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The news about the Warhammer Forge stuff being delayed bums me out to no end. It started with so much promise, now it like a side project.
"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
Has anyone seen any better pics of the tables. I need to see how they are painting the Minotaurs. Not sure of colors. I have the Badab Wars books but I was hoping for actual painted models not book pics.
When in doubt.........Duck!
Even in the far future there can still be heroes...
Bikeninja wrote: Has anyone seen any better pics of the tables. I need to see how they are painting the Minotaurs. Not sure of colors. I have the Badab Wars books but I was hoping for actual painted models not book pics.
The Minotaurs Chapter Master is fully painted on Forgeworlds website, if that hepls.
"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
I'm going to go ahead and copy and paste the stuff from naftka, credit goes to DOC there.
Crons
1 = +1 or -1 to reserves
2 = Warlord survives game +1vp
3 = Must issue and accept challenges +1vp for every enemy character killed in a challenge
4 = Whilst within 3" of objective warlord and unit get to re roll re animation rolls
5 = Can give a single ranged weapon +1 strength each turn
6 = Warlord gains the crusader USR
New Necron Lord Kutlakh The World Killer 220pts
He has a Staff of Light and The Obsidax
The obsidax is a close combat weapon with the following profile:
Str as User (5) Ap 2, Instant Death, Specialist Weapon.
He also has the splinter of madness...
He must declare a challenge...
Before the challenge takes place both combatants roll a d6 and add their leadership If Kutlakh's total score is greater than that of his opponents, his opponent suffers a reduction to their weapon skill for this assault phase equal to the difference. Opponents reduced to 0 cannot fight this phase.
Bomber 225pts
12 armour all round.
4 HP Five death sphere bombs Large blast Str 10 Ap 1, Blind and Pinning
Heavy Support choice
Tesseract Ark
250pts
12 armour all round (+ Quantum Sheilding for AV 14 front and Sides)
4HP's
Heavy Support choice
3 fire options
Solar Fire Rg 48" Str 7 Ap 2 Heavy 3 Blast
Particle Hurricane Template St 3 Ap 3 Fleshbane
Seismic Lash Rg 24" Str 5 Ap 4, Heavy 1 Quake, Armourbane, Ground Lash (hits in a thin line like the death ray)
When weapon destroyed occurs on a 4+ the ark is destroyed and all models within 6" suffer strength 6 ap - hits. Also str 6 from an exploded result.
Tim yes tomb stalkers are elite now as the new tomb sentinel is in the fast attack slot.
its 195pts
T7 beastie with 4 wounds
MC Fearless, Rampage, War Construct and Phase Tunneling
Armed with and Exile Cannon
Rg 12" Str X AP - Heavy 1 Blast
The number of models hit under the template have to take a strength test or be removed no saves allowed. It is random which models are hit.
Phase tunnelling gives Fleet, Deep Strike, Outflank and Hit & Run (interestingly its I 4 no doubt so it can use this ability as most cron stuff is I 2)
War Construct makes them immune to Fleshbane and Poisoned rules.
Optional upgrade Sepulchral Scarabs means it gains it will not die!
Necron Tomb Citadel
300 pnt fortification for 40K!!!
The two big buildings are both AV14 and each penetrate results into a D6 (5+ destroys it)
Ziggurat:
has both Eternity Gate and Scarab Hive (check Codex! Scarab Hive is broken when you roll a 1)
docked Monolith or Sentry Pylon fire with STR+1
If destroyed, the docked machine takes STR10AP2.
Power Crucible:
Units, Crucible and Ziggurat on the Citadel have 3++
All RP-rolls of 1 can be rerolled on the Citadel.
Optional:
Comms Relay for 20
Up to two Tesla Destructors or Gauss Exterminators with Skyfire/Interceptor for 65 or 100 each.
So, the Ark and the bomber seem pretty damn good. AV 14 with QS means it's impossible to remove the flyer, and pretty damn tough for the Ark.
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Dysartes wrote: OK, that's the last of my pictures up - including ones of two of the display boards.
