. Saying "There was an argument on another forum" does not count.

**Shadox**

There are many cultures of humans, who were destroyed in the Great Crusade because they had Xenos assimilated in their respective empires (Interex for example). So even then there was no "Ok leave them there, 'till they cross our borders." The Emperor and with him the Primarchs believed, that it is the birthright of the human race to rule the whole galaxy.

**Mynameisalie**

Necroman wrote:
The Imperium is an oppressive theocracy that tries to create a single overlapping culture across all of itself dedicated to the God Emperor of Mankind, who the Imperium remembers for his crusade that killed plenty of Xenos.

The reasons why the Imperium destroys Xenos are typically these.

1. They are afraid of the actually dangerous xenos. Those nids are pretty scary, hey, those other aliens must be pretty scary!
2. Fear of cultural integration. This is probably biggest against the Tau and peaceful xeno cultures; the Imperial faith objects to outside forces weakening it, especially when that faith is one of the things that keeps chaos away (In For the Emperor, Cain says at one point that he's worried that those who could be influenced by the Tau could also be open to influence from the ruinous powers).
3. Extreme prejudice. Consider that, in Nightbringer, Uriel is unwilling to think the Eldar might possibly have different conflicting groups, even with overwhelming evidence to the contrary, simply because they're all "filthy xenos." People are grown from the cradle indoctrinated by Imperial propaganda.
4. "The Emperor did it." Remember, a lot of the people in power happen to be fanatically devoted to the Emperor.

Is it a good idea to destroy all Xenos, even ones that actually do want to create peaceful trade relationships (AKA Not Eldar, Tau, Orks, Nids, Necrons)? On one hand, it can be quite beneficial to both groups (The use of Kroot mercenaries in some groups of Imperial Guard, for example). On the other, it might weaken the power of the Imperium as people recognize that the less oppressive alien cultures are a lot less scary-looking.

And here you go. Imperium will side if the xenos will be beneficial, but some are scared this will weaken the Imperium. The two "factions" are basically saying: "We must kill them", and "No, if they are a danger we must kill them"
My entire point here is that the Imperium do not regard the Lynx as a threat. And so overlooks them, but if they feel like it, they use them as leverage to win back a few worlds and defend the territories. They are not assimilating the Lynx into their culture; just using them mutually. Like a symbiotic relationship. With all those xenos who actually do want to kill humanity, they're lucky they have someone who supports them.

**liquidjoshi**

That really isn't what you said earlier. The only way they will survive if the IOM knows about them is if they are really insignificant. Then, the IOM won't deal with them at all. Ever. They won't help them out if they are attacked, and if they ever get the opportunity, will just kill them off. Any Xenos is a potential threat.

On the plus side, at least you are willing to change your fluff so it fits. There may be hope yet.

**Mynameisalie**

And, ok, i'll stop using the "I'm not makinng this up phrase"; you won't believe me either way.

**akaean**

Mynameisalie wrote:[
Exactly. You just said I can do almost anything I want. That is the point. Seriously, you guys can make a codex with any background you want, with minimal problems with the current 40k universe. Think about it. This is why I love 40k: It's so flexible!

Of course, what you want is something different. You want people to like your idea, and help you develop it. You want to contribute to the universe and create something that people will enjoy. 40K fans in particular are a picky bunch. We like things depressingly dark and bleak.

Also we HATE xeno-imperial alliances, and/or are Mary Sues with generic curses. Case in point, do a search for Matt Ward. Hes the author of Codex Space Marines, GK, BA, and Necrons. Notice how much hate he gets for his Necron alliance with Blood Angels, or Khaldor Draigo, or Calgar. Do that search. If you can figure out what it is about Matt Ward's writing that throws people into a fit, and you can identify that and actively avoid it in your own writing, you are well on your way to making something that will be accepted.

Now to continue my Highjacking

Spoiler:

**liquidjoshi**

You realise I'm not believing you because I know otherwise, right?

**Mynameisalie**

But the IoM uses them as leverage. They don't like xenos, but still use the Lynx if in dire need. Otherwise they overlook them, as, even though they are quite a powerful race, they have made it obvious; they do not want to fight the Imperium.

