Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Seaward wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 slowthar wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
The best news that the book is being split into three parts which is a huge improvement. I look forwards to buying just the rulebook and not the fluff and art books as it will be a lot cheaper. Much of my resentment towards 6th edition is caused by the very high prices of the rulebooks.

Are you sure about that? From what I had read, yes, they're going to be physically three different books, but they're going to be sold collectively as a set for $80. Maybe your source is more up to date than mine? Or are you assuming getting just one of the three from eBay?

I assume GW will sell the rulebook separately.

I think that's optimistic. They know an awful lot of people would buy only the rules, and they're not going to let you get ahold of 7E rules more cheaply than they did 6E.

I shall go into the GW and ask for the rules separately. If they don't sell them I will not buy the full set, and ask the manager to mention this to head office. Hopefully other people will do the same.

I think the store manager will not care and GW will not care.

A small rulebook would be nice since carrying a large one around is a pain.

 Kain wrote:

Makumba wrote:

 Selym wrote:



Yeah, but they still take up the HQ slot that really should be used for allying with daemons, given the state of the dex overall.

Then play unbound . Basic sorc is what 65-100pts, you could easily take 3-4 in a 1750 list. With familiars to re-roll dice. Ally in some heralds and horrors and you could be dominating the psychic phase.

Some people want to win without resorting to unseemly methods for the uncivilized.

I was thinking more along the lines of the current Ed, but okay.

The manager and GW may not care, however I am not going to pay for the whole set when I only want the rulebook.

I love the new rules for FMC. Mostly because I run two.

 welshhoppo wrote:
I love the new rules for FMC. Mostly because I run two.

I am the only one in my meta with a FMC (A DP) so I am happy.

Assuming we'll be arsed to play the new edition.

Just the fact that FMC only take one grounding test per turn. like WTF?

 Kilkrazy wrote:

Spoiler:

 Seaward wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 slowthar wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
The best news that the book is being split into three parts which is a huge improvement. I look forwards to buying just the rulebook and not the fluff and art books as it will be a lot cheaper. Much of my resentment towards 6th edition is caused by the very high prices of the rulebooks.

Are you sure about that? From what I had read, yes, they're going to be physically three different books, but they're going to be sold collectively as a set for $80. Maybe your source is more up to date than mine? Or are you assuming getting just one of the three from eBay?

I assume GW will sell the rulebook separately.

I think that's optimistic. They know an awful lot of people would buy only the rules, and they're not going to let you get ahold of 7E rules more cheaply than they did 6E.

I shall go into the GW and ask for the rules separately. If they don't sell them I will not buy the full set, and ask the manager to mention this to head office. Hopefully other people will do the same.

I have resigned to waiting until some sort of rules-only product comes out.

I believe GW is bound to release this once it believes it has consumed the market of customers willing to buy the whole kit and kaboodle. They will still want whatever revenue they can still garner from customers who as more restrained on purchasing, and I can bet even GW realizes that there will be a substantial portion of their base that is not buying the $85 version because the last rulebook came so soon.

Now, if everyone went the route of waiting, I bet you'd see a digital rules-only release within the month!

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I shall go into the GW and ask for the rules separately. If they don't sell them I will not buy the full set, and ask the manager to mention this to head office. Hopefully other people will do the same.

Despite my long-standing policy of avoiding GW stores like the plague, I'll go ahead and do the same.

 happygolucky wrote:



Now based on this I have a good feeling about this edition, it even states in the book that you do not have to play against unbound armies, so I'm a happy chappy

You didn't need a rule for that, you know. Playing Warhammer 40k is not compulsory.

Also. The rules book also states that points limits are optional. Note that it doesn't say that the LEVEL of points limits are optional, that they are optional in their entirety.

 Glorywarrior wrote:
Just the fact that FMC only take one grounding test per turn. like WTF?

It's better than.


"OH MY GOD!!! A LASGUN HIT ME IN THE EYE!!!!! I'M BLIND DAMMIT!!!! IT DIDN'T EVEN PIERCE THE JELLY OF MY EYEBALL BUT I'M GOING TO CRASH INTO THIS ROCK NOW!"

Which I always thought was a bit silly, surely the fact that it didn't wound him meant the attack was ineffective.

I only thing I really want to see is an assault buff since I mostly play Kill Team. Other than that, I really could care less since I have other games to tie up my time, so I really do not feel any way yet.

7th edition is the worst so far from what I have seen.

