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**Zanderchief**

Imprisoned Primarch what?

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Imprisoned Primarch what?

**Alpharius**

Fluff in the new Necron Codex has one of the new wackadoodle Necron Lords keeping a really big marine in stasis, or something like that...

**Vain**

A large marine in "Baroque" armour. So yeah, someone in cool old school armour...

**Absolon**

Lockark wrote:Has their been any new modles from forge world put on display this year at games day yet? Or is that a negative this year?

Nothing new was on display

**Buttons**

Just Dave wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:
Compel wrote:How about making rules for Primarches and not giving any points for them?
Then you go for 'you can only field a primarch if your opponent fields one.

Good idea. What again was the name of the Tyranid Primarch?

Just ally with an Imperial army. Problem solved.

Except Nids can't take allies, and if you are trying to be fluffy they certainly can't take a primarch. Just give them stats, wargear, rules, and a cost just like every other model, there have been rules for the most powerful greater daemons ever summoned there can be rules for primarchs.

**HungryTaz**

Will there be a Stormbird? It features so heavily in the novels as the Thunderhawk is just getting deployed during the Heresy.

I'd love to finally have a visual of what the heck a Stormbird looks like. It'll be a BIG model if they do produce it, so I don't think I'd buy one... though maybe.

**Kanluwen**

HungryTaz wrote:Will there be a Stormbird? It features so heavily in the novels as the Thunderhawk is just getting deployed during the Heresy.

I'd love to finally have a visual of what the heck a Stormbird looks like. It'll be a BIG model if they do produce it, so I don't think I'd buy one... though maybe.

The Stormbird would be the same size as a Manta--at least.

The likelihood of them doing a Stormbird is the same as porcine aviators clogging up skylanes.

**Absolon**

shank911 wrote:Did no one ask if FW/GW are working on making FW legal in GW games?

From Alan's perspective the indicating if something is for Apoc or 40K, was intended to resolve that issue. His opinion was that we will not get a blanket statement though because that may cause more issues.

**cgmckenzie**

I'm excited; the HH is the only novels that I can actually get into. All the 40K novels feel very much like a stalemate because they can't have any universe changing events. The HH was the most recent, large scale event that actually changed something.

-cgmckenzie

**Eisenhorn**

Kroothawk wrote:
Compel wrote:How about making rules for Primarches and not giving any points for them?
Then you go for 'you can only field a primarch if your opponent fields one.

Good idea. What again was the name of the Tyranid Primarch?

Guess they are going to have to make the MegaAracnid then

**Absolon**

HungryTaz wrote:Will there be a Stormbird? It features so heavily in the novels as the Thunderhawk is just getting deployed during the Heresy.

I'd love to finally have a visual of what the heck a Stormbird looks like. It'll be a BIG model if they do produce it, so I don't think I'd buy one... though maybe.

It was brought up during the seminar. Alan indicated there is a division within the studio of exactly what a stormbird is, let alone what it should look like. Apparently some think it is a class of ships with many variants and sizes.

**Eisenhorn**

From what I hear behind the scenes that is exactly what is starting to happen.
The older guys with the Egos are getting to the age of retirement now and the new blood are rabid 40k fans like you and me.
Think of it as a Second Founding
I see ADB as being part of this,ther is no denying his books are great because you can tell he loves 40k and more importantly grew up with it.
I mean Black Library used to put out 28mm dioramas and they always go for a mint on E-bay

**TyraelVladinhurst**

Nvs wrote:Well this puts a damper on my desire to start Dark Angels when the book comes out. Can't use the same models for both games since their armor changes color. Maybe if I just paint them black with green highlights to give the impression of green armor it will work out.

Hopefully the primarch models don't disappoint. They shouldn't be more than a head larger than normal marines, right?

Is there anything else major we need for the heresy books model wise? We already have land raider and rhino kits for pre-heresy. All the armor kits and weapons. Perhaps official jetbikes, which would make a Dark Angels player happy (please god let them have an actual jetbike unit!). An official custodian army would be a welcome site too.

sisters of silence, saber tank hunters, hunter aa tanks, mark 1 thunder armor, the imperial grav tank, the storm bird, fellblades, and Cataphractii terminator armor are all missing yet

**Kroothawk**

Harry wrote:
Yeah I have it in my head there are only 3 books due?

Thats because I posted about this in the 2012 releases a while ago and said there were three books planned.

