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liquidjoshi wrote:That and the whole Dying race gig.

Exploding psykers is ok, but it has to be a major hindrance. Like, 2 out of three explode as kids kind of thing. I'll also put my vote in for guerrila fighters rather than all out war fighters.

Don't all psycher's have the threat of 'splodin, and aren't the Eldar a dying race.....

Starting to see some similarities....

Mynameisalie wrote:
Psychic power emanates from each Lynx with such intensity that it can cause lesser beings to be drive insane. Though for all this power, they are a cursed race. Cursed to never again be the dominant force in a galaxy.
Lynx are a benign race, even though their powers would allow them to crush every speck of life that dares to get in their way. Their previous empire stretched the whole way across their home galaxy, the Andromeda Spiral, and still they allowed conquered races to maintain their way of living. They are, essentially, a galactic peace force.

You really dont get it do you, this curse is stupid. A curse to never be the most powerful force in the galaxy is dumb. the IoM does not have that curse and they still cant become the greatest power in the galaxy, dont even mention that, dont even say they have that curse. just say they are cursed to eventually go insane and revert back to primal instincts as they get old due to a pact with a chaos daemon.

next do not, again DO NOT! make them that powerful of phykers, There is no mortal creature in the 40k world that can passively drive other creatures insane just by standing next to them. If driveing some one insane is a power they have that can be used in battle that's fine but not passively do it.

dont make them a galactic peace force. thats the tau, think about it they just lost their whole empire they are not going to be setting up massive bases and shop on the first planet hey land on, no they are going to fall into civil chaos. they will live on planets and live in the wild for some time before they can rebuild. most likely they will eb run by crime lord which once again is a really cool idea, You could infact make them not as a full blown army but an ally army.

blood reaper wrote:

Mynameisalie wrote:

blood reaper wrote:

Why can't you explain the bloomin' curse already?

I have several theories, I'm just working my way through it one step at a time. Please just be patient. The best ones I have at the moment are:
1. REALLY bad luck (which you haven't shown much affinity for)
2. Extract from my codex:
The one thing they do fear though, is their own talents. Their psychic powers are the bane of their existence, mercilessly slaying those who show only a momentary lapse in concentration in violent and gory ways. Some have their own brain seared inside their skull, others simply explode on the spot in a geyser of flesh, blood, bone and energy. The feedback from this surge of power is dangerous to nearby Lynx as well. It “overloads” the psychic capacity at which the Lynx can function, causing extreme pain and temporary mental breakdown.
Which one do you prefer at the moment?

1: Bad Luck? What kind of bad luck? That means nothing to me.
2: Happens to all strong psychers, all the time in fact, actually, ALL PSYCHERS.
3: The Eldar are cursed by their psychic strength and are the victims of their own mental strength, your just doing furry Eldar.

1. What kind of bad luck do you think?! It's just general bad luck!
2 and 3. Do they also rip themselves open into a portal if the feedback is powerful enough? don't think so. The Lynx really are screwed when they mess up a psychic test. One of the rules is:
if a Deepsyker suffers a Perils of the Warp attack, they automatically suffer a wound, no saves of any kind allowed. If a double 6 is rolled, the psyker’s entire nervous system is flooded with a torrent of uncontrollable power which fries synapses and vaporises neurones. The psyker is immediately removed as a casualty, unless they are immune to instant death, which in that case they are immediately reduced to 1 wound.
A deepsyker is a psyker who does not draw their power from the warp, but gets it from the Shadow Dimension instead. Just to clarify.

You have to make out a systematic weakness for your race not just punctual ones like you did with the perils on miscast. Nearly every codex has something which is their blind spot. The glassbone of the Eldar, the Melee=Death of the Tau, the hordiness of Orks and Nids... But as you see with the Grey Knights small numbers is not enough of a weakpoint these days.

So for example get rid of the archeotech. They are so mighty psykers, that they never had use for too advanced technology, as they could accomplish anything with just their mind. On the table this would mean, they have always to test for their shooting. They could get a sergeant who could make their cc-attacks rending, but again this needs a psychic test and it would allow Deny-the-witch-roles.

liquidjoshi wrote:That and the whole Dying race gig.

