JJ Abrams and Larry Kasden writing Star Wars

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**Ahtman**

Platuan4th wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:
My guess is that its a remnant of the Empire being controlled from the shadows by a new Sith. Maybe the Sith will be a former Jedi trained by Luke who went missing many years prior.

What evs, we all know the movies are gonna be all about Jacen and Jaina. Two young adults connected to the original characters by blood? It's almost like they were invented for sequels.

Except haven't they stated they will be making entirely original story and not using the EU at all? They will probably have children for the characters, but they will be different completely different characters.

**Grey Templar**

Yeah, probably going to be some inspiration drawn from the EU. They'd be stupid not to at least use it as an idea source.

**Ahtman**

Grey Templar wrote:
Yeah, probably going to be some inspiration drawn from the EU. They'd be stupid not to at least use it as an idea source.

Having read some of the EU I wouldn't mind if they ignored it completely. I'm not sure "Han and Liea had kids" is such a radical idea that only one person thought of it, so I doubt they need to read any of those books to create a road map for the story. I don't think they need to delve into what we would now call fan fiction to try and come up with a story.

**chromedog**

FirePainter wrote:
My major complaint about the prequels is episode 3's rapid change from Anikan to Vader.

In episode 4 luke is what 16? 18? I always had the impression that it took the majority of that time for Vadar to get his bad reputation and grow into the evil guy we know when he first walks onto the Tantive IV. But no thats not how it happens. It is almost instantaneous from "oh no I am a goody toshoe Jedi" to "I am the most evil thing ever and it feels great lets slaughter some children."

I think it would have been better if at the end of episode 3 he was half Vader and half Anikan still. We all know what he is going to become but letting us know that it takes some time to become that way lends more credence to there being good in him then Padme saying it as she dies of a broken heart (read neck).

In ep 4, Luke is 20.

He may whine like a 15 year old, but according to the scripts and screenplay, he is 20. So ep3 is set about 20 years prior to ep4.

**Ahtman**

He is 19 years old in Star Wars, 22 in Empire Strikes Back, and 26 in Return of the Jedi.

**Frazzled**

really? I had thought ROJ was shortly after ESB.

**AlexHolker**

Frazzled wrote:
really? I had thought ROJ was shortly after ESB.

You are correct. He was still 22-23 in RotJ - it didn't take them four years to get around to rescuing Han.

**RossDas**

I hope they keep lightsaber use to a minimum in the new films. The prequel trilogy took most of the tension out of the confrontations; even more so when chopping up droids by the legion.

**FirePainter**

chromedog wrote:
FirePainter wrote:
My major complaint about the prequels is episode 3's rapid change from Anikan to Vader.

In episode 4 luke is what 16? 18? I always had the impression that it took the majority of that time for Vadar to get his bad reputation and grow into the evil guy we know when he first walks onto the Tantive IV. But no thats not how it happens. It is almost instantaneous from "oh no I am a goody toshoe Jedi" to "I am the most evil thing ever and it feels great lets slaughter some children."

I think it would have been better if at the end of episode 3 he was half Vader and half Anikan still. We all know what he is going to become but letting us know that it takes some time to become that way lends more credence to there being good in him then Padme saying it as she dies of a broken heart (read neck).

In ep 4, Luke is 20.

He may whine like a 15 year old, but according to the scripts and screenplay, he is 20. So ep3 is set about 20 years prior to ep4.

Well he may be older than I thought but I think that makes my point stronger. The transformation of Anakin to Vader happened so fast in ep3 that there is nothing for him to do in that 20 years. If he got to pure (with a little bit of good) evil so fast then how did he keep upping his reputation and inspiring fear throughout the empire for all those years? I really think that only a partial transformation to Vader would have been better: show us the mask or 1 arm and a leg don't just go full on and cut off everything but his torso.

Also I knew that ESB was 3 years after New Hope but I though ROJ was only a year after ESB. That was why it was such a desparation move to attack the death star 2 because they were still recovering from Hoth.

