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I'd love some Custodes models. Maybe not an army, but rather an Allied squad.

I love Marines and I want some cool Marine stuff, but I think the HH is a nice time to do some weirdness for other armies. Make it fun for everyone.

kenshin620 wrote:

Maelstrom808 wrote:Any word on IA 12?

Did you skip Kroot's post?

Kroothawk wrote:From Warseer:

vaughany86 wrote:Necrons are getting Imperial Armour 12 sometime around Christmas, people have been wanting Primarch models for literally years, this series should be awesome

AngelofSorrow wrote:It must also be stated that Alan was adamant that these are a seperate series to Imperial Armor. He also stated that every major race will have their time to shine in the Imperial Armor series of books. Necrons are up next to the stage where they will be taking on the Death Korps of Krieg and the Minotaurs chapter.

So there is hope that the next years are not only filled with the umpteenth versions of shoulder pads.

Must have scanned too quick past it. Sounds like an awesome year from FW.

I wonder ... will Heresey Era Angron be better or worse than the Demon Primarch they made stats for? Will Magnus the Red be able to blast an Ork Stompa into smithereens? Hm ...

WANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I could care less about rules, much more looking foreword to new models to use in my CSM army.

I can sadly see myself buying all the Primarch models, and probably the majority of the named character models, if/when they exist, for no reason other than to have them..

Well, you couldn't pay me to give less of a crap about the hours heresy. Primary models, maybe, but the horus heresy has been talked about to death and I have no interest in seeing it plastered everywhere again.

I am extremely excited for this myself, it gives me an excuse to field an Alpha Legion Force.

Damn, now I am torn between a pre-heresy army or a Badab war army. If Garviel Loken gets rules, I will have my decision made for me.

Honestly, I jumped out of my chair when it said Horus Heresy. I didn't expect that at all.

Happygrunt wrote:Damn, now I am torn between a pre-heresy army or a Badab war army. If Garviel Loken gets rules, I will have my decision made for me.

Honestly, I jumped out of my chair when it said Horus Heresy. I didn't expect that at all.

Well, if you want to do Pre-heresy army and a Badab war army, just go with Salamanders?

ShatteredBlade wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:Damn, now I am torn between a pre-heresy army or a Badab war army. If Garviel Loken gets rules, I will have my decision made for me.

Honestly, I jumped out of my chair when it said Horus Heresy. I didn't expect that at all.

Well, if you want to do Pre-heresy army and a Badab war army, just go with Salamanders?

More like it is between Pre Heresy Ultra Marines or Luna Wolves and Badab War Executioners.

Happygrunt wrote:

ShatteredBlade wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:Damn, now I am torn between a pre-heresy army or a Badab war army. If Garviel Loken gets rules, I will have my decision made for me.

Honestly, I jumped out of my chair when it said Horus Heresy. I didn't expect that at all.

Well, if you want to do Pre-heresy army and a Badab war army, just go with Salamanders?

More like it is between Pre Heresy Ultra Marines or Luna Wolves and Badab War Executioners.

Honestly, I would think it'd be awesome to have a Pre Heresy Luna Wolves. I myself plan on a Pre Heresy Raven Guard.

Noisy_Marine wrote:I wonder ... will Heresey Era Angron be better or worse than the Demon Primarch they made stats for? Will Magnus the Red be able to blast an Ork Stompa into smithereens? Hm ...

This is kinda why I don't want the Primarchs to have rules at all. Make miniatures by all means - I'd be interested to see FW's take on the Primarchs and the Emperor - but I don't want to see them in games.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Noisy_Marine wrote:I wonder ... will Heresey Era Angron be better or worse than the Demon Primarch they made stats for? Will Magnus the Red be able to blast an Ork Stompa into smithereens? Hm ...

This is kinda why I don't want the Primarchs to have rules at all. Make miniatures by all means - I'd be interested to see FW's take on the Primarchs and the Emperor - but I don't want to see them in games.

I'm unsure how they would be able to include the Primarchs, if they're too strong everyone will be crying cheese and bringing up the rending pony. Too weak and they'll all complain. It'll be a mess.

Exactly. Representing Primarch's in the rules either means you have units that are so god-like in their power that the entire game revolves around them, or they're so nerfed that they're just Captain w/+1 W and +1WS, which doesn't do the fluff any justice.

Best leave them without rules. Period. Avoid the whole problem.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Exactly. Representing Primarch's in the rules either means you have units that are so god-like in their power that the entire game revolves around them, or they're so nerfed that they're just Captain w/+1 W and +1WS, which doesn't do the fluff any justice.