Exploding psykers is ok, but it has to be a major hindrance. Like, 2 out of three explode as kids kind of thing. I'll also put my vote in for guerrila fighters rather than all out war fighters.

definately, as a race close to extinction like the lynx is NOT going to want to to IG style attrition warfare, rather striking from the shadows (similaritys with the eldar again here)

Deeppsyker?

New times of Psykers? Really, just to fill in the cracks?

No.

What, so they walked under a ladder, smashed a window, spilled salt? Why even have it?

Backspacehacker wrote:

Mynameisalie wrote:
Psychic power emanates from each Lynx with such intensity that it can cause lesser beings to be drive insane. Though for all this power, they are a cursed race. Cursed to never again be the dominant force in a galaxy.
Lynx are a benign race, even though their powers would allow them to crush every speck of life that dares to get in their way. Their previous empire stretched the whole way across their home galaxy, the Andromeda Spiral, and still they allowed conquered races to maintain their way of living. They are, essentially, a galactic peace force.

You really dont get it do you, this curse is stupid. A curse to never be the most powerful force in the galaxy is dumb. the IoM does not have that curse and they still cant become the greatest power in the galaxy, dont even mention that, dont even say they have that curse. just say they are cursed to eventually go insane and revert back to primal instincts as they get old due to a pact with a chaos daemon.

next do not, again DO NOT! make them that powerful of phykers, There is no mortal creature in the 40k world that can passively drive other creatures insane just by standing next to them. If driveing some one insane is a power they have that can be used in battle that's fine but not passively do it.

dont make them a galactic peace force. thats the tau, think about it they just lost their whole empire they are not going to be setting up massive bases and shop on the first planet hey land on, no they are going to fall into civil chaos. they will live on planets and live in the wild for some time before they can rebuild. most likely they will eb run by crime lord which once again is a really cool idea, You could infact make them not as a full blown army but an ally army.

I am not involving them with daemons. They absolutely hate daemons to the point where they go blood crazed when they see one.
And about the passive insanity, it's just fluff. Not including it in the game itself. It's just something I thought would be interesting to read.d

They'd be possessed in mass by Daemons if their minds are so fragile.

Have I mentioned Animatrix Crystals?

the Shadow Dimension needs to go, really. not only are you planning to add a new race to this universe, but you want to add to the cosmology as well? no-no.


also, yes, all psykers are at risk for exploding and turning in to mini-Warp rifts if they lose control. that's one of the main reasons that the IoM isn't all that keen of them.

during The Fall, the Eldar didn't just do naughty stuff and then birth Slaanesh. first they did naughty stuff, and then most of them exploded, and the explosion created the Eye of Terror, and then they birthed Slaanesh.


edit: and you can't make them powerful psykers without involving them with Daemonkind. if anything, their mental strength be raw and unrefined, with something WORSE than Perils if they mess up. blast templates centered on them, for example, or dealing wounds to their entire squad, or turning in to Chaos Spawn.

Mynameisalie wrote:Have I mentioned Animatrix Crystals?

No, but again but I'm guessing another way to fill in the cracks for your poor race.

Mynameisalie wrote:
I am not involving them with daemons. They absolutely hate daemons to the point where they go blood crazed when they see one.
And about the passive insanity, it's just fluff. Not including it in the game itself. It's just something I thought would be interesting to read.d

would this not make them even more vulnerable to khornate demons?

Mynameisalie wrote:
I am not involving them with daemons. They absolutely hate daemons to the point where they go blood crazed when they see one.
And about the passive insanity, it's just fluff. Not including it in the game itself. It's just something I thought would be interesting to read.d

Then dont even write this race kid. if you want them to be gifted with phyker abilities and be cursed they need to have delt with demons. there is no other way for them to get cursed. either take my advice to fix this train wreck of a codex or just stop now.

Even in the fluff that does not make seance, thats to damn powerful for a mortal.

better yet i tell you what go down to your FLGS or your GW store and take this in and show some of the guys playing there and be laughed outta the store because thats whats gonna happen if you try and run with your idea.

