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AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Noisy_Marine wrote:

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

He doesn't just banish Mortarion, he rapes Mortarion. Alone and unaided he kills Mortarion's bodyguard, knocks the daemon primarch to the ground, holds him down as if he were his kid brother and carves a name on his heart.

And that's not all he's done either. He walks around the Warp destroying the Realm of Chaos with impunity and the Chaos gods themselves are powerless to stop him. No one else in the setting - not even the Emperor - has ever been able to do this.

True Dat. Ward made Draigo effectively more powerful than the Emperor. That's the problem. No one should be more powerful than the Big E. Except maybe the Chaos gods, but that is another thread.

Hyperbole much? How is he more powerful than the Emperor? The Emperor made the entire World Eaters Legion kneel before him with a snap of his fingers, he completely erased Horus while the latter was under the effects of some serious Chaos Kool-aid.

Besides, why would the Emperor bother destroying stuff that will just fix itself again? I don't know how many times it's been said, but nothing Draigo does in the Warp matters at all.

It was Word Bearers. Anyway, anyone who gets sucked into the warp is supposed to turn into a spawn or come out as some sort of mutated monstrositie. And even the Emperor didn't ever choose to enter the warp, as far as we know. Draigo should've been spawned the moment he entered the warp, regardless of how powerful he is. The fact that nothing he does matters is irrelevant. He shouldn't have been able to do anything in the first place. Because that is how the warp is supposed to work. Now if Draigo can walk around the warp doing stuff, maybe other characters could do it too? Maybe next we will see Tigurius or some other psyker running around in the warp for gaks and giggles. And that just isn't supposed to happen. What of the rules of the setting is that anything that goes into the warp dies a horrible death or gets mutated and comes back out as something else entirely.

So Ward breaks a fundamental rule of the setting and people are ok with that? Would you like it if he next wrote that the Eldar are not dying, and are actually making a huge comeback? Or that Orks are actually a race of miners and craftsman? Can you imagine the backlash that would cause from Ork players?

AlmightyWalrus wrote:I don't know how many times it's been said, but nothing Draigo does in the Warp matters at all.

We don't really know if this is the case. How much effort does it take for the Chaos gods to regenerate their servants and their realms? For all we know Draigo might be preventing major daemonic incursions as the energy is instead being spent repairing all the damage he does.

But back to the original question of the topic, here's how I would repair Draigo's fluff. First off, Mortarion:

Mortarion is a plague victim. When he was stricken by the Destroyer Plague he called out to Nurgle for salvation. Nurgle answered him and Mortarion was gifted with power and immortality, but he was not cured. To this day he lapses in and out of delirium. As a servant of Nurgle disease is a source of immense strength for Mortarion, but this strength is unfocused, striking down victims indiscriminately like a scythe through wheat.

So basically Mortarion is senile. The reason why he fashions his daemon world into a replica of Barbarus is because half the time he believes it is Barbarus. His power waxes and wanes like pandemics of disease, but when his power is at its greatest he is also at his least lucid.

At the height of the Battle of Kornovin Mortarion is so delirious he begins reliving the siege of the Terra. When he strikes down Geronitan he believes he is striking down the false Emperor. And when he sees Draigo coming he mistakes him for Horus. "Horus, you are late! The battle is over!" Draigo begins smashing through Mortarion's bodyguard. Believing his brother to be in danger, Mortarion mistakes his bodyguard for the enemy and begins scything them down from behind. Draigo confronts the daemon primarch, sword raised. "Horus, my dear brother. At last we are victorious! The Emperor is no more!" Mortarion spreads his arms wide to embrace his brother...

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:I don't know how many times it's been said, but nothing Draigo does in the Warp matters at all.

We don't really know if this is the case. How much effort does it take for the Chaos gods to regenerate their servants and their realms? For all we know Draigo might be preventing major daemonic incursions as the energy is instead being spent repairing all the damage he does.

