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2012/07/29 09:21:14
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Kovnik Obama wrote:Tadashi wrote: Fascist rant
Yeah, I care more about the wellbeing of my neighbours than about some statue. This makes me Pro-Decay and Stagnation. For feth sakes... How about writing an interesting book, if you want to go down in the annals. Aristotle did more for the world then Alexander ... And his name is still mentionned 2300 years later.
Yeah, and so is the name of Alexander the Great, aka Iskander, Maharajah, the Father of Many Dynasties, the King of Conquerors, and many other titles beside.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/07/29 09:36:06
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Zealous Sin-Eater
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Tadashi wrote:Kovnik Obama wrote:Tadashi wrote: Fascist rant
Yeah, I care more about the wellbeing of my neighbours than about some statue. This makes me Pro-Decay and Stagnation. For feth sakes... How about writing an interesting book, if you want to go down in the annals. Aristotle did more for the world then Alexander ... And his name is still mentionned 2300 years later.
Yeah, and so is the name of Alexander the Great, aka Iskander, Maharajah, the Father of Many Dynasties, the King of Conquerors, and many other titles beside.
A whole lot of titles that mean nothing today. On the other side, Aristotle discovered the basis of syllogism, which, as the foundation of logic, enabled the entirety of the scientific endeavour. All the while not costing the lives of anyone Automatically Appended Next Post: Tadashi wrote: And last I looked, those nations and empires have achieved dizzying heights of glory and power democratic nations could never hope to achieve.
How about ''we democratic nations beat the crap out of your empire last time we fought'' for glory... 
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2012/07/29 09:48:16
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Kovnik Obama wrote:Tadashi wrote:Kovnik Obama wrote:Tadashi wrote: Fascist rant
Yeah, I care more about the wellbeing of my neighbours than about some statue. This makes me Pro-Decay and Stagnation. For feth sakes... How about writing an interesting book, if you want to go down in the annals. Aristotle did more for the world then Alexander ... And his name is still mentionned 2300 years later.
Yeah, and so is the name of Alexander the Great, aka Iskander, Maharajah, the Father of Many Dynasties, the King of Conquerors, and many other titles beside.
A whole lot of titles that mean nothing today. On the other side, Aristotle discovered the basis of syllogism, which, as the foundation of logic, enabled the entirety of the scientific endeavour. All the while not costing the lives of anyone
BOOORING... 
Tadashi wrote: And last I looked, those nations and empires have achieved dizzying heights of glory and power democratic nations could never hope to achieve.
How about ''we democratic nations beat the crap out of your empire last time we fought'' for glory...
And even in defeat, the Japanese Empire's goal of breaking Western power in Asia was successful - within a decade of the end of WWII, most Western colonies in the region had been granted independence. Though it would seem that the West is stretching forth its hand once more...I believe we can let China handle this for now, until the Sun rises once again.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/07/29 09:55:05
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Tadashi wrote: BOOORING...
We are talking about historical relevence, not entertainment. And even in defeat, the Japanese Empire's goal of breaking Western power in Asia was successful - within a decade of the end of WWII, most Western colonies in the region had been granted independence. Though it would seem that the West is stretching forth its hand once more...I believe we can let China handle this for now, until the Sun rises once again.
What? Oh for feth sake's, I won't do this anymore, it's just too hard to fight such ignorance. Eastern colonies were abandonned because colonialism was over. All over the world. We no longer needed to own you, since we could simply arrange prefered economical deals and let you feth each other's up. Way more simple. Lol. Japanese getting owned by the Americans was the cause for British and French colonies to withdraw... Simply hilarious...
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2012/07/29 09:59:41
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Kovnik Obama wrote:Tadashi wrote: BOOORING...
We are talking about historical relevence, not entertainment.
Right now I'm studying Material Science...if I succeed in my dream, the result would probably unleash a wave of carnage over the Earth as Transhumans and Humans fight each other over the definition of the word "Human". Mankind united in war achieves more than Mankind united in peace. And even in defeat, the Japanese Empire's goal of breaking Western power in Asia was successful - within a decade of the end of WWII, most Western colonies in the region had been granted independence. Though it would seem that the West is stretching forth its hand once more...I believe we can let China handle this for now, until the Sun rises once again.