Spoiler:
There's about half a dozen of the IA12 board, as per the request from earlier today.
There are several boards with Necron plinths to be seen, e.g. 3 flat ones with two plinthes on one side. Did they look like future releases or just custom made? Or like single plinth releases as alternative bases for Necron pylons?
I'm pretty sure that when I was talking to Alan and Andy (and having a quick gander at IA12 - thinking about it, Alan was pretty clear that the Siege list will reappear at some point, given it is a different formation to the Assault list, which was described as being the "suicidal spearpoint" of the Krieg army) one of them mentioned the small pylons being recast for the board - I assume you're referring to the bits in the 3x2 grid in the image above?
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
The flyer does not have QS i made that mistake in my haste to publish it to you all the teseract act does. So its AV12 and fits the model with the other flyers
The flyer does not have QS i made that mistake in my haste to publish it to you all the teseract act does. So its AV12 and fits the model with the other flyers
I'll update that, and the Teseract Ark blub for Clarity.
No it didn't. It wen't from great to garbage. Look at the points cost. Competitively the Death Ray, which is in itself a uniquely brilliant gun, is still too expensive for 175 points. Those S10 bombs aren't much better and now the price climbs to 225pts already. Add the fact that it takes a slot from an ABarge and the bomber is useless.
Marked_by_chaos over at Warseer wrote:I am also frustrated although the Horus heresy stuff is great so I am not as gutted as I would otherwise be.
Talking to the guys yesterday Horus heresy has simply exceeded their original expectations and naturally they are simply responding to sales. The warhammer forge guys are still committed to that project but they have been co opted as needs be to finish of the Horus heresy releases. Some have been taking their work home with them to keep up momentum as much as possible on the other projects.
The team has been expanded significantly and things may soon balance out. One of the main bottlenecks had apparently also been in the art/book design section.
The biggest fear I would have is perhaps that the Horus heresy keeps on growing in popularity and mainstream gw start to get miffed at it "cannibalising" sales. Even worse they could bring it in house or start producing it in plastic.
Hope GW managers hear this, get greedy, take over HH production and bring HH product sales down, freeing staff to make Xeno products
"What happens when Tom Kirby gets ownership of the Sahara? In 5 years, sand will be a rare, luxury niche product."
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No it didn't. It wen't from great to garbage. Look at the points cost. Competitively the Death Ray, which is in itself a uniquely brilliant gun, is still too expensive for 175 points. Those S10 bombs aren't much better and now the price climbs to 225pts already. Add the fact that it takes a slot from an ABarge and the bomber is useless.
I don't know, I think we'll have to see how it preforms on the tabletop. I still think it can be rather competitive, most AA will still have a tough time doing anything to it, and it's bombs are actually useful. It is expensive though. If lists include any of the options from IA12, it seems they will be at most be able to include one, since everything is rather heavily priced.
I'm still undecided about the Tesseract Ark. It seems pretty good, but it is awfully expensive.
It seems pretty good, but it is awfully expensive.
I'm wondering if there's a special Forgeworld value added tax on the points costs. Afterall, pretty much everything for every army from Forgeworld is overpriced by about 20%. It has to be intentional to stop people from buying their products to use in their games. That sounds like a very GW-like marketing strategy anyway.
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It seems pretty good, but it is awfully expensive.
I'm wondering if there's a special Forgeworld value added tax on the points costs. Afterall, pretty much everything for every army from Forgeworld is overpriced by about 20%. It has to be intentional to stop people from buying their products to use in their games. That sounds like a very GW-like marketing strategy anyway.
I feel the Acanthrites are about 20% to much, they provide fantastic Anti-tank. The problem being the Necron Codex has no problem with Anti-tank, The Meta has moved away from vehicles, and it is in the Fast Attack slot.
I need to try out the Bomber and T Ark before I make judgement on them. They both feel expensive, but I think they can be competitive.
The Tomb Stalker, with the same stats, even in the elite slot is about 40 points overcosted.
