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Need information. Not making a call until I see it.

 sing your life wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Im 50/50 on it for now and am in the camp of wait and see.

things i like : assault buffs,
things i dont like : vehicles scoring

the rest im not sure yet.

Why don't you like vehicles scoring desu?

Overly spammable dedicated transports being able to turbo boost turn 5 capturing points.

same with fast vehicles like Tau tetras or piranha tank shocking people off objectives.

or vehicles that are very hard to kill like land raiders (even worse the forge world variety)
as mentioned earlier as well with dedicated flyers like necron scythes though that is more situational.

Its a little thing but like i said ima wait and see exactly what we are getting before i cry the sky is falling.

Thus far, with consolidation into new combats coming back, psychic powers getting a Fantasy style Magic phase, and "Unbound" armies composed of whatever people want to toss on a table, none of it sounds particularly fun or engaging.

 Desubot wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Im 50/50 on it for now and am in the camp of wait and see.

things i like : assault buffs,
things i dont like : vehicles scoring

the rest im not sure yet.

Why don't you like vehicles scoring desu?

Overly spammable dedicated transports being able to turbo boost turn 5 capturing points.

same with fast vehicles like Tau tetras or piranha tank shocking people off objectives.

or vehicles that are very hard to kill like land raiders (even worse the forge world variety)
as mentioned earlier as well with dedicated flyers like necron scythes though that is more situational.

Its a little thing but like i said ima wait and see exactly what we are getting before i cry the sky is falling.

Flyers shouldn't be allowed to score. I can imagine a tank holding an area and keeping infantry away. This is just a tactical game after all. Its not like the tank needs to stay there for days or weeks camping out the objective. But a flyer which is zooming by cannot even pretend to be in control of an object.

I would hope the new object card system helps to alleviate last turn objective grabbing. Are the cards still just rumors? It sounds like the cards would have you trying to claim objectives as quickly as possible (so you have the opportunity to reveal more objectives and claim more). in that case, you would have to use your dedicated transports early on and would expose them.

it sounds terrible but who knows, maybe it will shock everyone. mid way through fifth i was thinking of starting an army. then the grey knight unbalance hit and i decided to wait and see if they would get their gak together. seems to have been downhill ever since. im happy i didn't waste the time.

 Desubot wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Im 50/50 on it for now and am in the camp of wait and see.

things i like : assault buffs,
things i dont like : vehicles scoring

the rest im not sure yet.

Why don't you like vehicles scoring desu?

Overly spammable dedicated transports being able to turbo boost turn 5 capturing points.

same with fast vehicles like Tau tetras or piranha tank shocking people off objectives.

or vehicles that are very hard to kill like land raiders (even worse the forge world variety)
as mentioned earlier as well with dedicated flyers like necron scythes though that is more situational.

Its a little thing but like i said ima wait and see exactly what we are getting before i cry the sky is falling.

I don't see how those are different from hiding Jetbikes boosting across the board on the last turn, or MC/deathstar units sitting on objectives.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Im 50/50 on it for now and am in the camp of wait and see.

things i like : assault buffs,
things i dont like : vehicles scoring

the rest im not sure yet.

Why don't you like vehicles scoring desu?

Overly spammable dedicated transports being able to turbo boost turn 5 capturing points.

same with fast vehicles like Tau tetras or piranha tank shocking people off objectives.

or vehicles that are very hard to kill like land raiders (even worse the forge world variety)
as mentioned earlier as well with dedicated flyers like necron scythes though that is more situational.

Its a little thing but like i said ima wait and see exactly what we are getting before i cry the sky is falling.

I don't see how those are different from hiding Jetbikes boosting across the board on the last turn, or MC/deathstar units sitting on objectives.

It isn't very much different (except i think a tank squadron like hellhounds could effectively tank shock a whole unit out of 3" contesting range IF it still relevant in 7th)
I also hate last second jetbike contesting anyway so probably explains why i also hate this

 Orock wrote:

 Jaceevoke wrote:

Zodiark wrote:

 Orock wrote:
Keeping my own opinion to myself to avoid tainting any results. Do you feel, with what we know so far as facts, that the coming changes will be a positive for the community and game as a whole or a negative. Again not based on rumors you might have or not have heard, such as consolidating into meelee that hasent been seen on paper or talked about by GW specifically. Just on what we know as fact so far, such as unbound lists, everything scores (though troops score better, you will have to read). Ect...