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And what the heck is Mary Sues? I really don't know these abbreviations well.

**liquidjoshi**

Only they wouldn't. If they were powerful as they have "made it obvious" then they are a threat, and must be expunged. The Imperium doesn't care if they want to fight or not.
And Google is your friend.

**Mynameisalie**

akaean wrote:
Mynameisalie wrote:[
Exactly. You just said I can do almost anything I want. That is the point. Seriously, you guys can make a codex with any background you want, with minimal problems with the current 40k universe. Think about it. This is why I love 40k: It's so flexible!

Of course, what you want is something different. You want people to like your idea, and help you develop it. You want to contribute to the universe and create something that people will enjoy. 40K fans in particular are a picky bunch. We like things depressingly dark and bleak.

Also we HATE xeno-imperial alliances, and/or are Mary Sues with generic curses. Case in point, do a search for Matt Ward. Hes the author of Codex Space Marines, GK, BA, and Necrons. Notice how much hate he gets for his Necron alliance with Blood Angels, or Khaldor Draigo, or Calgar. Do that search. If you can figure out what it is about Matt Ward's writing that throws people into a fit, and you can identify that and actively avoid it in your own writing, you are well on your way to making something that will be accepted.

Now to continue my Highjacking

Spoiler:

HQ choice:
Lynx Alpha.....................90 points

Fluff:
The Lynx Alphas lead the Lynx on their raiding and scavenging missions, as well as cover their escapes when enemy forces retaliate. Lynx Alphas are capable in close combat and ranged combat, but they cannot match up to the leaders of more brutish armies. Those Lynx that raise to the level of Alpha are without exception incredibly cunning and cautious individuals- those Lynx who are instead honorable and brave quickly find their way to an early grave long before they reach the rank.

Statline
ws:4| bs:5| s:3| t:3| w:3| i:5| a:3| ld: 9| sv:4+

Unit Composition: One Lynx Alpha
Unit Type: Infantry (Character)

Wargear:
reinforced jerkin (4+ armor save, included in profile)
stealth field (+1 cover save)
barrier (5++ invulnerable save)
close combat weapon
spike pistol (s:2 | ap:- | Pistol | Rending)
smoke bombs (Hit and Run, and Counts as armed with Defensive Grenades)

Special Rules
Independent Character
Stealth,
Acute Senses,
Night Vision,
Infiltrate
Scouts
Pounce (+1 initiative and strength when charging through terrain instead of usual penalties)
Pride Awareness (may choose to re-roll reserve rolls)

Options

May close combat weapon and/or spike pistol with:
- Power Weapon (10 pts)
- Power Klaw (15 pts)
- Diamond Tipped Claws (counts as 2 ccw w/ rending) 10 points
- Enhanced Sniper Rifle (rg 36, ap3, sniper) 10 points
- RPG (rg 48, s8, ap 3, Heavy 1) 15 points

May Take
Decoy (a one use item, cancels an unsaved wound of the defending players choice) 10 pts
Night Cloak (any shots resolved against the Lynx Alpha and his squad are considered under night fight) 20 pts
Exoskeleton ( Alpha gains +1 toughness, and changes to unit type Beat) 15 points
Sensory Array (equipped model may choose to fire Sky Fire) 10 pts

Dude, already done the army list. Well, not actually put it in the pub document, but, I have it written down on what their army consists of. And I see what you mean. You guys really are quite a picky bunch. Like zealots. You have decided on one thing and you won't allow anyone to nudge that a tiny bit. But ok, if that's what you believe in, that's what you believe in. But take my ideas as if you weren't biased towards this single concept. Just broaden up a bit. try to take the idea that not everyone sees this the same way as you on board.

**Shadox**

Mynameisalie wrote:And what the heck is Mary Sues? I really don't know these abbreviations well.

A Mary Sue is a character, who is best at everything, is friend with everyone and has no problems to accomplish anything.
http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Mary_Sue Here you go.

**Mynameisalie**

But if you guys want, I'll make two versions. One where they are lithe, but the other like I am depicting them now. I am trying to tone them back a bit; I have made some disadvantages. Like failing a psychic test badly will result in a psychic feedback where the Lynx's head explodes. Soon followed by the rest of his/her squad.