Drakmord wrote:the Shadow Dimension needs to go, really. not only are you planning to add a new race to this universe, but you want to add to the cosmology as well? no-no.


also, yes, all psykers are at risk for exploding and turning in to mini-Warp rifts if they lose control. that's one of the main reasons that the IoM isn't all that keen of them.

during The Fall, the Eldar didn't just do naughty stuff and then birth Slaanesh. first they did naughty stuff, and then most of them exploded, and the explosion created the Eye of Terror, and then they birthed Slaanesh.

isnt it more like
naughty stuff, slaanesh, explode, eye?
just looking at my copy of codex eldar and thats what it seems like.

Daemons might be a good fix for this army. Their curse could be that for every one of them born another Daemon is made. They are eternal enemies with Daemons, and will always engage them where they can (BT crusade style). But it;s a battle they can't win, as every time one of them is born so is a daemon, and every time one dies, well, that's another less to fight daemons. Given that 2/3 of them die before they are 10, due to their ability to explode a lot more than most other psykers, then daemons really have the number advantage. The Lynx should also just keep the heck away from the IOM.

Or, you know, their weakness could be that they're complete and utter Mary Sues that make Mat Ward want to cry. Mat Ward.

I just thought I hadn't. They're a common feature on all Lynx planets and are pivotal to their survival. Lynx will literally shrivel and die if kept away from them for too long.

blood reaper wrote:

liquidjoshi wrote:That and the whole Dying race gig.

Exploding psykers is ok, but it has to be a major hindrance. Like, 2 out of three explode as kids kind of thing. I'll also put my vote in for guerrila fighters rather than all out war fighters.

Don't all psycher's have the threat of 'splodin, and aren't the Eldar a dying race.....

Starting to see some similarities....

+1

Backspacehacker wrote:

Mynameisalie wrote:
I am not involving them with daemons. They absolutely hate daemons to the point where they go blood crazed when they see one.
And about the passive insanity, it's just fluff. Not including it in the game itself. It's just something I thought would be interesting to read.d

Then dont even write this race kid. if you want them to be gifted with phyker abilities and be cursed they need to have delt with demons. there is no other way for them to get cursed. either take my advice to fix this train wreck of a codex or just stop now.

Even in the fluff that does not make seance, thats to damn powerful for a mortal.

better yet i tell you what go down to your FLGS or your GW store and take this in and show some of the guys playing there and be laughed outta the store because thats whats gonna happen if you try and run with your idea.

Besides the Gods of Chaos themselves, perhaps?

Mynameisalie wrote:That is EXACTLY what I was planning!
Here, this is what I've got so far. I think it's believable, and I'm happy with it because it keeps the Lynx and the IoM passive, which is near enough what I wanted:

The Lynx are the most mysterious and secretive of all the races discovered by the Imperium so far. They resemble furry humanoids, with reflective eyes, pointed ears and a long, prehensile tail. Though they seem lithe and fragile, they pack the strength of ten men into their wiry frame. Psychic power emanates from each Lynx with such intensity that it can cause lesser beings to be drive insane. Though for all this power, they are a cursed race. Cursed to never again be the dominant force in a galaxy.
Lynx are a benign race, even though their powers would allow them to crush every speck of life that dares to get in their way. Their previous empire stretched the whole way across their home galaxy, the Andromeda Spiral, and still they allowed conquered races to maintain their way of living. They are, essentially, a galactic peace force.

Have you learned nothing from us?

At this point you are basically turning the Lynx into Eldar +1. You are even blatantly using Eldar backstory, except saying that they are from Andromeda instead. Lets look at Eldar.

Created by the Old Ones to fight the Necrons, after the Necrons returned to slumber the Eldar formed a great planetary empire larger than even the Imperium of Man. They proceeded to party so hard that they gave birth to a CHAOS GOD, and their claim to power has been crippled since then. Now they deal with decreasing populations, and constant warfare against Chaos and any species encroaching on their maiden worlds.

Now you bring in the Lynx and basically want them to be super Eldar. Here is what I read in your paragraph

- Lynx are totally super attractive cat people, but they are also really strong, but also so psychic that lesser beings go insane around them!
- But don't worry guys, they totally have this nonspecific curse which "won't let them ever be a dominant force in a galaxy." I haven't quite worked out how this curse works yet, or how it hinders them in anyway, but just know that this curse makes them really deep and totally not over the top!
- Just in case you missed how powerful they were before, they can crush anybody who gets in their way! But don't worry they are kind too, they totally let people do their own thing when they are in charge! They are galactic peace keepers!

this represents everything that people have been warning you NOT to do. You need to make them reasonable. Space Marines are the elite of the universe, and should be respected as such in your fluff.