What? Oh for feth sake's, I won't do this anymore, it's just too hard to fight such ignorance. Eastern colonies were abandonned because colonialism was over. All over the world. We no longer needed to own you, since we could simply arrange prefered economical deals and let you feth each other's up. Way more simple. Lol. Japanese getting owned by the Americans was the cause for British and French colonies to withdraw... Simply hilarious...
(snorts) Not even close. More like they didn't have the manpower or resources to restore colonial rule after the Japanese had given the colonies a taste (even with imposed pro-Japanese leaders) of self-rule.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/07/29 10:08:12
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Tadashi wrote:(snorts) Not even close. More like they didn't have the manpower or resources to restore colonial rule after the Japanese had given the colonies a taste (even with imposed pro-Japanese leaders) of self-rule.
I think it was more to do with the two fricking huge wars in Europe than the war in the Far East.
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2012/07/29 10:13:00
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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SilverMK2 wrote:Tadashi wrote:(snorts) Not even close. More like they didn't have the manpower or resources to restore colonial rule after the Japanese had given the colonies a taste (even with imposed pro-Japanese leaders) of self-rule.
I think it was more to do with the two fricking huge wars in Europe than the war in the Far East.
Correct, but Britain and France were so exhausted that they could not restore control over their colonies who had already tasted self-rule (even if it was an imposed pro-Japanese self-rule). America was busy trying to find a way to contain Japan without antagonizing its people that it (America) could not or would not assist its allies.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/07/30 19:45:09
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Tadashi wrote:BOOORING...
As opposed to what? A few statues and some names written in books?
So totalitarian states are better than democracies because, why exactly?
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"Did you ever notice how in the Bible, when ever God needed to punish someone, or make an example, or whenever God needed a killing, he sent an angel? Did you ever wonder what a creature like that must be like? A whole existence spent praising your God, but always with one wing dipped in blood. Would you ever really want to see an angel?" |
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2012/07/29 10:15:26
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Kaldor wrote:Tadashi wrote:BOOORING...
As opposed to what? A few statues and some names written in books?
So totalitarian states are better than democracies because, why exactly?
Because our names, legends, and achievements echo down the ages.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/07/29 10:22:18
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Tadashi wrote:Kaldor wrote:Tadashi wrote:BOOORING...
As opposed to what? A few statues and some names written in books?
So totalitarian states are better than democracies because, why exactly?
Because our names, legends, and achievements echo down the ages.
So what? Who cares?
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"Did you ever notice how in the Bible, when ever God needed to punish someone, or make an example, or whenever God needed a killing, he sent an angel? Did you ever wonder what a creature like that must be like? A whole existence spent praising your God, but always with one wing dipped in blood. Would you ever really want to see an angel?" |
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2012/07/29 10:26:33
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Kaldor wrote:Tadashi wrote:Kaldor wrote:Tadashi wrote:BOOORING...
As opposed to what? A few statues and some names written in books?
So totalitarian states are better than democracies because, why exactly?
Because our names, legends, and achievements echo down the ages.
So what? Who cares?
Does it matter? That brief flare of a life filled with glorious achievement is more brilliant than long but unfulfilled life with no glory or achievement to remember you by. I certainly do not intend to end like that. I will see transhumanism achieved in my lifetime. I will see my work beginning a a great Human Empire across the stars built on xenocide. 40k has given purpose to my old dreams of transhumanism, and it is glorious!
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/07/29 10:54:38
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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Tadashi wrote:Does it matter? That brief flare of a life filled with glorious achievement is more brilliant than long but unfulfilled life with no glory or achievement to remember you by.
Again, so what?
What makes a 'memorable' nation better than a boring one?
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"Did you ever notice how in the Bible, when ever God needed to punish someone, or make an example, or whenever God needed a killing, he sent an angel? Did you ever wonder what a creature like that must be like? A whole existence spent praising your God, but always with one wing dipped in blood. Would you ever really want to see an angel?" |
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2012/07/29 11:01:36
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Kaldor wrote:Tadashi wrote:Does it matter? That brief flare of a life filled with glorious achievement is more brilliant than long but unfulfilled life with no glory or achievement to remember you by.