**liquidjoshi**

You're trying to "Nudge" a cornerstone idea, like the Emperor, or trying to remove something like the Black Templars from existence. This isn't some trivial thing in the scheme of 40K, it's pretty clearly set down. The IOM does not deal with Xenos. End of discussion. The Inquisition might use Jokaero, but they also use daemonhosts. We all know how the IOM feels about Daemons. Somethign about Chaos and a certain Horus heresy...

**Mynameisalie**

Shadox wrote:
Mynameisalie wrote:And what the heck is Mary Sues? I really don't know these abbreviations well.
A Mary Sue is a character, who is best at everything, is friend with everyone and has no problems to accomplish anything.
http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Mary_Sue Here you go.

Ok, they aren't friends with everyone. They despise Tyranids, Orks, Chaos Space Marines, Chaos Daemons, Dark Eldar and Necrons. They don't really mid, but are wary of Eldar and Tau. They like the Imperium as the Lynx figure the IoM is a model they can look up to. Besides, Lynx and Human DNA only differs by 4% or so. Just a genetic coding error has caused them to become psykers and cat-people when they stupidly opened up another dimension. Yeah. They don't have much common sense.

**Kris Knives**

Seriously I have to ask, what are you trying to do here?

If you are trying to make an new army for you and your friends to play. Then you've achieved your goal and we can end this thread. Your friends love you Lynx idea and think it is a great one which fits into the 40k universe. If this is all you want, stop, be happy, finish you codex and play with your friends. There is nothing wrong with that if everyone has fun with the Lynx.

If your goal however, is to work with the community to make this idea the best it can be, one that others might enjoy and one that is consistent with the 40k universe and one games workshop might even take notice of (very difficult goals all). Then you really need to rethink what you are doing because right now you are making every bad beginners fan fiction mistake and see pretty happy about doing so.

You don't seem to realize their is an internal consistency to most settings which you are violating here. You don't seem to realize your friends are going to lie to you to spare you feelings. You don't seem to realize the Lynx are Mary Sues as written which makes them inherently unlikable. You don't seem to realize the Lynx have no place in the established 40k universe making them a parasitic idea which takes away from the fiction rather then a symbiotic one works within the established fiction to make it richer.

I'd honest suggest you put the Lynx on the back burner. Go look up an obscure 40k alien race and start doing a codex about them. Not because that would be better, but because you need some practice and that would help you sharpen your skills both as a writer of fluff and of rules. Then when you get CC you can be a step back because your heart isn't so caught up in your work and you can learn with an open mind. That way when you come back to the Lynx you can apply what you've learned and do a better job.

The Lynx can be a good idea but you need to refine them and improve your implementation. Trying to constantly explain why this version is perfect this isn't the way to do it. If you have to explain why the concept is good, it isn't. A good concept should be self-evident to most readers.

Take it from someone who once a looooong time ago wrote a DBZ Fan RPG and had to learn all this for themselves.

-Kris Out

**Mynameisalie**

liquidjoshi wrote:You're trying to "Nudge" a cornerstone idea, like the Emperor, or trying to remove something like the Black Templars from existence. This isn't some trivial thing in the scheme of 40K, it's pretty clearly set down. The IOM does not deal with Xenos. End of discussion. The Inquisition might use Jokaero, but they also use daemonhosts. We all know how the IOM feels about Daemons. Somethign about Chaos and a certain Horus heresy...

Exactly. Why not the same here? You have unwittingly bolstered my point. They use Daemons and xenos, so...

**akaean**

But you are not creating ideas for yourself, you are creating them for us. You will never find acceptance for your army unless you write to please your audience. In this case your audience is 40K fans.

Its like bringing a pound and a half of bacon to a Jewish Temple, and when they complain that its not kosher you simply respond, "Hey its food, lots of people eat it, just broaden up a bit". We know there is other stuff out there, and we know where it is if we want to find it. If we wanted to read about an army of super duper psychic dudes with over the top powers we'd just pick up the GK codex, but you should also notice just how much people DISLIKE the GK codex first...

What my Highjacking is doing is showing you an example of how you can spin this race to gain general acceptance. I want you to scroll through the last few pages, and compare the reactions you are getting with the reactions people have to my entries.