Mynameisalie wrote:I just thought I hadn't. They're a common feature on all Lynx planets and are pivotal to their survival. Lynx will literally shrivel and die if kept away from them for too long.

So, the Imperium, Orks, wait, anyone could kill them in a single decisive strike?

Your gonna need more BS to fill the gaps in the project.

liquidjoshi wrote:Daemons might be a good fix for this army. Their curse could be that for every one of them born another Daemon is made. They are eternal enemies with Daemons, and will always engage them where they can (BT crusade style). But it;s a battle they can't win, as every time one of them is born so is a daemon, and every time one dies, well, that's another less to fight daemons. Given that 2/3 of them die before they are 10, due to their ability to explode a lot more than most other psykers, then daemons really have the number advantage. The Lynx should also just keep the heck away from the IOM.

Or, you know, their weakness could be that they're complete and utter Mary Sues that make Mat Ward want to cry. Mat Ward.

Nice idea.


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blood reaper wrote:

Mynameisalie wrote:I just thought I hadn't. They're a common feature on all Lynx planets and are pivotal to their survival. Lynx will literally shrivel and die if kept away from them for too long.

So, the Imperium, Orks, wait, anyone could kill them in a single decisive strike?

Your gonna need more BS to fill the gaps in the project.

If BS is what I think it means...
No, not really. Animatrix crystals have a consciousness of their own. It's like every Lynx planet is alive inn its own right. The planet can fight back, if the need arises. And the IoM can't touch them, remember?

Definately, they do seem to be going down the path of the eldar, and anyway, the IoM is never going to be ruledby cat people

It is, isn't it. Seriously, you need something like this, something original and good...

For the record, Daemons spawned from Lynx was my idea.

akaean wrote:

Mynameisalie wrote:That is EXACTLY what I was planning!
Here, this is what I've got so far. I think it's believable, and I'm happy with it because it keeps the Lynx and the IoM passive, which is near enough what I wanted:

The Lynx are the most mysterious and secretive of all the races discovered by the Imperium so far. They resemble furry humanoids, with reflective eyes, pointed ears and a long, prehensile tail. Though they seem lithe and fragile, they pack the strength of ten men into their wiry frame. Psychic power emanates from each Lynx with such intensity that it can cause lesser beings to be drive insane. Though for all this power, they are a cursed race. Cursed to never again be the dominant force in a galaxy.
Lynx are a benign race, even though their powers would allow them to crush every speck of life that dares to get in their way. Their previous empire stretched the whole way across their home galaxy, the Andromeda Spiral, and still they allowed conquered races to maintain their way of living. They are, essentially, a galactic peace force.

Have you learned nothing from us?

At this point you are basically turning the Lynx into Eldar +1. You are even blatantly using Eldar backstory, except saying that they are from Andromeda instead. Lets look at Eldar.

Created by the Old Ones to fight the Necrons, after the Necrons returned to slumber the Eldar formed a great planetary empire larger than even the Imperium of Man. They proceeded to party so hard that they gave birth to a CHAOS GOD, and their claim to power has been crippled since then. Now they deal with decreasing populations, and constant warfare against Chaos and any species encroaching on their maiden worlds.

Now you bring in the Lynx and basically want them to be super Eldar. Here is what I read in your paragraph

- Lynx are totally super attractive cat people, but they are also really strong, but also so psychic that lesser beings go insane around them!
- But don't worry guys, they totally have this nonspecific curse which "won't let them ever be a dominant force in a galaxy." I haven't quite worked out how this curse works yet, or how it hinders them in anyway, but just know that this curse makes them really deep and totally not over the top!
- Just in case you missed how powerful they were before, they can crush anybody who gets in their way! But don't worry they are kind too, they totally let people do their own thing when they are in charge! They are galactic peace keepers!

this represents everything that people have been warning you NOT to do. You need to make them reasonable. Space Marines are the elite of the universe, and should be respected as such in your fluff.

Screw this. i'm gonna do the freaking codex and i had absolutely NO IDEA that the eldar are like that. Don't have their codex, never have.