Again, so what?
What makes a 'memorable' nation better than a boring one?
There's your answer. A memorable nation is greater than a boring one.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/07/29 17:44:25
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Tadashi wrote:
Right now I'm studying Material Science...if I succeed in my dream, the result would probably unleash a wave of carnage over the Earth as Transhumans and Humans fight each other over the definition of the word "Human". Mankind united in war achieves more than Mankind united in peace.
Well, looks like someone's destined for the loony bin.
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2012/07/29 23:44:17
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Tadashi wrote:There's your answer. A memorable nation is greater than a boring one.
Why?
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"Did you ever notice how in the Bible, when ever God needed to punish someone, or make an example, or whenever God needed a killing, he sent an angel? Did you ever wonder what a creature like that must be like? A whole existence spent praising your God, but always with one wing dipped in blood. Would you ever really want to see an angel?" |
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2012/07/29 23:50:11
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Kaldor wrote:Tadashi wrote:There's your answer. A memorable nation is greater than a boring one.
Why?
I would rather live in a nation that was peaceful and forgotten than one constantly at war and remembered.
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2012/07/30 01:40:59
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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rubiksnoob wrote:Kaldor wrote:Tadashi wrote:There's your answer. A memorable nation is greater than a boring one.
Why?
I would rather live in a nation that was peaceful and forgotten than one constantly at war and remembered.
And on top of things, it's not as if democratical nations will not go down as glorious nations ; killing fascists give plenty of opportunity for glory hounds. Our grand parents are known as 'the Greatest Generation', their grand parents are known as 'the generation with the highest percentage of suicide by grenade to head'...
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2012/07/30 05:26:01
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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rubiksnoob wrote:Kaldor wrote:Tadashi wrote:There's your answer. A memorable nation is greater than a boring one.
Why?
I would rather live in a nation that was peaceful and forgotten than one constantly at war and remembered.
The furnace of war drives evolution, change, and development, in order to maintain a lead on the enemy or to attain one. In peace, civilization will seek to maintain that peace, which ultimately leads to stagnation and decay, as any change could lead to conflict and an end to said peace. Conflict is the crucible of evolution - to prevent Mankind's extinction, we must embrace our nature, unite as one, and destroy everything that stands in our way. Let us wash our hands white in blood.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/07/30 05:37:42
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Tadashi wrote:rubiksnoob wrote:Kaldor wrote:Tadashi wrote:There's your answer. A memorable nation is greater than a boring one.
Why?
I would rather live in a nation that was peaceful and forgotten than one constantly at war and remembered.
The furnace of war drives evolution, change, and development, in order to maintain a lead on the enemy or to attain one. In peace, civilization will seek to maintain that peace, which ultimately leads to stagnation and decay, as any change could lead to conflict and an end to said peace. Conflict is the crucible of evolution - to prevent Mankind's extinction, we must embrace our nature, unite as one, and destroy everything that stands in our way. Let us wash our hands white in blood.
You're a total nut! Your posts read like bad 40k fanfic, I hope you realize that.
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2012/07/30 05:43:09
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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rubiksnoob wrote:Tadashi wrote:rubiksnoob wrote:Kaldor wrote:Tadashi wrote:There's your answer. A memorable nation is greater than a boring one.
Why?
I would rather live in a nation that was peaceful and forgotten than one constantly at war and remembered.
The furnace of war drives evolution, change, and development, in order to maintain a lead on the enemy or to attain one. In peace, civilization will seek to maintain that peace, which ultimately leads to stagnation and decay, as any change could lead to conflict and an end to said peace. Conflict is the crucible of evolution - to prevent Mankind's extinction, we must embrace our nature, unite as one, and destroy everything that stands in our way. Let us wash our hands white in blood.
You're a total nut! Your posts read like bad 40k fanfic, I hope you realize that.
Perhaps. But then again, so is Darwinian Trans-Humanism. And sometimes, there is no difference between insanity and brilliance.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/07/30 05:47:46
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Tadashi wrote:
The furnace of war drives evolution, change, and development, in order to maintain a lead on the enemy or to attain one. In peace, civilization will seek to maintain that peace, which ultimately leads to stagnation and decay, as any change could lead to conflict and an end to said peace. Conflict is the crucible of evolution - to prevent Mankind's extinction, we must embrace our nature, unite as one, and destroy everything that stands in our way. Let us wash our hands white in blood.