But back to the original question of the topic, here's how I would repair Draigo's fluff. First off, Mortarion:

Mortarion is a plague victim. When he was stricken by the Destroyer Plague he called out to Nurgle for salvation. Nurgle answered him and Mortarion was gifted with power and immortality, but he was not cured. To this day he lapses in and out of delirium. As a servant of Nurgle disease is a source of immense strength for Mortarion, but this strength is unfocused, striking down victims indiscriminately like a scythe through wheat.

So basically Mortarion is senile. The reason why he fashions his daemon world into a replica of Barbarus is because half the time he believes it is Barbarus. His power waxes and wanes like pandemics of disease, but when his power is at its greatest he is also at his least lucid.

At the height of the Battle of Kornovin Mortarion is so delirious he begins reliving the siege of the Terra. When he strikes down Geronitan he believes he is striking down the false Emperor. And when he sees Draigo coming he mistakes him for Horus. "Horus, you are late! The battle is over!" Draigo begins smashing through Mortarion's bodyguard. Believing his brother to be in danger, Mortarion mistakes his bodyguard for the enemy and begins scything them down from behind. Draigo confronts the daemon primarch, sword raised. "Horus, my dear brother. At last we are victorious! The Emperor is no more!" Mortarion spreads his arms wide to embrace his brother...

Source? Ty...

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
We don't really know if this is the case. How much effort does it take for the Chaos gods to regenerate their servants and their realms? For all we know Draigo might be preventing major daemonic incursions as the energy is instead being spent repairing all the damage he does.

It's never said. M'kar was the one who banished Draigo to the Warp, right? Would Tzeentch especially not then have any easy time of undoing the work of one of his own Greater Daemons if he so wished? Surely the Ruinous Powers, even if they can't kill Draigo (which I doubt) directly could revoke his banishment and stop bringing him back into the Warp (according to Lexicanum, M'kar eventually suffered a True Death, so why would his curse still work anyway?).

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:I don't know how many times it's been said, but nothing Draigo does in the Warp matters at all.

We don't really know if this is the case. How much effort does it take for the Chaos gods to regenerate their servants and their realms? For all we know Draigo might be preventing major daemonic incursions as the energy is instead being spent repairing all the damage he does.

But back to the original question of the topic, here's how I would repair Draigo's fluff. First off, Mortarion:

Mortarion is a plague victim. When he was stricken by the Destroyer Plague he called out to Nurgle for salvation. Nurgle answered him and Mortarion was gifted with power and immortality, but he was not cured. To this day he lapses in and out of delirium. As a servant of Nurgle disease is a source of immense strength for Mortarion, but this strength is unfocused, striking down victims indiscriminately like a scythe through wheat.

So basically Mortarion is senile. The reason why he fashions his daemon world into a replica of Barbarus is because half the time he believes it is Barbarus. His power waxes and wanes like pandemics of disease, but when his power is at its greatest he is also at his least lucid.

At the height of the Battle of Kornovin Mortarion is so delirious he begins reliving the siege of the Terra. When he strikes down Geronitan he believes he is striking down the false Emperor. And when he sees Draigo coming he mistakes him for Horus. "Horus, you are late! The battle is over!" Draigo begins smashing through Mortarion's bodyguard. Believing his brother to be in danger, Mortarion mistakes his bodyguard for the enemy and begins scything them down from behind. Draigo confronts the daemon primarch, sword raised. "Horus, my dear brother. At last we are victorious! The Emperor is no more!" Mortarion spreads his arms wide to embrace his brother...

That's not bad. It makes Mortarion powerful yet interesting because of his weakness.

 DarthMarko wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:I don't know how many times it's been said, but nothing Draigo does in the Warp matters at all.

We don't really know if this is the case. How much effort does it take for the Chaos gods to regenerate their servants and their realms? For all we know Draigo might be preventing major daemonic incursions as the energy is instead being spent repairing all the damage he does.

