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 kronk wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Many things where common that are illegal now.

32 States still have the death penalty.

Not sure what you're on about.

he's a fragile flower that thinks the death penalty is cruel and unusual punishment. Someone get him a kleenex!

I do think it is cruel because it is one that can never e reversed. If you screw up and execute the wrong person, it can never be taken back.
And i am no flower, I have had my share of hardship.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I do think it is cruel because it is one that can never e reversed. If you screw up and execute the wrong person, it can never be taken back.
And i am no flower, I have had my share of hardship.

The young Twilight Sparkle avatar makes the hardship line humorous Don't mind me man, it's just an interesting dichotomy.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I do think it is cruel because it is one that can never e reversed. If you screw up and execute the wrong person, it can never be taken back.
And i am no flower, I have had my share of hardship.

The young Twilight Sparkle avatar makes the hardship line humorous Don't mind me man, it's just an interesting dichotomy.

Pastels can be tough too, mang!

 Frazzled wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Many things where common that are illegal now.

32 States still have the death penalty.

Not sure what you're on about.

he's a fragile flower that thinks the death penalty is cruel and unusual punishment. Someone get him a kleenex!

As I stated before. We aren't talking about the Death Penalty per se. However, the way the punishment of a duly tried and convicted criminal is carried out.

Granted the wording of the Consititution is a bit vague:
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.


However, I think most of us can understand that some of the punishments advocated in this thread do not fit this criteria. A legal execution by lethal injection (or some other means based on State Laws) is NOT what he is talking about. It has nothing to do with being a "fragile Flower" but everythign to do with the rule of law.


https://www.rutherford.org/constitutional_corner/amendment_viii_cruel_and_unusual_punishment/

 Alfndrate wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I do think it is cruel because it is one that can never e reversed. If you screw up and execute the wrong person, it can never be taken back.
And i am no flower, I have had my share of hardship.

The young Twilight Sparkle avatar makes the hardship line humorous Don't mind me man, it's just an interesting dichotomy.

How else do i bear with the pain man

 Alfndrate wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I do think it is cruel because it is one that can never e reversed. If you screw up and execute the wrong person, it can never be taken back.
And i am no flower, I have had my share of hardship.

The young Twilight Sparkle avatar makes the hardship line humorous Don't mind me man, it's just an interesting dichotomy.

Indeed, we all know purple Bronies are the wussies of the Bronie world. Now red Bronies, they're positively Russian. They KNOW hardship. For the Motherland!


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I do think it is cruel because it is one that can never e reversed. If you screw up and execute the wrong person, it can never be taken back.
And i am no flower, I have had my share of hardship.

Thats not cruel thats a up. By that argument no one could be punished, because there's always the chance of an innoicent women and therefore all modes of punishment are cruel.


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 Easy E wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Many things where common that are illegal now.

32 States still have the death penalty.

Not sure what you're on about.

he's a fragile flower that thinks the death penalty is cruel and unusual punishment. Someone get him a kleenex!

As I stated before. We aren't talking about the Death Penalty per se. However, the way the punishment of a duly tried and convicted criminal is carried out.

Granted the wording of the Consititution is a bit vague:
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.


However, I think most of us can understand that some of the punishments advocated in this thread do not fit this criteria. A legal execution by lethal injection (or some other means based on State Laws) is NOT what he is talking about. It has nothing to do with being a "fragile Flower" but everythign to do with the rule of law.


https://www.rutherford.org/constitutional_corner/amendment_viii_cruel_and_unusual_punishment/

No he's arguing executiion itself falls under 'cruel and unusual.' Evidently you seem to be as well.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I do think it is cruel because it is one that can never e reversed. If you screw up and execute the wrong person, it can never be taken back.
And i am no flower, I have had my share of hardship.

The young Twilight Sparkle avatar makes the hardship line humorous Don't mind me man, it's just an interesting dichotomy.

Indeed, we all know purple Bronies are the wussies of the Bronie world. Now red Bronies, they're positively Russian. They KNOW hardship. For the Motherland!

They've got you covered...


It was my avatar for awhile...

 Frazzled wrote:

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I do think it is cruel because it is one that can never e reversed. If you screw up and execute the wrong person, it can never be taken back.
And i am no flower, I have had my share of hardship.

Thats not cruel thats a up. By that argument no one could be punished, because there's always the chance of an innoicent women and therefore all modes of punishment are cruel.

You can ALWAY say *Whoops* and give compensation for time loss with prison.
Not with death penalty.
And no, Purple=Manly, Remember Fulgrim?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So, If we violate the constituition in one place, we are ok in doing it in others?

Who's violating the Constitution again? What the are you on about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
No cruel or unusual punishment.
Clearly, Your wishes of death annd retribution are an attempt to be cruel.
How is burning someone not cruel?

I personally do encourage working within the law whenever possible, and feel the laws certainly do have punishment for this type of crime, but since the victims were not transported across state lines, this is not a federal case, and so the 8th Amendment would not apply. The federal government will not be punishing these individuals at all. Thus, even if the good state of Ohio chose to immolate its newfound celebrity criminals, it would not be at all related to the Constitution or constitutional rights.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I do think it is cruel because it is one that can never e reversed. If you screw up and execute the wrong person, it can never be taken back.
And i am no flower, I have had my share of hardship.

Thats not cruel thats a up. By that argument no one could be punished, because there's always the chance of an innoicent women and therefore all modes of punishment are cruel.

You can ALWAY say *Whoops* and give compensation for time loss with prison.
Not with death penalty.
And no, Purple=Manly, Remember Fulgrim?

really, you can give compensation for years of your life, for potentially nonvoluntary funtime with your cellmate, etc. etc?

