Shamed for using Proxies

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**Selym**

welshhoppo wrote:
I have no problem with proxying so long as you intend to buy the models in question.

I'm planning on running a zombie horde army with Typhus, using my warhammer models as proxy for zombies. Whilst I do intend to buy the zombies soon, I haven't got the money on me to splash out 75 quid on zombies.

Personally I'd say that any model (human, xenos, mutant or fantastical) that's been painted with rot and/or missing some body parts is a usable zombie

Except maybe the large ones...
...like dragons...

**welshhoppo**

I suppose Bretonnian peasants do look a little bit like zombies anyway

**Mr. DK**

I lol'ed at this

**augustus5**

DjPyro3 wrote:
I was playing a 2600 point game today. IG VS IG and Nids. This married couple was new to the store, and the wife was new to the game, so I decided to challenge them to a match, as they seemed a tad bored and the store was pretty empty. They happily agreed and we got off to a good start, until I started listing out the units I was bringing. They saw my 2 Vet squads didn't have 3 plasma guns each (due to the fact plasma's are a little hard to come by in IG unit boxes. And my LRBT was an Executioner. (I had bought them early in my 40K career when I didn't know squat about the game, and as 17 year old I'm to poor to afford another round of Leman Russ's to make them Executioners) and I wanted tory out a Collosus instead of a Bassilisk like I normally bring because they looked cool. After they, they griped and complained constantly about my army, saying how all of their units were WYSIWYG and it was annoying to play against my army. By the end of it, I had won 9-6 but I felt so defeated due to them complaining about my army...I guess in all of this, I want to ask is this normal? Should I shell out the money to get three more Leman Russ's and get those Plasma's and just buy units I want to test out? Should I be ashamed for proxying?

Different people play the game differently. These people you played might be a little too serious about their game. Try to find more laid back gamers who realize that 40k is just a game and that don't try and ruin your enjoyment of the game. What the couple should have done is politely opt out of the game with you before it started, when you told them you would be using some proxies, rather than agreeing to play against proxies and then whining about it throughout the game. While their perspective on how to play 40k is every bit as valid as yours is, they were the ones who agreed to play against proxies, and so should not have bitched and moaned about it.

Makumba wrote:Proxy models are offensive .

Somebody is taking things a little too seriously. I can understand not wanting to play against a proxied or unpainted army, but offensive? Certainly there are better things out there for you to be offended by?

**SoloFalcon1138**

Proxies are fine for casual.play and experimenting, but after a while, they become tedious and discourteous. Playing what you have is part of the game. For people who didn't know the OP, it could have looked.like he was tailoring his.list to overpower theirs. WYSIWYG is a courtesy for your opponent's information. in one way shap or form, it is nice to be able to quickly identify major upgrades like plasma and the like.

long story short, unless one is specifically experimenting, pkay what you have or acquire the proper pieces.

**Boggy Man**

augustus5 wrote:
Different people play the game differently. These people you played might be a little too serious about their game.

The term serious gamer always makes me do this >

Unless it's a paid tourney I have no patience for that attitude.

One thing I've found useful is to paper proxy; I google a pic of a properly outfitted model I want to test, print it to proper scale, glue it to some foam board, trim accordingly and put it on a proper sized base. Cheap as heck and WYSIWYG.

**aidangunn**

I'm a gamer with a very tight budget, and while my wife doesn't object to my spending money on the hobby I still can't buy all the stuff I would like. My friends and I proxy stuff all the time. The Warhound Titan in our first Apocalypse game was a giant rat from Halloween. None of us have the $300.00 to $500.00 to shell out for Titans. I am in the middle of painting a set of Mantic Werewolves for Crypt Horrors simply because I don't care for the GW models. Personally I don't think it's a problem as long as you explain what is what to your opponent.

**Watchersinthedark**

Dakkamite wrote:
Depends on your local gaming culture.

Here in NZ we generally don't give a gak. WSYIWYG models are better but what you gonna do?

Other areas, America chiefly amongst them from what I've seen on here, seem to be a bit more anal about this sort of thing

What was proxying as a Plasma Gunner? Could you not just paint neon blue patches on it? While there are a few people who are right into their "Plasma gun must be an official GW plasma gun" stuff, the majority should be ok with "this guy with the obvious glowing blue weapon is a plasma gunner"

I haven't run across anyone here that has been anal about WYSIWYG and that has been across multiple states over 15 years. Personally I don't mind proxies and do use them from time to time, especially to try out new strategies. If I like it then I do eventually go and buy the appropriate models. If you don't have the cash on hand for it then really don't worry too much about it. Pick up the stuff when you do and make it work that way. Just be sure to ask if it's cool to use a few proxies before the game starts and if they don't want to allow them then be cool and just go with it. It is nice to see a properly kitted army on the table though.

**evildrspock**

If it is mutually agreed before hand, than alright. But, if say I as a player shell out all the cash/trading potential to get all the right models displayed wysiwyg and my opponent doesn't, well ... it just kind of leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Like, "Why do I care to respect modeling everything correctly, when no one else does?" When I want to run something I don't have, my first thought isn't "Well, what can I proxy it as?" Rather than "How can I get that model?" or "What can I run in it's place?" It's far more important to me to have an army that is WYSIWYG (due to my forgetfulness) rather than one that wins while being false in a sense.

Now if I forgot a model at home ... that's different. But, I digress.