But back to the original question of the topic, here's how I would repair Draigo's fluff. First off, Mortarion:

Mortarion is a plague victim. When he was stricken by the Destroyer Plague he called out to Nurgle for salvation. Nurgle answered him and Mortarion was gifted with power and immortality, but he was not cured. To this day he lapses in and out of delirium. As a servant of Nurgle disease is a source of immense strength for Mortarion, but this strength is unfocused, striking down victims indiscriminately like a scythe through wheat.

So basically Mortarion is senile. The reason why he fashions his daemon world into a replica of Barbarus is because half the time he believes it is Barbarus. His power waxes and wanes like pandemics of disease, but when his power is at its greatest he is also at his least lucid.

At the height of the Battle of Kornovin Mortarion is so delirious he begins reliving the siege of the Terra. When he strikes down Geronitan he believes he is striking down the false Emperor. And when he sees Draigo coming he mistakes him for Horus. "Horus, you are late! The battle is over!" Draigo begins smashing through Mortarion's bodyguard. Believing his brother to be in danger, Mortarion mistakes his bodyguard for the enemy and begins scything them down from behind. Draigo confronts the daemon primarch, sword raised. "Horus, my dear brother. At last we are victorious! The Emperor is no more!" Mortarion spreads his arms wide to embrace his brother...

Source? Ty...

The source is me. This is how I would write Mortarion.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 DarthMarko wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:I don't know how many times it's been said, but nothing Draigo does in the Warp matters at all.

We don't really know if this is the case. How much effort does it take for the Chaos gods to regenerate their servants and their realms? For all we know Draigo might be preventing major daemonic incursions as the energy is instead being spent repairing all the damage he does.

But back to the original question of the topic, here's how I would repair Draigo's fluff. First off, Mortarion:

Mortarion is a plague victim. When he was stricken by the Destroyer Plague he called out to Nurgle for salvation. Nurgle answered him and Mortarion was gifted with power and immortality, but he was not cured. To this day he lapses in and out of delirium. As a servant of Nurgle disease is a source of immense strength for Mortarion, but this strength is unfocused, striking down victims indiscriminately like a scythe through wheat.

So basically Mortarion is senile. The reason why he fashions his daemon world into a replica of Barbarus is because half the time he believes it is Barbarus. His power waxes and wanes like pandemics of disease, but when his power is at its greatest he is also at his least lucid.

At the height of the Battle of Kornovin Mortarion is so delirious he begins reliving the siege of the Terra. When he strikes down Geronitan he believes he is striking down the false Emperor. And when he sees Draigo coming he mistakes him for Horus. "Horus, you are late! The battle is over!" Draigo begins smashing through Mortarion's bodyguard. Believing his brother to be in danger, Mortarion mistakes his bodyguard for the enemy and begins scything them down from behind. Draigo confronts the daemon primarch, sword raised. "Horus, my dear brother. At last we are victorious! The Emperor is no more!" Mortarion spreads his arms wide to embrace his brother...

Source? Ty...

The source is me. This is how I would write Mortarion.

Oooo,sorry didn't read whole your post - but c'mon, senile primarch:-)and ofc you have my compliments for imagination but just think how funny would that scene be....

Is it not written in the grey knights codex that there is a golden box with a sigil thats found on the golden throne that only the supreme grand master of the grey knights know the secret to? That box could explain why the chaos gods would want draigo alive because as long as he is technically alive the gk's dont have to appoint a new one. but draigo cant get to the box and work the secret if its needed.
Thus the secret box cant be used. The mortarion thing could be explained with mortarion getting cocky after killing the grand master and undeestimate what a lone grey knight could do with the right motivation and with his guard down.

On another note, didn't maugan rah drive the altaioc craftworld out of the eye right under the nose of slaanesh and everyone was totally fine afterwards?

Well if you could rewrite Draigo's fluff I would say simply remove the whole bitch slapping a Daemon Primarch bit. Seriously that would go a LONGGGGG way to making it better.