**Ensis Ferrae**

FirePainter wrote:

Well he may be older than I thought but I think that makes my point stronger. The transformation of Anakin to Vader happened so fast in ep3 that there is nothing for him to do in that 20 years. If he got to pure (with a little bit of good) evil so fast then how did he keep upping his reputation and inspiring fear throughout the empire for all those years? I really think that only a partial transformation to Vader would have been better: show us the mask or 1 arm and a leg don't just go full on and cut off everything but his torso.

I would have thought that the physical damage could have happened all at once, however I do agree with you... you don't just go full evil because you're a torso and head combo that can use the force. I would think of it in terms of the usual grieving process... Ie. at first, he realizes that he was acting like a gakker and deserved what he got (blame the victim?), but then, due to the pain and fear, possibly of never functioning properly, or of losing everything, he begins to blame his former teachers. Once he begins to blame them, he begins to resent them, which leads to full on hatred. As he's lost sight of what "really" happened, he slips further and further down the dark path until we get to A New Hope and he force chokes his own naval officers

**Ahtman**

AlexHolker wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
really? I had thought ROJ was shortly after ESB.

You are correct. He was still 22-23 in RotJ - it didn't take them four years to get around to rescuing Han.

I meant to post the link to the where it was said. I don't know, and I agree that I don't think that much time had passed. Nineteen seemed to have consensus as his age at the time of Star Wars, and I went back and looked for a timeline eslewhere and it shows a year between Battle for Hoth and the Battle of Endor so it should probably be 22 and 23, respectively.

**Hulksmash**

I wouldn't have expected all the damage at once. Vader's job was to hunt down rebels and jedi knights they missed during the purge. Some of them had to have gotten shots in from time to time. I'd assumed he'd lost enough to suit up to Obi-wan but the majority was lost over the next 20 years of being the attack dog of the empire.

And then Episode 3 happened......

**Easy E**

The Rebel Alliance came a long way in that year. They lost a major Battle at Hoth, but somehow had the resources that we see in the Death Star 2 attack? Impressive.

Of course, the fleet was 80% Mon Calamari, so I guess they just sealed a big alliance in the nick of time!

**FirePainter**

Hulksmash wrote:

And then Episode 3 happened......

And what a gak fest it was. From bad script to way to long battles to wtf moments. My personal favorite, Yoda the most powerful jedi fights the most powerful sith to a standstill and then...

runs away.

**Platuan4th**

Hulksmash wrote:
I wouldn't have expected all the damage at once.

Why not? They pretty much told us at some point Vader was the way he was due to a fight with Obi Wan ending by falling into a volcano/lava. That's been pretty common knowledge since around the 90's at least.

**pities2004**

RossDas wrote:
I hope they keep lightsaber use to a minimum in the new films. The prequel trilogy took most of the tension out of the confrontations; even more so when chopping up droids by the legion.

Well if they new jedi order is around your wish won't come true

**Hulksmash**

Platuan4th wrote:
Hulksmash wrote:
I wouldn't have expected all the damage at once.

Why not? They pretty much told us at some point Vader was the way he was due to a fight with Obi Wan ending by falling into a volcano/lava. That's been pretty common knowledge since around the 90's at least.

Don't remember that from the movies. Only the "He's more machine now than a man" bit by Obi-Wan. But hey, it's been years since I watched any of the films and at least a decade since I read any of the books.

**Platuan4th**

Hulksmash wrote:
Platuan4th wrote:
Hulksmash wrote:
I wouldn't have expected all the damage at once.

Why not? They pretty much told us at some point Vader was the way he was due to a fight with Obi Wan ending by falling into a volcano/lava. That's been pretty common knowledge since around the 90's at least.

Don't remember that from the movies. Only the "He's more machine now than a man" bit by Obi-Wan. But hey, it's been years since I watched any of the films and at least a decade since I read any of the books.

It's not from one of the films. Canon statements exist outside of them, y'know.

