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There was a love story in the 'Fear The Alien' collection of short stories, about a Dark Eldar Archon falling in love with a Wych Succubus (I think) and how he tries to woo her.

It's more funny than serious but a good read

 Manchu wrote:

 1hadhq wrote:
OtoH, find me one chapter , one organzation in the Imperium of Man that carries on with the "imperial truth".

The Ultramarines and their closest successors.

I agree. The Ultramarines and their successors are the generic marines, and would be the general description for the Astartes in general. And their home worlds are the most prosperous and arguably the best places to live in the whole galaxy. And that's not all: the Realm of Ultramar is the foundation of Ultima Segmentum. That alone should be proof enough they follow the Imperial Truth (its progressive side at least) - the cardinal worlds of the Imperial Church do not form the foundation of any Imperial territory.

 Manchu wrote:

 Pilau Rice wrote:
Not really, we were discussing chapters, you now want to encompass the Ecclessiarchy in our ever increasing off topic conversation about Love?

My point was that the BT -- because of their apparent worship of the Emperor -- are "loyal" to him in the same sense of the Ecclesiarchy. Whether they are Space Marines is irrelevant to the comparison (except inasmuch as the Space Marines should know better than mere mortals about the Great Crusade); what is relevant is the shared faith.

Worship the Emperor? BT ???

Maybe less than UM worship Gulliman.

BT are as loyal as all of the former Imperial fists , the sons of dorn, are. However , mr Imperium secundus, isn't so loyal to the Emperor himself, isn't he?

Certain 'legions' love themselves too much, and one of them is running around in blue war plate..

 Rysaer wrote:
There was a love story in the 'Fear The Alien' collection of short stories, about a Dark Eldar Archon falling in love with a Wych Succubus (I think) and how he tries to woo her.

It's more funny than serious but a good read

I read that story... it was wicked boss awesome... I read it from the '25 for 25' book though.

I think its a neato example about how love can have the possibility of coming about in the 40k Grimverse.


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 djphranq wrote:

 Rysaer wrote:
There was a love story in the 'Fear The Alien' collection of short stories, about a Dark Eldar Archon falling in love with a Wych Succubus (I think) and how he tries to woo her.

It's more funny than serious but a good read

I read that story... it was wicked boss awesome... I read it from the '25 for 25' book though.

I think its a neato example about how romance can have the possibility of coming about in the 40k Grimverse.

Offically, there is no love, ever.
However the web is filled with fanfic about 40K love. /tg/ for example contributes largely to the fanfic. Examples are Love can Blood, Kreig and Me, Raege's Ragged Edges, etc.
Go to 1d4chan if you want to find out more.

 Novelist47 wrote:
Offically, there is no love, ever.
.

except officially in the codexes, novels and other places

 Manchu wrote:

 Pilau Rice wrote:
Not really, we were discussing chapters, you now want to encompass the Ecclessiarchy in our ever increasing off topic conversation about Love?

My point was that the BT -- because of their apparent worship of the Emperor -- are "loyal" to him in the same sense of the Ecclesiarchy. Whether they are Space Marines is irrelevant to the comparison (except inasmuch as the Space Marines should know better than mere mortals about the Great Crusade); what is relevant is the shared faith.

Apparent worship does not equate to worship though, I don't think they are as into the whole religious aspect of the Emperor love as the Ecclesiarchy are and aren't God Emperor this God Emperor that. They worship the Emperor for being the best of men, as with many other Chapter, just more so, but don't recognise him as a God.

I haven't read the codex so I could be wrong.

 ENOZONE wrote:
Love is a powerful catalyst in war. It often causes them. Are there examples of love in the Grimdark setting?

Several characters in Dan Abnett books have 'romances', which are mostly cold and informal sexual encounters.
Caffran in the Gaunt's Ghosts series, is one of the only characters to have a consistent, warm relationship.

Love. is. a. heresy.

 Viersche wrote:
Love. is. a. heresy.

Is it? The Emperor loved Horus to the end, didn't he? And he probably still does, even after all this time.

Ciaphas Cain and that Inquisitor who narrates and "edits" the story inside the novel. Inquisitor Ambrose or something.

Are they actually revealed as being lovers or are they kept separate from Cain's story?

There are quite a few 'fade to blacks' that occur but nothing that's ever really said obviously.

For example, there's a scene in one of the later stories when Cain turns up with a bottle of champagne etc, closes the door, then they move onto the next morning.

 Compel wrote:
There are quite a few 'fade to blacks' that occur but nothing that's ever really said obviously.

For example, there's a scene in one of the later stories when Cain turns up with a bottle of champagne etc, closes the door, then they move onto the next morning.

After drinking the wine himself, not being able to perform and sobbing into his pillow with the lady feeling all let down ... GRIMMMMDAARRKKKKKKKKKKKK

Everytime he looks into her eyes, he can only see the faces of all those troopers he executed. The drink doesn't help.

GRRRRRIMDAAAARK.

 Rysaer wrote:
There was a love story in the 'Fear The Alien' collection of short stories, about a Dark Eldar Archon falling in love with a Wych Succubus (I think) and how he tries to woo her.

It's more funny than serious but a good read

I actually think this handled love well, even though there's no love in it (and that's precisely why). It showed the lack of empathy/human emotion that the Dark Eldar have and how they can't even comprehend concepts like selflessness.

 Manchu wrote:
Everytime he looks into her eyes, he can only see the faces of all those troopers he executed. The drink doesn't help.

GRRRRRIMDAAAARK.

The bottle gradually gets emptier and the stories get more horrific.

Emptier and emptier, where her eyes get wider and wider.

He awakes in the morning noticing the blood, so much blood and the cold corpse next to him, with the eyes gauged out, wrists slashed and a broken bottle in her hand.

GRRRRRRIMMMMMMMMMDARRRKKKKKKKKKKK

He thought of his father and should have felt proud. This man had undertaken divine labors: he united Holy Terra after uncounted ages of darkness, co-opted the recalcitrant priests of Mars into his masterful vision, and led humanity in the reconquest of the stars. How then did he also allow his sons to be stolen away and tortured so? How then did he return to invalidate what little meaning they had scavenged from their exiles? Whatever he should have felt, the Primarch felt no warmth of affection nor even a cold pride in his sire.

GRRRRRIMDAAAAAARK

This is actually an awesome way to answer OP's question.

He was a son of the Emperor, created to lead by example, to be a shining bastion of what a mortal could be. But no matter how hard he tried to love the Emperor and to shine as bright as he, he always returned to the darkness that welcomed him and it embraced him with the screams and cries of those he should be saving.

Edit: forgot the GRRRRRIMMMMMMMMDAARRRKKKKKKKKKK

I think you forgot the love part with that one, too.

 Decio wrote:
Ciaphas Cain and that Inquisitor who narrates and "edits" the story inside the novel. Inquisitor Ambrose or something.

Are they actually revealed as being lovers or are they kept separate from Cain's story?

Amberely Vail.

Strangely enough Ms Vail never actually states they were lovers - but I feel its pretty clear they were - certainly Cain seems to have deep feelings for her...............

 Manchu wrote:
I think you forgot the love part with that one, too.

REVENGE!

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