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2012/07/30 06:34:48
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Tadashi wrote:Kovnik Obama wrote:Tadashi wrote:Homo sapiens neanderthalis[/i] disagree, seeing as our species drove them into extinction...
Except we probably didn't. Its only one of several hypothesis, and one that isn't supported by any facts. Other theories, such has assimilation, have factual evidence to back them up.
I prefer the former. Its cleaner. The fact that no real conclusion has been made yet, means the hypothesis can still be considered valid.
Why do you think you are so violent, Tadashi? Are you suppressing emotions rooted in your childhood experiences?
I'm listening. 
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2012/07/30 06:51:43
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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rubiksnoob wrote:Tadashi wrote:Kovnik Obama wrote:Tadashi wrote:Homo sapiens neanderthalis[/i] disagree, seeing as our species drove them into extinction...
Except we probably didn't. Its only one of several hypothesis, and one that isn't supported by any facts. Other theories, such has assimilation, have factual evidence to back them up.
I prefer the former. Its cleaner. The fact that no real conclusion has been made yet, means the hypothesis can still be considered valid.
Why do you think you are so violent, Tadashi? Are you suppressing emotions rooted in your childhood experiences? I'm listening.
LMAO  If you really want to know, I simply despise the person I was. I went to a parochial school in elementary, and I was like most of you guys, idealistic, altruistic, in other words a 'bright and sunny' boy. And then came secular high school...the real world is ugly. The more one follows an ideal, the more conflict you have with reality. The strong and powerful in society endure, while the weak and powerless submit and suffer. At first I just wanted to be one of the former, but something in me told me that was meaningless, and I would become what I despised. So instead of aggrandizing myself, I set my sights on something grander, a glorious vision equal to the grand dream of Alexander the Great. Mankind ascendant, evolution at our beck and call, the stars themselves bent to our will, but the problem was how...then comes 40k, and the Space Marines...and the answer came: Trans-Humans.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/07/30 06:52:28
I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/07/30 06:59:50
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Zealous Sin-Eater
Montreal
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Tadashi wrote:
The more one follows an ideal, the more conflict you have with reality. The strong and powerful in society endure, while the weak and powerless submit and suffer.
That's an ideal. It's called naturalism in the French philosophical tradition, and immoralism in the Anglo-saxon one. Thrasymachus is it's figure-head.
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2012/07/30 07:04:35
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Kovnik Obama wrote:Tadashi wrote:
The more one follows an ideal, the more conflict you have with reality. The strong and powerful in society endure, while the weak and powerless submit and suffer.
That's an ideal. It's called naturalism in the French philosophical tradition, and immoralism in the Anglo-saxon one. Thrasymachus is it's figure-head.
Its the reality. Otherwise, why else would mewling maggots who have millions of currency at their disposal be at the top posts of the government as opposed to the common man as should be the case in democracy? Our 'democracy' is false, a facade of gold and silver over an ugly oligarchy/plutocracy. That system must be broken and be replaced by one where the truly strong and deserving rule as opposed to cursed filth with money, noble-blood, etc.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/07/30 07:05:12
I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/07/30 07:14:28
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Tadashi wrote:rubiksnoob wrote:Tadashi wrote:Kovnik Obama wrote:Tadashi wrote:Homo sapiens neanderthalis[/i] disagree, seeing as our species drove them into extinction...
Except we probably didn't. Its only one of several hypothesis, and one that isn't supported by any facts. Other theories, such has assimilation, have factual evidence to back them up.
I prefer the former. Its cleaner. The fact that no real conclusion has been made yet, means the hypothesis can still be considered valid.
Why do you think you are so violent, Tadashi? Are you suppressing emotions rooted in your childhood experiences?
I'm listening.
LMAO
If you really want to know, I simply despise the person I was. I went to a parochial school in elementary, and I was like most of you guys, idealistic, altruistic, in other words a 'bright and sunny' boy. And then came secular high school...the real world is ugly. The more one follows an ideal, the more conflict you have with reality. The strong and powerful in society endure, while the weak and powerless submit and suffer. At first I just wanted to be one of the former, but something in me told me that was meaningless, and I would become what I despised. So instead of aggrandizing myself, I set my sights on something grander, a glorious vision equal to the grand dream of Alexander the Great. Mankind ascendant, evolution at our beck and call, the stars themselves bent to our will, but the problem was how...then comes 40k, and the Space Marines...and the answer came: Trans-Humans.
Well, you're crazy, but I wish you the best of luck. I'm sure you'll outgrow this phase of yours.
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2012/07/30 07:16:15
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Either I'm crazy or I'm brilliant. Going by the rules of our filthy society, if I succeed, it will be the latter.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/07/30 07:20:13
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Zealous Sin-Eater
Montreal
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Tadashi wrote:if I succeed
You won't.
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[...] for conflict is the great teacher, and pain, the perfect educator. |
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2012/07/30 07:23:20
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Kovnik Obama wrote:Tadashi wrote:if I succeed
You won't.
That's why he's harmless.
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2012/07/30 07:23:45
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Kovnik Obama wrote:Tadashi wrote:if I succeed
You won't.