You haven't studied 'Material Science' very well then, at least not the part on evolution. Conflictual relationships are in no way the prefered mean of evolution. Hell, we could evolve beyond single cell organisms only because the cooperative synthesis of larger cells with mitochondria allowed for a larger energy output. Altruistic relationships are also noted at the cellular level (best exemple being where one cell amongst a colony starve itself to allow for the others to mount it's corpse so that the colony survives lower temperatures by rising above the colder surface). Moral qualities, not warlike qualities are the main reason why social animals prosper so well on Earth. And while there's a lot of credit to be given to competition, that's not the same as war. War, or selection based on violence, is actually one of the worst form of evolutionary drive, because life-forms that thrive on conflict always risks more than those relying on a more balanced fight or flee approach. Basically, even if the lion is succesful in his hunt, he might still get injured to the point where his genes will no longer be passed over, meaning his successful engagement in a conflict will still see him losing on the evolutionary scale. Automatically Appended Next Post: Tadashi wrote:Perhaps. But then again, so is Darwinian Trans-Humanism. And sometimes, there is no difference between insanity and brilliance.
No it doesn't. H+ has nothing to do with Ubermensch fighting for planetary control. Stop making gak up.
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2012/07/30 05:50:45
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Perhaps. But then again, so is Darwinian Trans-Humanism. And sometimes, there is no difference between insanity and brilliance.
Hmmm. I detect small differences here and there. But that aside, how does transhumanism figure into your plans for catastrophic world domination?
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2012/07/30 05:54:24
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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You haven't studied 'Material Science' very well then, at least not the part on evolution. Conflictual relationships are in no way the prefered mean of evolution. Hell, we could evolve beyond single cell organisms only because the cooperative synthesis of larger cells with mitochondria allowed for a larger energy output. Altruistic relationships are also noted at the cellular level (best exemple being where one cell amongst a colony starve itself to allow for the others to mount it's corpse so that the colony survives lower temperatures by rising above the colder surface). Moral qualities, not warlike qualities are the main reason why social animals prosper so well on Earth.
And while there's a lot of credit to be given to competition, that's not the same as war. War, or selection based on violence, is actually one of the worst form of evolutionary drive, because life-forms that thrive on conflict always risks more than those relying on a more balanced fight or flee approach. Basically, even if the lion is succesful in his hunt, he might still get injured to the point where his genes will no longer be passed over, meaning his successful engagement in a conflict will still see him losing on the evolutionary scale.
Strong species endure, weak species are destroyed. I would rather not see my species supplanted by another - if that were to happen, we should just reduce Earth to a radioactive waste than let someone else have it. My dream is to combine genetic engineering with nanotechnology to allow us to control our evolution and genetic potential at will. No longer will 'Law of Nature' guide our biological development, but rather the the 'Law of Man'. Complete freedom brings about the abandonment of morals. It will bring about destruction. In an orderly society, people fully enjoy limited freedom. They're happier that way, protected in a cage. Kovnik Obama wrote:
No it doesn't. H+ has nothing to do with Ubermensch fighting for planetary control. Stop making gak up.
rubiksnoob wrote:Tadashi wrote:
Perhaps. But then again, so is Darwinian Trans-Humanism. And sometimes, there is no difference between insanity and brilliance.
Hmmm. I detect small differences here and there. But that aside, how does transhumanism figure into your plans for catastrophic world domination?
Those who 'have' cannot understand those that 'do not have', and vice-versa. It is inevitable that many Humans will oppose Trans-Humans out of jealousy and fear. I will probably be denounced by religious groups...even my mother says Trans-Humans are monsters and tries to talk me out of the concept. But...what defines a 'Human'? Is a Trans-Human 'inhuman' because of his/her enhanced abilities? Humanity must choose, destruction or rebirth, to accept the call of destiny or to languish in fear of the future and stagnate into impotence.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/07/30 06:02:02
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Zealous Sin-Eater
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Tadashi wrote:Strong species endure, weak species are destroyed.