The Sentinel is interesting. It provides a bit more utility, but it's in the fast attack slot, and is rather highly costed.
The Warlord table is excellent. I'm going to roll on that every game. The only dud is a roll of 6.
It seems pretty good, but it is awfully expensive.
I'm wondering if there's a special Forgeworld value added tax on the points costs. Afterall, pretty much everything for every army from Forgeworld is overpriced by about 20%. It has to be intentional to stop people from buying their products to use in their games. That sounds like a very GW-like marketing strategy anyway.
I feel the Acanthrites are about 20% to much, they provide fantastic Anti-tank. The problem being the Necron Codex has no problem with Anti-tank, The Meta has moved away from vehicles, and it is in the Fast Attack slot.
I need to try out the Bomber and T Ark before I make judgement on them. They both feel expensive, but I think they can be competitive.
The Tomb Stalker, with the same stats, even in the elite slot is about 40 points overcosted.
The Sentinel is interesting. It provides a bit more utility, but it's in the fast attack slot, and is rather highly costed.
The Warlord table is excellent. I'm going to roll on that every game. The only dud is a roll of 6.
So you are allowed to use the Necron Warlord table in normal games?
What I have
~4100
~1660
Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
It seems pretty good, but it is awfully expensive.
I'm wondering if there's a special Forgeworld value added tax on the points costs. Afterall, pretty much everything for every army from Forgeworld is overpriced by about 20%. It has to be intentional to stop people from buying their products to use in their games. That sounds like a very GW-like marketing strategy anyway.
I feel the Acanthrites are about 20% to much, they provide fantastic Anti-tank. The problem being the Necron Codex has no problem with Anti-tank, The Meta has moved away from vehicles, and it is in the Fast Attack slot.
I need to try out the Bomber and T Ark before I make judgement on them. They both feel expensive, but I think they can be competitive.
The Tomb Stalker, with the same stats, even in the elite slot is about 40 points overcosted.
The Sentinel is interesting. It provides a bit more utility, but it's in the fast attack slot, and is rather highly costed.
The Warlord table is excellent. I'm going to roll on that every game. The only dud is a roll of 6.
So you are allowed to use the Necron Warlord table in normal games?
You'll have to speak with your gaming group about that. My group allows FW stuff, so I fully intend to throw some IA12 in my Army.
Weren't there rumours of there being a second part to the this new IA, with the Orks and Dark Eldar featuring?
I'm very surprised we haven't seen anything like a C'tan Shard on the same level as the Greater Daemons FW produces.
You'd think that it could have been about a Dynasty that were first to join the C'tan (in receiving Necrodermis), and chose to stand alongside their gods when the rest of their kind rebelled under the rule of the Silent King. Give us a feel on the more Lovecraftian Necrons from the first codex.
Was considering buying this book when I first heard about it, but definitely not now. Seems like a poor effort of FW's part. Nothing truly unique for Necrons, just variations of existing kits. The super heavy being that scaled down/new Gauss Pylon is a kick in the teeth.
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Sasori wrote: The Warlord table is excellent. I'm going to roll on that every game. The only dud is a roll of 6.
Wait, you think it's bad?
I actually loved that one! The Crusader-USR helps Necrons with their biggest weakness: Sweeping Advance
Oh, perhaps I misunderstood the rule. I was thinking it only worked when you were the one sweeping. Adding D3 would make a pretty big difference to prevent being swept.
No it didn't. It wen't from great to garbage. Look at the points cost. Competitively the Death Ray, which is in itself a uniquely brilliant gun, is still too expensive for 175 points. Those S10 bombs aren't much better and now the price climbs to 225pts already. Add the fact that it takes a slot from an ABarge and the bomber is useless.
12 all around on a flier plus S10 AP1 large blast bombs is priced fairly at 225. It just seems expensive because Night scythes and vendettas are both are about 45 points too cheap.
And AV14 on a flier is worth far far more than 225. There is a single flier in the game with any armor facing over 12, and that is the Tau Manta, with a 13/12/11. An AV 14 flier would break the game.