**Shadox**

Mynameisalie wrote:
liquidjoshi wrote:You're trying to "Nudge" a cornerstone idea, like the Emperor, or trying to remove something like the Black Templars from existence. This isn't some trivial thing in the scheme of 40K, it's pretty clearly set down. The IOM does not deal with Xenos. End of discussion. The Inquisition might use Jokaero, but they also use daemonhosts. We all know how the IOM feels about Daemons. Somethign about Chaos and a certain Horus heresy...

Exactly. Why not the same here? You have unwittingly bolstered my point. They use Daemons and xenos, so...

Because it would only take one or two random Black Templar Crusades to reduce your Lynx to the stage which the Jokaero have at the moment. Only existing because a group of radical Inquisitors think they could be useful. I don't think that this is what you want for them.

**Mynameisalie**

Look, I will change it, ok? Is this a bit better:
They trust the GK and SM they have met, and have made a secret pact which the Imperium doesn't know about. They have sworn not to tell the other chapters of the GK's existence, and share the relics they have collected from the DAOT with the SM. In return, the GK ans SM chapters they trust hide them from the scrutinity of an Inquisitors eye. This keeps them unknown to the Imperium, so they are safe from their extermination. If a chapter seems to be getting into a bit of a fix, the Lynx will quickly join the fight, and dash back out again before any Inquisitors get there.
Is this a bit better than my previous fluffs?

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Cause I am not shifting any further than this.They are somehow related to the IoM, but not in a very strong way. besides, the psychic powers thing I have tried to tone back. Have you guys paid attention to the exploding head problem? Yeah, it's part of their curse. The curse seems like a decent piece of fluff, I just don't have much of a background for it... Just they opened a new dimension by accident, which gave them psychic powers. Actually, I could make two codexes, one before the accident, where they are lithe and stealthy, and the current version, if you would feel that is a better option.

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Shadox wrote:
Mynameisalie wrote:
liquidjoshi wrote:You're trying to "Nudge" a cornerstone idea, like the Emperor, or trying to remove something like the Black Templars from existence. This isn't some trivial thing in the scheme of 40K, it's pretty clearly set down. The IOM does not deal with Xenos. End of discussion. The Inquisition might use Jokaero, but they also use daemonhosts. We all know how the IOM feels about Daemons. Somethign about Chaos and a certain Horus heresy...

Exactly. Why not the same here? You have unwittingly bolstered my point. They use Daemons and xenos, so...

Because it would only take one or two random Black Templar Crusades to reduce your Lynx to the stage which the Jokaero have at the moment. Only existing because a group of radical Inquisitors think they could be useful. I don't think that this is what you want for them.

It's a possibility. But I doubt a single chapter could exterminate them. Their curse condemns them to forever remain. Imagine how depressing it would be if you were the last of your race, unable to die but have witnessed the entire obliteration of your race? Come on, that would be quite upsetting for you.

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I wrote this for intro.

The Lynx are the ultimate race. They are the pinnacle of Nature’s creation, and believe themselves to be Pure. They have reached this level of power through only by Nature’s flow. Though through all this belief in their own purity, a dark past overshadows them. A cataclysmic event that they are not willing to share. A series of horrors that have left them only a fraction as powerful as before. But what led to these events? Only the most trusted Space Marines know the truth…

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So? Better? Or worse? Trying to keep the fluff I am desperately craving in, but making it so you guys are at least satisfied.

**sirrah**

But 40k already has psychic cats?

**Mynameisalie**

sirrah wrote:But 40k already has psychic cats?

Do they? I don't think so.

**matapata98**

Mynameisalie wrote:
sirrah wrote:But 40k already has psychic cats?

Do they? I don't think so.

Sorry can i ask, where?

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overall I must say an interesting proposal, but just...
too much of some things, too little of others.
get your backstory worked out in a way that does not cause the current universe to crash and burn
keep trying

**Drakmord**

sirrah wrote:But 40k already has psychic cats?

HA! the gyrinx! i'd forgotten about those.

there's one in a picture of an Eldar whose got really short nubby arms

**matapata98**

Oh cool!

But are they humanoid?