No, species adapted to respond well to particular change of environmental forces thrive, while those that aren't slowly die, or become niched. As evidenced by human beings descending from social, mid-level omnivorous primates rather than apex predator, nature seem to deem that social 'jacks of all trades' are much better than predatory specialists. No longer will 'Law of Nature' guide our biological development, but rather the the 'Law of Man'.
It already doesn't. Again, go fething read a book on evolution, because you seem to lack the simplest understanding of it. We no longer biologically evolve because we have set ourself into a calcified state where the environmental influences of nature doesn't reach us. It's called civilisation. Automatically Appended Next Post: Tadashi wrote: But...what defines a 'Human'?
A rational animal. See, Aristotle could' ve taught you that.
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2012/07/30 06:07:35
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Tadashi wrote:
Those who 'have' cannot understand those that 'do not have', and vice-versa. It is inevitable that many Humans will oppose Trans-Humans out of jealousy and fear. I will probably be denounced by religious groups...even my mother says Trans-Humans are monsters and tries to talk me out of the concept. But...what defines a 'Human'? Is a Trans-Human 'inhuman' because of his/her enhanced abilities? Humanity must choose, destruction or rebirth, to accept the call of destiny or to languish in fear of the future and stagnate into impotence.
Because in the dark future of the 41st millenium. . . there is only war! You are a laugh and a half, man. I think you'd do better writing for the Black Library than with all this World War 4, Tranny Edition nonsense. Listen to your mother. Don't you japanese dudes revere your elders?
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2012/07/30 06:10:11
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Zealous Sin-Eater
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Tadashi wrote:Those who 'have' cannot understand those that 'do not have', and vice-versa. It is inevitable that many Humans will oppose Trans-Humans out of jealousy and fear.
I'm a transhumanist. You aren't. Transhumanism isn't about making Ubermensch to face evolutionary challenges, it's about integrating technology in the most complete synthesis possible with human life. Here, Nick Bostrom will tell you about H+...
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/nick_bostrom_on_our_biggest_problems.html
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2012/07/30 06:16:08
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Kovnik Obama wrote:Tadashi wrote:Strong species endure, weak species are destroyed.
No, species adapted to respond well to particular change of environmental forces thrive, while those that aren't slowly die, or become niched. As evidenced by human beings descending from social, mid-level omnivorous primates rather than apex predator, nature seem to deem that social 'jacks of all trades' are much better than predatory specialists.
Homo sapiens neanderthalis disagree, seeing as our species drove them into extinction...the first of many, both non-sentient and sentient alike. We would be shaming ourselves and all we have destroyed if we do not deliver equal treatment to any other threats to not just our survival, but also domination.
No longer will 'Law of Nature' guide our biological development, but rather the the 'Law of Man'.
It already doesn't. Again, go fething read a book on evolution, because you seem to lack the simplest understanding of it. We no longer biologically evolve because we have set ourself into a calcified state where the environmental influences of nature doesn't reach us. It's called civilisation.
My point exactly. We have begun to stagnate already...if nature cannot or will not favor us, we must take hold of our destiny and create it, even if it means soaking our hands in the blood of other species.
Tadashi wrote: But...what defines a 'Human'?
A rational animal. See, Aristotle could' ve taught you that.
You really think normal Humans will accept Trans-Humans for what they are? How foolish. Hatred and jealousy of Trans-Humans will burn in all their infernal glory.
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rubiksnoob wrote:
Listen to your mother. Don't you japanese dudes revere your elders?
Yup. And she was the same woman who told me to follow my dreams and ideals regardless of what other people think.
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Kovnik Obama wrote:Tadashi wrote:Those who 'have' cannot understand those that 'do not have', and vice-versa. It is inevitable that many Humans will oppose Trans-Humans out of jealousy and fear.
I'm a transhumanist. You aren't. Transhumanism isn't about making Ubermensch to face evolutionary challenges, it's about integrating technology in the most complete synthesis possible with human life. Here, Nick Bostrom will tell you about H+...
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/nick_bostrom_on_our_biggest_problems.html
But then again, I'm not a member of H+, am I? I'm a Nietzschean/Darwinian Trans-Humanist.
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Tadashi wrote:Kovnik Obama wrote:Tadashi wrote:Strong species endure, weak species are destroyed.