We will see the first book at GD UK this year.

**Commander Cain**

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:
Nvs wrote:Well this puts a damper on my desire to start Dark Angels when the book comes out. Can't use the same models for both games since their armor changes color. Maybe if I just paint them black with green highlights to give the impression of green armor it will work out.

Hopefully the primarch models don't disappoint. They shouldn't be more than a head larger than normal marines, right?

Is there anything else major we need for the heresy books model wise? We already have land raider and rhino kits for pre-heresy. All the armor kits and weapons. Perhaps official jetbikes, which would make a Dark Angels player happy (please god let them have an actual jetbike unit!). An official custodian army would be a welcome site too.

sisters of silence, saber tank hunters, hunter aa tanks, mark 1 thunder armor, the imperial grav tank, the storm bird, fellblades, and Cataphractii terminator armor are all missing yet

Don't forget HH landspeeders! Some of the older designs of drop pods would be cool to have as well.

**TyraelVladinhurst**

Commander Cain wrote:
TyraelVladinhurst wrote:
Nvs wrote:Well this puts a damper on my desire to start Dark Angels when the book comes out. Can't use the same models for both games since their armor changes color. Maybe if I just paint them black with green highlights to give the impression of green armor it will work out.

Hopefully the primarch models don't disappoint. They shouldn't be more than a head larger than normal marines, right?

Is there anything else major we need for the heresy books model wise? We already have land raider and rhino kits for pre-heresy. All the armor kits and weapons. Perhaps official jetbikes, which would make a Dark Angels player happy (please god let them have an actual jetbike unit!). An official custodian army would be a welcome site too.

sisters of silence, saber tank hunters, hunter aa tanks, mark 1 thunder armor, the imperial grav tank, the storm bird, fellblades, and Cataphractii terminator armor are all missing yet

Don't forget HH landspeeders! Some of the older designs of drop pods would be cool to have as well.

yes them too, hopefully the mark 2 not the mark 1. also remember imperial army had the land raider, land speeder, and rhino. hopefully we'll also see the mechanicus and knights

**Platuan4th**

Buttons wrote:
Just Dave wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:
Compel wrote:How about making rules for Primarches and not giving any points for them?
Then you go for 'you can only field a primarch if your opponent fields one.

Good idea. What again was the name of the Tyranid Primarch?

Just ally with an Imperial army. Problem solved.

Except Nids can't take allies, and if you are trying to be fluffy they certainly can't take a primarch. Just give them stats, wargear, rules, and a cost just like every other model, there have been rules for the most powerful greater daemons ever summoned there can be rules for primarchs.

If you're trying to be fluffy, you wouldn't play Nids during the HH.

**Eisenhorn**

Says who the Heresy is large and many battles went unrecorded.
Who knows how far the scouts are from the hive splinter.
The Tyran incident is when the Hive splinter first arrived but the bulk of the hive arriving shortly after 40km999.
I can see FW making Nid upgrade kits to turn them into Mega-Aracnid.
Hell it would get me to buy a box of warriors

**Buttons**

Platuan4th wrote:
Buttons wrote:
Just Dave wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:
Compel wrote:How about making rules for Primarches and not giving any points for them?
Then you go for 'you can only field a primarch if your opponent fields one.

Good idea. What again was the name of the Tyranid Primarch?

Just ally with an Imperial army. Problem solved.

Except Nids can't take allies, and if you are trying to be fluffy they certainly can't take a primarch. Just give them stats, wargear, rules, and a cost just like every other model, there have been rules for the most powerful greater daemons ever summoned there can be rules for primarchs.

If you're trying to be fluffy, you wouldn't play Nids during the HH.

Actually, looking at the Swarmlord, it is probably the Tyranid equivalent to a primarch in fighting prowess. WS 9, I 6, 4 attacks, 5 wounds.

**Lockark**

Absolon wrote:
Lockark wrote:Has their been any new modles from forge world put on display this year at games day yet? Or is that a negative this year?

Nothing new was on display

I just want to say thanks. I've been confused why we haven't gotten a flood of upcoming Forge world goodies this year.

=S

**carabine**

Lockark wrote:
Absolon wrote:
Lockark wrote:Has their been any new modles from forge world put on display this year at games day yet? Or is that a negative this year?

Nothing new was on display

I just want to say thanks. I've been confused why we haven't gotten a flood of upcoming Forge world goodies this year.