No it didn't. It wen't from great to garbage. Look at the points cost. Competitively the Death Ray, which is in itself a uniquely brilliant gun, is still too expensive for 175 points. Those S10 bombs aren't much better and now the price climbs to 225pts already. Add the fact that it takes a slot from an ABarge and the bomber is useless.
12 all around on a flier plus S10 AP1 large blast bombs is priced fairly at 225. It just seems expensive because Night scythes and vendettas are both are about 45 points too cheap.
And AV14 on a flier is worth far far more than 225. There is a single flier in the game with any armor facing over 12, and that is the Tau Manta, with a 13/12/11. An AV 14 flier would break the game.
I tend to agree, I think it's still fairly priced. AV14 would have been way OP. I don't agree the Night Scythe is 45 points undercosted though. 25, maybe, but not 45.
Medium of Death wrote: I'm very surprised we haven't seen anything like a C'tan Shard on the same level as the Greater Daemons FW produces.
[...]
Was considering buying this book when I first heard about it, but definitely not now. Seems like a poor effort of FW's part. Nothing truly unique for Necrons, just variations of existing kits. The super heavy being that scaled down/new Gauss Pylon is a kick in the teeth.
Hear hear.
I'm utterly disappointed with this book. It had such potential. When I heard they were delaying its release, the only thing that kept me interested was the thought, "well, at least they'll have more time to work on some good new Necron stuff".
The worst part is, if this thing doesn't sell, they'll look at the lack of sales and say, "Well, I guess people aren't interested in Necron stuff, then," and decide not to produce any of the stuff people ACTUALLY wanted (eg. Canoptek Harvester Titan or whathaveyou)
It seems pretty good, but it is awfully expensive.
I'm wondering if there's a special Forgeworld value added tax on the points costs. Afterall, pretty much everything for every army from Forgeworld is overpriced by about 20%. It has to be intentional to stop people from buying their products to use in their games. That sounds like a very GW-like marketing strategy anyway.
It's more to prevent people from moaning that the pieces are overpowered, because they can point "Look, it's overpriced for what you get!".
Therion wrote: The Nightshroud's stats seem pretty good. So good it might even see play in 40K games whenever Forgeworld's "40K" stuff is allowed. 225pts for an AV14 flyer (as long as the QS holds) with one TL Tesla Destructor and five S10 AP1 large blast bombs with pinning and blinding. The skyfire stuff is really going to have problems with AV14 and evade.
Mother of God!
Must ... resist ... urge ... to ... purchase ... best ... flyer ... ever ...
How many lawyers does it take to change a light bulb?
-- Fifty-Four -- Eight to argue, one to get a continuance, one to object, one to demur, two to research precedents, one to dictate a letter, one to stipulate, five to turn in their time cards, one to depose, one to write interrogatories, two to settle, one to order a secretary to change the bulb, and twenty eight to bill for professional services.
Therion wrote: The Nightshroud's stats seem pretty good. So good it might even see play in 40K games whenever Forgeworld's "40K" stuff is allowed. 225pts for an AV14 flyer (as long as the QS holds) with one TL Tesla Destructor and five S10 AP1 large blast bombs with pinning and blinding. The skyfire stuff is really going to have problems with AV14 and evade.
Mother of God!
Must ... resist ... urge ... to ... purchase ... best ... flyer ... ever ...
Its AV12. There's no QS. Still one hell of a flyer though. It doesn't have that stupid hole in the cockpit either.
What I have
~4100
~1660
Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
Kanluwen wrote: It's more to prevent people from moaning that the pieces are overpowered, because they can point "Look, it's overpriced for what you get!".
Kanluwen wrote: It's more to prevent people from moaning that the pieces are overpowered, because they can point "Look, it's overpriced for what you get!".
Uhh... they do that anyway.
Sure, but they mostly get laughed at for not knowing what they're talking about!
4000+
6000+ Order. Unity. Obedience.
Thousand Sons 4000+
- I'm working on the Merwyrm pictures now.
~1660
Karak Hirn Dwarfs - 2500 