Best leave them without rules. Period. Avoid the whole problem.

I would say that the best way to deal with this would to be that the players are going to be the company or "chapter" that is " off screen and to the left" for the campaigns. In so much as that during the Istvaan Drop sight Massacre the rules could be, " Your Legions primarch has taken to the field, your space marines are filled with * blab blah blah*" and each legion type would receive a bonus based upon their primarch as well as other stipulations.

ShatteredBlade wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Exactly. Representing Primarch's in the rules either means you have units that are so god-like in their power that the entire game revolves around them, or they're so nerfed that they're just Captain w/+1 W and +1WS, which doesn't do the fluff any justice.

Best leave them without rules. Period. Avoid the whole problem.

I would say that the best way to deal with this would to be that the players are going to be the company or "chapter" that is " off screen and to the left" for the campaigns. In so much as that during the Istvaan Drop sight Massacre the rules could be, " Your Legions primarch has taken to the field, your space marines are filled with * blab blah blah*" and each legion type would receive a bonus based upon their primarch as well as other stipulations.

I want rules for Primarchs!!!!!!! All of them, even the two that are not spoken of!!!! H.B.M.C. is wrong!!! (That's as close to "polite" as I get.)

Kroothawk wrote:From Warseer:

vaughany86 wrote:Necrons are getting Imperial Armour 12 sometime around Christmas, people have been wanting Primarch models for literally years, this series should be awesome

AngelofSorrow wrote:It must also be stated that Alan was adamant that these are a seperate series to Imperial Armor. He also stated that every major race will have their time to shine in the Imperial Armor series of books. Necrons are up next to the stage where they will be taking on the Death Korps of Krieg and the Minotaurs chapter.

So there is hope that the next years are not only filled with the umpteenth versions of shoulder pads.

God i hope so

Noisy_Marine wrote:I wonder ... will Heresey Era Angron be better or worse than the Demon Primarch they made stats for? Will Magnus the Red be able to blast an Ork Stompa into smithereens? Hm ...

Worse.
Daemonically 'enhanced', Angron was around the height of a Warhound (Titan). Normally Primarchs are larger than your usual Astartes, but not hugely so and definitely no bigger than a Dreadnought.

Pretty sure Angron wasn't daemon-ificated by the HH though. However, IIRC Mortarion should've been by the Siege of Terra...

Marines are quite a bit more powerful in the fluff than their statlines might suggest. I don't see a reason why it should be different with primarchs.

If they make figures of Primarchs then I might actually buy some GW again! Hope they do, it's long overdue.

UltraPrime wrote:I'd bet real money this book will be on sale at UK GD.

So would I, notice the steady ramp up of HH era kit and armour for SM's in the last year ... just hope the Mechanicus/um gets a look in.

PhilB

Be fun to do a small HH army, but I'm not going to go mad buying things (probably)

Garro's loyal Death Guard maybe...

While I want the Dark Eldar to have their day in the Imperial Armour sun, and apparently there are rumors that a rough draft was sent back for being too dark (how cool is that?), I'm also really excited to see some HH shenanigans! With or without rules I say bring on the Primarch models!

Emperor's Scourge wrote:I asked him if there would be any Xenos armies covered in the HH series. He said no.
They will be covering all of the major battles though. Like Calth, Isstvan, and Prospero etc etc etc.

Frgt/10 wrote:The DE book got pushed until after the necron/minotaur one. The Tzeench/TSons/Penal Colony book got scraped and replaced by the necron/minotaur one

I can see these being an occasional series of books than one after the other, I'd expect perhaps one a year with supporting minis and them a more mainstream 40K IA book (or books) between the HH ones

PhilB

If they try and make rules for the Primarchs and such, it'll be a mess. Just like C'tan from the 3rd ed. Necron book, you'll never be able to do them justice on the table top without either throwing all balance to the wind, or putting their point costs so high that they simply aren't worth taking.

tree667 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxvPh...ayer_embedded#!

here is link from warseer of video.

Oh in other news anyone wanna buy some used wheelchair or childern I need more money for models!

Broken link?

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Or maybe - given how abundant they were back then compared to modern 40K - Adeptus Custodes!

I hadn't even thought of that - but I hope you're right, and I'd bet you are!

Bring it all on, including Primarchs!

As d-usa already mentioned, if you can field Titans, surely they can figure out Primarchs, right?

To be honest I love how they were represented here

http://www.tempusfugitives.co.uk/pdf/40k/AotE%20Expansion.pdf