If you just want to add to it, edit it in a way.

Have in the Chaos Codex that Draigo hasnt actually done anything like that, that it has been Tzeentch fething with him "just as planned" to break him. The guy is awsome and COULD feth some gak up, so instead of wasting his subjects dealing wtih this guy, have him put Draigo in a mini alternate dimension type place where he thinks he is winning these battles and than watching right in front of his eyes and everything he just did is reversed. This will eventually break even the hardest warrior and than Tzeentch could just send someone and kill Draigo. Just as planned.

Or you could make it so that the Fateweaver dude was the guy who did this. I think that would do a good job saving Mortarion from looking like a fething failure, Chaos is really powerful and dangerous, yet Draigo still is pretty powerful


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 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:I don't know how many times it's been said, but nothing Draigo does in the Warp matters at all.

We don't really know if this is the case. How much effort does it take for the Chaos gods to regenerate their servants and their realms? For all we know Draigo might be preventing major daemonic incursions as the energy is instead being spent repairing all the damage he does.

But back to the original question of the topic, here's how I would repair Draigo's fluff. First off, Mortarion:

Mortarion is a plague victim. When he was stricken by the Destroyer Plague he called out to Nurgle for salvation. Nurgle answered him and Mortarion was gifted with power and immortality, but he was not cured. To this day he lapses in and out of delirium. As a servant of Nurgle disease is a source of immense strength for Mortarion, but this strength is unfocused, striking down victims indiscriminately like a scythe through wheat.

So basically Mortarion is senile. The reason why he fashions his daemon world into a replica of Barbarus is because half the time he believes it is Barbarus. His power waxes and wanes like pandemics of disease, but when his power is at its greatest he is also at his least lucid.

At the height of the Battle of Kornovin Mortarion is so delirious he begins reliving the siege of the Terra. When he strikes down Geronitan he believes he is striking down the false Emperor. And when he sees Draigo coming he mistakes him for Horus. "Horus, you are late! The battle is over!" Draigo begins smashing through Mortarion's bodyguard. Believing his brother to be in danger, Mortarion mistakes his bodyguard for the enemy and begins scything them down from behind. Draigo confronts the daemon primarch, sword raised. "Horus, my dear brother. At last we are victorious! The Emperor is no more!" Mortarion spreads his arms wide to embrace his brother...

Holy crap that is actually really good.

It finally gives an explanation why Mortarion is just sitting on his ass not doing anything. Its because he isnt himself anymore. I always had an issue that these great Primarchs who are made for war havnt done fething gak in the last 10,000 years with the exception of Angron who has come out to play like 3 times. Seriously if even 1 of the Loyalist Primarchs came back this war would go from Imperium being in a stalement to wiping the floor of these guys because the traitor Primarchs arnt doing anything and they have no reason given. (I wish they kind of just killed them off or something so they dont look like failures)

You know Im actually going to borrow this non-cannon fluff. Thank you lol

Boneville wrote:
On another note, didn't maugan rah drive the altaioc craftworld out of the eye right under the nose of slaanesh and everyone was totally fine afterwards?

It was a minor Craftworld called Altansar, not Alaitoc. And I wouldn't say that they were totally fine, because most Eldar treat them with suspicion and hostility due to their prolonged exposure to the Warp.

So, what if Draigo is actually just wandering between worlds in the Eye of Terror; kinda like how our Ultramarine pal Uriel Ventris had done.

He was thrown into 'the Warp', but he may have just ended up on a corrupted world in the EoT. I mean, reading about those places, they are pretty much just as f'ing crazy as what you'd imagine the pure warp to be.

Oceans of blood, jungles of bone and flesh, etc etc. Draigo could just be stomping around some of them, using Daemon portals to travel between them in some way. I mean heck, the 3rd Grey Knight novel, Alaric is basically on a world filled with oceans of blood and constantly warring daemon lords.