If you want to say you're opposed to the death penalty on the grounds its permanent, thats one thing and a valid argument. Saying its unconstitutional and going off like you're morally superior is another.

 Frazzled wrote:
No he's arguing executiion itself falls under 'cruel and unusual.' Evidently you seem to be as well.

You are right. He was arguing that any execution is bad. My mistake.

However, I am not. I'm arguing that many of the methods advocated for execution in this thread are clearly unconstitutional. People love to advocate for these types of unconstitutional things. Meanwhile they are also advocating for the overarching immutability of other Amendaments to the constitution. Hence, perhaps some of these peopel don't value the constitution as much as they thought they did?

That is why i oppose it, it is permanent. I think i may e getting my arguments mixed up
I think the death penalty is ok, FOR cases of murder only.
I also think that anyform of administaring it that is painful in anyway(Which IMO is cruel) is wrong and makes us just as in the wrong at them.
I do think Immolating, castrating and many other suggested methods of execution in this thread are cruel.

 Easy E wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
No he's arguing executiion itself falls under 'cruel and unusual.' Evidently you seem to be as well.

You are right. He was arguing that any execution is bad. My mistake.

However, I am not. I'm arguing that many of the methods advocated for execution in this thread are clearly unconstitutional. People love to advocate for these types of unconstitutional things. Meanwhile they are also advocating for the overarching immutability of other Amendaments to the constitution. Hence, perhaps some of these peopel don't value the constitution as much as they thought they did?

I think you're taking this internet thing too seriously. I don't think people are advocating unconstitutional methods of execution, just venting at the horror. So again, getteth off thine high horse.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
That is why i oppose it, it is permanent. I think i may e getting my arguments mixed up
I think the death penalty is ok, FOR cases of murder only.
I also think that anyform of administaring it that is painful in anyway(Which IMO is cruel) is wrong and makes us just as in the wrong at them.
I do think Immolating, castrating and many other suggested methods of execution in this thread are cruel.

So what do you think the penalty for robbing 36 years of life and freedom?

 Alfndrate wrote:


So what do you think the penalty for robbing 36 years of life and freedom?

I certainly don't have the first fething clue!

 kronk wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:


So what do you think the penalty for robbing 36 years of life and freedom?

I certainly don't have the first fething clue!

Well you're obviously no help!

Thankfully you're not in charge of the sentencing

Simple, Life in prison with no chance of parole.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Simple, Life in prison with no chance of parole.

Will you house them in your state then? As a resident of Ohio, I don't feel like paying for these scumbags until they die.

The founding fathers were wrong about lots of things.

Edit: I hope the victims find some solace with their families.

 Monster Rain wrote:
The founding fathers were wrong about lots of things.

I don't disagree. Thankfully they also included a process to change the Constitution if it was needed.

Feel free to start the process of getting the 8th Amendment struck from the document.

She was rescued in March 2003 less than 20 miles from her home. Her abductor, Brian David Mitchell, was jailed for life in 2011.

Why did it take this long for them to be sent to jail!?!

 Easy E wrote:

 Monster Rain wrote:
The founding fathers were wrong about lots of things.

I don't disagree. Thankfully they also included a process to change the Constitution if it was needed.

Feel free to start the process of getting the 8th Amendment struck from the document.

You should stop appealing to their infallibility then.

 Monster Rain wrote:

 Easy E wrote:

 Monster Rain wrote:
The founding fathers were wrong about lots of things.

I don't disagree. Thankfully they also included a process to change the Constitution if it was needed.

Feel free to start the process of getting the 8th Amendment struck from the document.

You should stop appealing to their infallibility then.

I didn't. I just pointed out that it is the law of the land, and there are some states that allow execution by certain means. These means have been legally approved. If we are a country of laws, then we follow should follow the laws we created.

Otherwise, why bother with this whole society business? I would have to wear the loin cloth and wield a stone axe right with you.

 Easy E wrote:
I would have to wear the loin cloth and wield a stone axe right with you.

Mmm...that sure takes me back. I nearly flunked Pointy Sticks 201.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I do think it is cruel because it is one that can never e reversed. If you screw up and execute the wrong person, it can never be taken back.
And i am no flower, I have had my share of hardship.

The young Twilight Sparkle avatar makes the hardship line humorous Don't mind me man, it's just an interesting dichotomy.

Indeed, we all know purple Bronies are the wussies of the Bronie world. Now red Bronies, they're positively Russian. They KNOW hardship. For the Motherland!

They've got you covered...


It was my avatar for awhile...

Is... is that a Commander Sorscha pony?

Yes, yes it is... Somewhere I may also have that image with a santa hat (Ouze definitely has it since he photoshopped it for me).


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Good news! The state saves on incarceration! The police have determined that Ariel Castro's brothers had nothing to do with this.

 Easy E wrote:

I didn't. I just pointed out that it is the law of the land, and there are some states that allow execution by certain means. These means have been legally approved. If we are a country of laws, then we follow should follow the laws we created.

Otherwise, why bother with this whole society business? I would have to wear the loin cloth and wield a stone axe right with you.

I recall a self-professed Vampire that ran for office, and part of his platform was to condemn child molesters to death by impaling. Not sure why this thread reminded me of that.

I may, based on this conversation, write my congressman and ask if we can burn people at the stake in instances such as the ones being discussed in this thread. I'm sure it would pass the house of representatives.

Capital punishment is gak it's more expensive than being sentenced to life in prison, has little to no effect on deterring crime, innocent people are sometimes killed because of it, it's barbaric and you're potentially getting rid of a person who if rehabilitated properly might have become a

law-abiding contributing member of society.