" After writing the second and third drafts in which the point[Vader being Luke's father] was introduced, Lucas reviewed the new backstory he had created: Anakin had been Obi-Wan's brilliant student and had a child named Luke, but was swayed to the dark side by Palpatine (a Sith and not a politician). Anakin battled Kenobi on the site of a volcano and was badly wounded, but was then reborn as Vader. Meanwhile, Kenobi hid Luke on Tatooine while the Galactic Republic became the tyrannical Galactic Empire and Vader systematically hunted down and killed the Jedi." - paraphrasing from Secret History of Star Wars

**RossDas**

pities2004 wrote:
RossDas wrote:
I hope they keep lightsaber use to a minimum in the new films. The prequel trilogy took most of the tension out of the confrontations; even more so when chopping up droids by the legion.

Well if they new jedi order is around your wish won't come true

I won't be too gutted, just so long as any indulgent choreography is held in place with above competent directing, a decent script and some memorable characters this time around.

**AlmightyWalrus**

RossDas wrote:
pities2004 wrote:
RossDas wrote:
I hope they keep lightsaber use to a minimum in the new films. The prequel trilogy took most of the tension out of the confrontations; even more so when chopping up droids by the legion.

Well if they new jedi order is around your wish won't come true

I won't be too gutted, just so long as any indulgent choreography is held in place with above competent directing, a decent script and some memorable characters this time around.

I'd argue that Jar Jar Binks is pretty memorable, considering how references to him pops up in all kinds of popular media these days.

**RossDas**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
RossDas wrote:
pities2004 wrote:
RossDas wrote:
I hope they keep lightsaber use to a minimum in the new films. The prequel trilogy took most of the tension out of the confrontations; even more so when chopping up droids by the legion.

Well if they new jedi order is around your wish won't come true

I won't be too gutted, just so long as any indulgent choreography is held in place with above competent directing, a decent script and some memorable characters this time around.

I'd argue that Jar Jar Binks is pretty memorable, considering how references to him pops up in all kinds of popular media these days.

The trouble was he stood out like a sore thumb due to everyone around him being somewhat dull; C3P0 wasn't much better in my book, but he was just one distinct character among many.

**Easy E**

I find it very fulfilling that Jar Jar Binks led to the end of the Republic and the establishment of the Empire.

**Ahtman**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
I'd argue that Jar Jar Binks is pretty memorable, considering how references to him pops up in all kinds of popular media these days.

He is more infamous than famous.

**Grey Templar**

Easy E wrote:
The Rebel Alliance came a long way in that year. They lost a major Battle at Hoth, but somehow had the resources that we see in the Death Star 2 attack? Impressive.

Of course, the fleet was 80% Mon Calamari, so I guess they just sealed a big alliance in the nick of time!

Pretty sure they didn't have the entire rebellion on Hoth. Just the main command staff.

Like ay good resistance movement, they'd have a lot of sleeper support and hidden cashes of equipment scattered all over.

**Mr Morden**

FirePainter wrote:
Hulksmash wrote:

And then Episode 3 happened......

And what a gak fest it was. From bad script to way to long battles to wtf moments. My personal favorite, Yoda the most powerful jedi fights the most powerful sith to a standstill and then...

runs away.

and hides don't forget that - he not only runs away but he abandons his duty and everyone else in the galaxy to save his own skin..............he talks the talk but ........

**FirePainter**

Thinking about it more I think the X-wing series might be a good pick for the new movies. It has all the classic characters making cameos and adds in stuff right after ROJ.

Plus its got Wedge Antillies as the main guy and who doesn't like that.

**Grey Templar**

Mr Morden wrote:
FirePainter wrote:
Hulksmash wrote:

And then Episode 3 happened......

And what a gak fest it was. From bad script to way to long battles to wtf moments. My personal favorite, Yoda the most powerful jedi fights the most powerful sith to a standstill and then...

runs away.

and hides don't forget that - he not only runs away but he abandons his duty and everyone else in the galaxy to save his own skin..............he talks the talk but ........

To be fair to the little guy, its not easy to walk the walk when your legs are only 6" long

**Mr Morden**

never read it tbh - does it have hot girls?

Cos I do feel that is an imprtant element of a successful film.

**Grey Templar**

Mr Morden wrote:
never read it tbh - does it have hot girls?

Cos I do feel that is an imprtant element of a successful film.

Careful, hot girls in the star wars universe is a definition to tread lightly with. Otherwise you get Jabba's palace.

**Mr Morden**

You say that like that part of the film was a bad thing