=S

Yeah regardless of the announcement or the fact that it's slated for only 1-3 months out I'd still like to see prototypes and examples on display at GD. Aside from Forge World displays and announcements there doesn't seem to be a point to paying attention to GD.

**Kroothawk**

Platuan4th wrote:If you're trying to be fluffy, you wouldn't play Nids during the HH.

... or leave no enemy alive to tell

Anyway, from Warseer:

simonbeard wrote:Spoke with Alan Bligh at Games Day US (real nice chap), and he told me the following:

1. The deadline the fine folks at Forge World have given themselves is to have dolls for all the entries from the first Monstrous Arcanum book out by Summer 2013.

2. There's going to be a story-driven book like Tamurkhan released every one or two years with new dolls and rules and focusing on different armies (next one is Empire + Dwarves vs. Orcs + Goblins and it focuses on a single battle; but we already knew that). These story-driven scenario/campaign/rule books will come out alongside new Monstrous Arcanum books as they are finished.

**kronk**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
kronk wrote:Why? This is covered in every IA book. With Opponent's permission.

'Cept that's not what it says in every IA book.

Every IA book has something very similar to this in the front of the book.

"As with all our models these should be considered 'official', but owing to the fact they may be unknown to your opponent, it's best to make sure they are happy to play a game using Forge World models before you start. "

Tell me an IA book without something very similar to this sentence. FW is no different from planet strike or cities of death or any other expansion. Tournament Organizers can allow them or not, players can agree to play them or not. I can also turn down a game against your allied Tau and Ultramarines.

But we're way off-topic.

**HungryTaz**

I'm certainly excited about this. However, I'm bummed there hasn't been any nice photos posted from Games Day of stuff in the Forgeworld case.

I had planned on attending Games Day and it looks like I made the wise decision to not travel halfway across the country.

**Lockark**

kronk wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
kronk wrote:Why? This is covered in every IA book. With Opponent's permission.

'Cept that's not what it says in every IA book.

Every IA book has something very similar to this in the front of the book.

"As with all our models these should be considered 'official', but owing to the fact they may be unknown to your opponent, it's best to make sure they are happy to play a game using Forge World models before you start. "

Tell me an IA book without something very similar to this sentence. FW is no different from planet strike or cities of death or any other expansion. Tournament Organizers can allow them or not, players can agree to play them or not. I can also turn down a game against your allied Tau and Ultramarines.

But we're way off-topic.

Doesn't Imperial Armour apoc vol.1:2ed say something along the lines that one should consider the "approved for normal 40k units" as officle as any codex? But because people may not be that familiar with the units, to make sure you have the book/unit entries on hand for your opponents convenience?

I seem to bassicly remember it out right saying that you shouldn't need your opponent's permission to use the units.

Other wise all the other IA books are bassicly "ask your opponents permission lul, k?"

**kronk**

Lockark, read my post. That quote is directly out of IA:Apocalypse 2nd Edition.

"As with all our models these should be considered 'official', but owing to the fact they may be unknown to your opponent, it's best to make sure they are happy to play a game using Forge World models before you start. "

This is not new. This doesn't change anything. These are more or less the same words used in all of the IA books.

I'm disappointed that there aren't more pictures coming out of Games Day. Weren't there tons of pictures last year of new stuff? The Video where they first unveiled the Contemptor Dreadnought, the IA11 book and contents preview?

**Lockark**

kronk wrote:Lockark, read my post. That quote is directly out of IA:Apocalypse 2nd Edition.

I don't own any of the IA books. If I use something from one of them, it's because I photocopied the entry from a friend's book. You also didn't actually say were the quote came from in you post.
=U

I was legit asking a question, as that's why there is a question mark.... So don't go biting my head off now, because I didn't magically know were you got the quote from ok?

**kronk**

I wasn't biting your head off. If you're picking up hostility from my post, it wasn't what I was attempting to insert in it. You're inserting that perception yourself, I'm afraid.

Regardless, even before the post I put up:
"Every IA book has something very similar to this in the front of the book." IA: Apoc 2nd Edition (Horrible name, by the way), isn't any different in that regard.

**logg_frogg**

This whole thing just sounds expensive...... For me....

**kronk**

logg_frogg wrote:This whole thing just sounds expensive...... For me....

This should be dropping around the time of the rumored Chaos codex, which I want to start. It will be a very expensive time at my house...