4th was excellent (except the fact that any unit could score), 5th was solid (though cried parking lot / mech lists everywhere); 6th was bursting at the seams due to changes and introduction of new elements, but still tried to stick true to the tried and tested core rules mechanic (although assault armies too a massive beating - and the nid codex give bug players the finishing blow), but 7th will completely throw any semblance of order out of the water.

promising to fix several 6th edition exploits (except fixing assault), they will break things elsewhere and cause more harm than good. 40k as we know it is dead already, and has just boiled down to buying all the toys GW releases every month, if not every week.

For the past year GW marketing is more and more oriented about customers with short attention spans.

Can we all hope they actually clear up the IC with Infiltration conundrum?

 welshhoppo wrote:

 Glorywarrior wrote:
Just the fact that FMC only take one grounding test per turn. like WTF?

It's better than.


"OH MY GOD!!! A LASGUN HIT ME IN THE EYE!!!!! I'M BLIND DAMMIT!!!! IT DIDN'T EVEN PIERCE THE JELLY OF MY EYEBALL BUT I'M GOING TO CRASH INTO THIS ROCK NOW!"

Which I always thought was a bit silly, surely the fact that it didn't wound him meant the attack was ineffective.

^this.

It's beyond idiotic to see millennia-old warp monsters who are veterans of millions of warzones panic every time a bullet whips by.

I hope it's in the right direction with respect to the game being better and the armies getting a bit more balance from the rules, Orks and assault armies are useless now. I hope that changes.

We will have to see, maybe they took the big loss as an indicator that we aren't going to buy your stuff if the game isn't good or fun to play anymore.

They have a bad track record, but when 7th drops, one of two things will happen. We buy it and like it or we don't and the game continues it's decline.

I for one hope it is better.

 icemansk wrote:
I hope it's in the right direction with respect to the game being better and the armies getting a bit more balance from the rules, Orks and assault armies are useless now. I hope that changes.

We will have to see, maybe they took the big loss as an indicator that we aren't going to buy your stuff if the game isn't good or fun to play anymore.

They have a bad track record, but when 7th drops, one of two things will happen. We buy it and like it or we don't and the game continues it's decline.

I for one hope it is better.

What I'm hoping is that GW will finally stop making short-term cash grabs, and try to go back to building up the customer base. A non-sustainable company is a crap one, and its shareholders will bail at the first sign of trouble. Sustainable ones will find that when things get bad, shareholders may stick around hoping to win out in the long term.

I hear that snapfire may be changed to -2 BS...

PLEASE!

 Selym wrote:

 icemansk wrote:
I hope it's in the right direction with respect to the game being better and the armies getting a bit more balance from the rules, Orks and assault armies are useless now. I hope that changes.

We will have to see, maybe they took the big loss as an indicator that we aren't going to buy your stuff if the game isn't good or fun to play anymore.

They have a bad track record, but when 7th drops, one of two things will happen. We buy it and like it or we don't and the game continues it's decline.

I for one hope it is better.

What I'm hoping is that GW will finally stop making short-term cash grabs, and try to go back to building up the customer base. A non-sustainable company is a crap one, and its shareholders will bail at the first sign of trouble. Sustainable ones will find that when things get bad, shareholders may stick around hoping to win out in the long term.

This. 7th feels like a step towards re-making 40k into a fun, semi-realistic (to the setting) game. The Unbound and Iron-forged armies come down to the PLAYERS, and not GW itself. If you pop into a GW store or a FLGS and someone brings 10 riptides, then don't play them. It's pretty much the same thing as someone coming to look for a game of apocalypse.

So far 7th looks to me like a good decision. I only can hope assault armies like Orks aren't canned, but I doubt it with the openness 7th sounds like it's bringing. Plus, it's not as if you need to follow the rules directly - talk it out with your fellow players. There still is rules flexibility.

Negative-neutral. (4 on a scale of 1-10).

Subject to change, but carrying the weight of a lot of negative feeling.

The Auld Grump

Unbound armies are not an issue on its own.

People who will use then are

 Selym wrote:

 welshhoppo wrote:

 Glorywarrior wrote:
Just the fact that FMC only take one grounding test per turn. like WTF?

It's better than.


"OH MY GOD!!! A LASGUN HIT ME IN THE EYE!!!!! I'M BLIND DAMMIT!!!! IT DIDN'T EVEN PIERCE THE JELLY OF MY EYEBALL BUT I'M GOING TO CRASH INTO THIS ROCK NOW!"