No, species adapted to respond well to particular change of environmental forces thrive, while those that aren't slowly die, or become niched. As evidenced by human beings descending from social, mid-level omnivorous primates rather than apex predator, nature seem to deem that social 'jacks of all trades' are much better than predatory specialists.
Homo sapiens neanderthalis disagree, seeing as our species drove them into extinction...the first of many, both non-sentient and sentient alike. We would be shaming ourselves and all we have destroyed if we do not deliver equal treatment to any other threats to not just our survival, but also domination.
No longer will 'Law of Nature' guide our biological development, but rather the the 'Law of Man'.
It already doesn't. Again, go fething read a book on evolution, because you seem to lack the simplest understanding of it. We no longer biologically evolve because we have set ourself into a calcified state where the environmental influences of nature doesn't reach us. It's called civilisation.
My point exactly. We have begun to stagnate already...if nature cannot or will not favor us, we must take hold of our destiny and create it, even if it means soaking our hands in the blood of other species.
Tadashi wrote: But...what defines a 'Human'?
A rational animal. See, Aristotle could' ve taught you that.
You really think normal Humans will accept Trans-Humans for what they are? How foolish. Hatred and jealousy of Trans-Humans will burn in all their infernal glory.
rubiksnoob wrote:
Listen to your mother. Don't you japanese dudes revere your elders?
Yup. And she was the same woman who told me to follow my dreams and ideals regardless of what other people think.
Kovnik Obama wrote:Tadashi wrote:Those who 'have' cannot understand those that 'do not have', and vice-versa. It is inevitable that many Humans will oppose Trans-Humans out of jealousy and fear.
I'm a transhumanist. You aren't. Transhumanism isn't about making Ubermensch to face evolutionary challenges, it's about integrating technology in the most complete synthesis possible with human life. Here, Nick Bostrom will tell you about H+...
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/nick_bostrom_on_our_biggest_problems.html
But then again, I'm not a member of H+, am I? I'm a Nietzschean/Darwinian Trans-Humanist.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/07/30 06:23:17
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Zealous Sin-Eater
Montreal
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Tadashi wrote:Homo sapiens neanderthalis[/i] disagree, seeing as our species drove them into extinction...
Except we probably didn't. Its only one of several hypothesis, and one that isn't supported by any facts. Other theories, such has assimilation, have factual evidence to back them up. Nietzsche's Ubermensch is a moral concept, it has nothing to do with transhumanism. I bet your prime source on Nieztsche is Andromeda... It also helps understanding that Nietzsche had the maturity of a angsty 14 years old. A great philologue/author, but his actual concepts were laughable... Pretty much just like yours, except he didn't rely mostly on bad science fiction... Also, in about 11 years of reading on transhumanism, I've never heard it being refered as Darwinian Transhumanism. Transhumanism is post-darwinian, by logic...
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2012/07/30 06:28:15
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Kovnik Obama wrote:Tadashi wrote:Homo sapiens neanderthalis[/i] disagree, seeing as our species drove them into extinction...
Except we probably didn't. Its only one of several hypothesis, and one that isn't supported by any facts. Other theories, such has assimilation, have factual evidence to back them up.
I prefer the former. Its cleaner. The fact that no real conclusion has been made yet, means the hypothesis can still be considered valid.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/07/30 06:34:04
Subject: The Imperium at its opposite!
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Zealous Sin-Eater
Montreal
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Tadashi wrote:Kovnik Obama wrote:Tadashi wrote:Homo sapiens neanderthalis[/i] disagree, seeing as our species drove them into extinction...
Except we probably didn't. Its only one of several hypothesis, and one that isn't supported by any facts. Other theories, such has assimilation, have factual evidence to back them up.
I prefer the former. Its cleaner. The fact that no real conclusion has been made yet, means the hypothesis can still be considered valid.
Your preference doesn't have anything to do with it. For feth sake's, do you have to barest understanding of what science is??? Homo Sapiens cohabited for 12 000 years with Homo Neanderthalis, we have not a single mass grave to indicate violent conflict on a racial scale, and as of 2010, we have DNA evidence that Eurasians have Neanderthal genetic baggage in them....
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