I just might. They said the same to Alexander, and behold the achievements of the King of Conquerors.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/07/30 07:51:57
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Zealous Sin-Eater
Montreal
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Tadashi wrote:Kovnik Obama wrote:Tadashi wrote:if I succeed
You won't.
I just might. They said the same to Alexander, and behold the achievements of the King of Conquerors.
Oh for feth's sake, anime and science fiction novels aren't historical or scientific sources.
Alexander is only 'King of Conquerors' in Fate-0. You have no credibility at all.
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2012/07/30 08:06:20
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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Tadashi wrote:The furnace of war drives evolution, change, and development
And this is important because....?
Tadashi wrote:[I prefer the former. Its cleaner. The fact that no real conclusion has been made yet, means the hypothesis can still be considered valid.
That's not how science works.
Tadashi wrote:That system must be broken and be replaced by one where the truly strong and deserving rule as opposed to cursed filth with money, noble-blood, etc.
Those with wealth and the will to use it are truly strong.
Look, you're only 19. Read a few books, get out and live life a little. We'll revisit this conversation in ten years or so, when you've done a bit of growing up.
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"Did you ever notice how in the Bible, when ever God needed to punish someone, or make an example, or whenever God needed a killing, he sent an angel? Did you ever wonder what a creature like that must be like? A whole existence spent praising your God, but always with one wing dipped in blood. Would you ever really want to see an angel?" |
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2012/07/30 09:24:14
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Kovnik Obama wrote:Tadashi wrote:Kovnik Obama wrote:Tadashi wrote:if I succeed
You won't.
I just might. They said the same to Alexander, and behold the achievements of the King of Conquerors.
Oh for feth's sake, anime and science fiction novels aren't historical or scientific sources.
Alexander is only 'King of Conquerors' in Fate-0. You have no credibility at all.
He's still Alexander, for all that. 
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/07/30 09:37:06
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Zealous Sin-Eater
Montreal
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Tadashi wrote:He's still Alexander, for all that.
And you are still wrong on all other accounts. Your understanding of Transhumanism is derived from mediocre anime and even worse science fiction novels. Your political stance are abhorrent. Overall, you handled this conversation with the intellectual maturity of a 12 years old. I would happily flunk any students who argued so poorly in my classes.
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2012/07/30 09:52:41
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Kovnik Obama wrote:Tadashi wrote:He's still Alexander, for all that.
And you are still wrong on all other accounts. Your understanding of Transhumanism is derived from mediocre anime and even worse science fiction novels. Your political stance are abhorrent. Overall, you handled this conversation with the intellectual maturity of a 12 years old. I would happily flunk any students who argued so poorly in my classes.
But I'm certainly not your student, am I now? And for someone who values individualism, you seem awfully determined to make me conform to your views. I have nothing left to say but you are a hypocrite.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/07/30 10:00:01
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Zealous Sin-Eater
Montreal
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Tadashi wrote:Kovnik Obama wrote:Tadashi wrote:He's still Alexander, for all that.
And you are still wrong on all other accounts. Your understanding of Transhumanism is derived from mediocre anime and even worse science fiction novels. Your political stance are abhorrent. Overall, you handled this conversation with the intellectual maturity of a 12 years old. I would happily flunk any students who argued so poorly in my classes.
But I'm certainly not your student, am I now? And for someone who values individualism, you seem awfully determined to make me conform to your views. I have nothing left to say but you are a hypocrite.
You ascribded to me individualism. I've tried to explain that I don't care that much for individualism, as in it's a perfectly valid stance while not being the only one. Humanist values, on the other hand, are not negociable. Their recognitions is what make a modern nation-state a modern nation-state.
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2012/07/30 10:20:45
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
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Tadashi wrote:
But I'm certainly not your student, am I now? And for someone who values individualism, you seem awfully determined to make me conform to your views. I have nothing left to say but you are a hypocrite.
There is nothing hypocritical about failing someone if their logic is faulty, based on incorrect or poor interpretations of demonstratably incorrect, poor or misleading source data, regardless of what you think of their conclusions or your own beliefs.
If you said the earth was flat based on book 'X', would you argue I am a hypocrite for doing so, even though your position is demonstratably wrong and based on an interpretation of data that can be proven to be incorrect?
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2012/08/01 23:30:13
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
Some Throne-Forsaken Battlefield on the other side of the Galaxy
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Tadashi wrote:Kaldor wrote:Tadashi wrote:Kaldor wrote:Tadashi wrote:BOOORING... 
As opposed to what? A few statues and some names written in books?
So totalitarian states are better than democracies because, why exactly?
Because our names, legends, and achievements echo down the ages.
So what? Who cares?
Does it matter? That brief flare of a life filled with glorious achievement is more brilliant than long but unfulfilled life with no glory or achievement to remember you by. I certainly do not intend to end like that. I will see transhumanism achieved in my lifetime. I will see my work beginning a a great Human Empire across the stars built on xenocide. 40k has given purpose to my old dreams of transhumanism, and it is glorious!
Okay, I honestly have to ask:
Is this a troll?
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2012/08/05 05:38:35
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Zealous Sin-Eater
Montreal
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DOOMBREAD wrote:Okay, I honestly have to ask:
Is this a troll?
It's either a troll trolling us, or a troll trolling itself.
So the answer's yes. 
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