Which I always thought was a bit silly, surely the fact that it didn't wound him meant the attack was ineffective.

^this.

It's beyond idiotic to see millennia-old warp monsters who are veterans of millions of warzones panic every time a bullet whips by.

Didn't you know that Pathfinders with markerlights are the number one reason why the forces of Chaos and the Tyranid swarms fear to do battle with the Tau?

 Kain wrote:

 Selym wrote:

 welshhoppo wrote:

 Glorywarrior wrote:
Just the fact that FMC only take one grounding test per turn. like WTF?

It's better than.


"OH MY GOD!!! A LASGUN HIT ME IN THE EYE!!!!! I'M BLIND DAMMIT!!!! IT DIDN'T EVEN PIERCE THE JELLY OF MY EYEBALL BUT I'M GOING TO CRASH INTO THIS ROCK NOW!"

Which I always thought was a bit silly, surely the fact that it didn't wound him meant the attack was ineffective.

^this.

It's beyond idiotic to see millennia-old warp monsters who are veterans of millions of warzones panic every time a bullet whips by.

Didn't you know that Pathfinders with markerlights are the number one reason why the forces of Chaos and the Tyranid swarms fear to do battle with the Tau?

Fk Tau. Fk markerlights.

...making my army unplayable....

From what I've seen so far it seems like an improvement. But then again I only play my friends and don't play tourney.
We play a transparent game with the focus on playing a tactical game for fun, seeing what works well and what doesn't (without building the cheesey/OP/Death Star/ blah blah blah lists)
Looking forward to unbound lists, so much freedom to take interesting army lists especially for "scripted" missions.

 Selym wrote:

Fk Tau. Fk markerlights.

...making my army unplayable....

What is your army?

 kronk wrote:

 Selym wrote:

Fk Tau. Fk markerlights.

...making my army unplayable....

What is your army?

CSM.

 Mad Boss Morgrot wrote:
From what I've seen so far it seems like an improvement. But then again I only play my friends and don't play tourney.
We play a transparent game with the focus on playing a tactical game for fun, seeing what works well and what doesn't (without building the cheesey/OP/Death Star/ blah blah blah lists)
Looking forward to unbound lists, so much freedom to take interesting army lists especially for "scripted" missions.

Agreed. The changes sound good for the most part, I like the idea of tactical objectives awarding victory points every turn rather than just at the end of the game. I'm not crazy about the psychic phase, but I'm prepared to wait and see it in action before passing judgement.

Looks like they may have pulled it off. A major revamp from the Jervis video explanation on GW's website. Kinda rationalizes why they took the step. It's a changed universe now that the big cat is out of the bag. Guessing you will be able to get just the rules at some point but can get all three books if you are relatively new to the hobby or addicted to it. Will be interesting to see if you 'have to have' the other two non-rules books - ie: certain army characteristic that you must know to apply the rules. One would hope the codex would have that info already so it is not a constant catch-up on how to play the 'new' game. Are we entering a bright sunlit upland where we can play in a blissful state of rules stability for awhile?

 ciaotym wrote:
Will be interesting to see if you 'have to have' the other two non-rules books - ie: certain army characteristic that you must know to apply the rules. One would hope the codex would have that info already so it is not a constant catch-up on how to play the 'new' game. Are we entering a bright sunlit upland where we can play in a blissful state of rules stability for awhile?

Codexes will probably have army-specific rules in them, especially if a codex gets updated. I think we have a playable game now, but we'll just have to see how things are next week.
Currently you can only buy the 3 books as a set, but because of that I think you could go to a store and ask to buy only one, or that they'll be sold individually as well.

 Selym wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 Selym wrote:

Fk Tau. Fk markerlights.

...making my army unplayable....

What is your army?

CSM.

How are tau worse to you then any other of the good armies out there. The problem is not marker lights , but chaos having three books based around helldrakes .

I dislike the change to snap fire . Suddenly marines and eldar are going to be taking down my vendetta even easier and are going to have a more effective overwatch. I think I will take out the last vendetta I have in my list , It goes down very fast now and with unbound and the change to snap fire I may as well not bother.

I wonder how GW thinks AM armies stop demons FMC or nid skyblight builds , without having good interceptors? Always go first and play with no terrain maybe .

All we wanted was to make assault a little better and the allies chart toned down right?

Codex updates would/should then make the 6.5ed even more balanced.

Instead, they went full ret**d...