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matapata98 wrote:Definately, they do seem to be going down the path of the eldar, and anyway, the IoM is never going to be ruledby cat people

Lynx can't touch the Imperium either.

So Animatrix crystals are like the Eldar's Spirit stones and their worlds Craftworlds.

*Cough*Ripoff*Cough*

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Eldar#.UAmlkWGe4TY

liquidjoshi wrote:It is, isn't it. Seriously, you need something like this, something original and good...

For the record, Daemons spawned from Lynx was my idea.

May I include it?

Mynameisalie wrote:

akaean wrote:

Mynameisalie wrote:That is EXACTLY what I was planning!
Here, this is what I've got so far. I think it's believable, and I'm happy with it because it keeps the Lynx and the IoM passive, which is near enough what I wanted:

The Lynx are the most mysterious and secretive of all the races discovered by the Imperium so far. They resemble furry humanoids, with reflective eyes, pointed ears and a long, prehensile tail. Though they seem lithe and fragile, they pack the strength of ten men into their wiry frame. Psychic power emanates from each Lynx with such intensity that it can cause lesser beings to be drive insane. Though for all this power, they are a cursed race. Cursed to never again be the dominant force in a galaxy.
Lynx are a benign race, even though their powers would allow them to crush every speck of life that dares to get in their way. Their previous empire stretched the whole way across their home galaxy, the Andromeda Spiral, and still they allowed conquered races to maintain their way of living. They are, essentially, a galactic peace force.

Have you learned nothing from us?

At this point you are basically turning the Lynx into Eldar +1. You are even blatantly using Eldar backstory, except saying that they are from Andromeda instead. Lets look at Eldar.

Created by the Old Ones to fight the Necrons, after the Necrons returned to slumber the Eldar formed a great planetary empire larger than even the Imperium of Man. They proceeded to party so hard that they gave birth to a CHAOS GOD, and their claim to power has been crippled since then. Now they deal with decreasing populations, and constant warfare against Chaos and any species encroaching on their maiden worlds.

Now you bring in the Lynx and basically want them to be super Eldar. Here is what I read in your paragraph

- Lynx are totally super attractive cat people, but they are also really strong, but also so psychic that lesser beings go insane around them!
- But don't worry guys, they totally have this nonspecific curse which "won't let them ever be a dominant force in a galaxy." I haven't quite worked out how this curse works yet, or how it hinders them in anyway, but just know that this curse makes them really deep and totally not over the top!
- Just in case you missed how powerful they were before, they can crush anybody who gets in their way! But don't worry they are kind too, they totally let people do their own thing when they are in charge! They are galactic peace keepers!

this represents everything that people have been warning you NOT to do. You need to make them reasonable. Space Marines are the elite of the universe, and should be respected as such in your fluff.

Screw this. i'm gonna do the freaking codex and i had absolutely NO IDEA that the eldar are like that. Don't have their codex, never have.

for sake, I told you that this is very similar to eldar when you first proposed it to me

Mynameisalie wrote:

liquidjoshi wrote:It is, isn't it. Seriously, you need something like this, something original and good...

For the record, Daemons spawned from Lynx was my idea.

May I include it?

In the interests of saving this damned codex, yes.

Seriously, I'm going to write my own codex at some point (minidex, I have a lot going on). The amount of things I do for people...

blood reaper wrote:So Animatrix crystals are like the Eldar's Spirit stones and their worlds Craftworlds.

*Cough*Ripoff*Cough*

Not at all. Their planets just have large growths of sentient crystal spewing from the surface. Imagine Earth being shot through by a huge turquoise crystal which then embedded itself there. That's a bit what they resemble. Nothing like Spirit Stones. They don't put souls back into stones afterwards, their planets don't move...

ok you know what kid im done trying to help you you dont want to listen so go ahead post this every where on every 40k site and see what people think.

Im convinced you are just a troll now because no one can be this dense. we are giving you good advice but you dont want to hear any of it you want your race to be powerful gods that every one likes. its not going to work.

So please take this into your local game shop and get laughed out and have your hopes and dreams crushed.

and if you are a troll, well played good sir well played, i tip my hat to you.

*turns to the onlooking crowd* gentlemen i say good day to you all.