What are these facts you speak of? Have yet to see anything from an official source

What he meant was to to take the rumors as facts for the purpose of this poll

No, in fact I specifically said to avoid the rumors, and just go off known facts. Look there is a video out by jervis, spoilered above in this very thread, that explains these new rules.

My apologies I misunderstood your original post

 Selym wrote:

 slowthar wrote:
I like any buff that comes to assault right now. However, I am concerned that further discarding the FOC will throw the game further into an unbalanced state where a pickup game is nearly impossible, and I believe that will drive enough people out that it will be the final nail in the coffin for GW.

We've said this about every single addition/change to 40k for the last 5 years.

Well, maybe you have; I'm sure SOMEBODY has, but I haven't before. I am now. And hey, I could be completely wrong.

Who knows, maybe Jervis is a genius and I don't give him enough credit, but everything from my past experience with this game and this company suggests that these guys probably played a bunch of super fluffy games without the FOC and went, "this is a fantastic way to play! let's roll it out!" and not one of them was a big enough a**hole to bring an army of 3 Riptides, 4 Wraithknights, and 6 Heldrakes so all the other ones could see how terribly unfun it can be.

Don't get me wrong, throwing out the FOC is probably a fantastic way for some people to play. My concern is that it will ruin the game for a significant number of people, and there's only so many people that can stop playing before the company can no longer stay afloat. If the game has this laser-focus on this specific type of gamer, to the exclusion of others, my concern is that it will no longer have broad enough appeal to stay financially viable.

Minor tweaks that somehow constitute a new edition don't get me excited at all. There are still core, fundamental rules with 40k that I hate. Alas the dream of GW doing a full rewrite will never happen.

I like the changes. They're more additive than an entire overhaul, which would require more than 2 years to be done. I treat this as Reaper of Souls did to Diablo 3: breathed new life on it.

Im starting to lean towards liking it. only because of the supposed ally chart redux where there are less battle brother best friends forever around.

as well as psychic phase that may allow us to finally deal with blessings.

or not we will see.

 Desubot wrote:
Im starting to lean towards liking it. only because of the supposed ally chart redux where there are less battle brother best friends forever around.

as well as psychic phase that may allow us to finally deal with blessings.

or not we will see.

 Orock wrote:

Oh, joy. Looks like GW is trying to get ALL players to buy the Daemons Codex.

 Selym wrote:

 Orock wrote:

Oh, joy. Looks like GW is trying to get ALL players to buy the Daemons Codex.

you think that's bad, wait till you see the vehicle rules.

also

From Bell of Lost Souls:
Warhammer 7th Edition: Price: roughly $80
Edition is presented in a new format, 3 hardcover books in a slipcover. Pagecount of all three is about 450 pages in total:
The Rulebook: @200 pages, only rules
The Grimdark: @128 pages - Fluff and history of the Warhammer universe
The Hobby: @114 pages - Full miniatures and hobby book. All splash pics, and intro to the hobby stuff.

 Orock wrote:

 Selym wrote:

 Orock wrote:

Oh, joy. Looks like GW is trying to get ALL players to buy the Daemons Codex.

you think that's bad, wait till you see the vehicle rules.

What's the bet that Tanks will be the new black?

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnd I can already see spammed cursed earth on assault termies..

2+ Inv Sv termies? sure, go ahead..

People really do hate tanks becoming the big thing? I say bring it on I love Tanks and if tanks are getting better then I know Walkers will get better..

Bring Back the Kan wall I say

 happygolucky wrote:
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnd I can already see spammed cursed earth on assault termies..

2+ Inv Sv termies? sure, go ahead..

People really do hate tanks becoming the big thing? I say bring it on I love Tanks and if tanks are getting better then I know Walkers will get better..

Bring Back the Kan wall I say

Termies won't get jack from that power - only Daemonics.

However, daemon armies are now going to be harder than Slaanesh's thingy at an all-daemonette party.

 Orock wrote:

 Selym wrote:

 Orock wrote:

Oh, joy. Looks like GW is trying to get ALL players to buy the Daemons Codex.

you think that's bad, wait till you see the vehicle rules.

have something to share?

No, I don't. But I also don't believe most of what I've seen so far, so we'll see how it all shakes out before I make a decision.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Orock wrote:

 Selym wrote:

 Orock wrote:

Oh, joy. Looks like GW is trying to get ALL players to buy the Daemons Codex.

you think that's bad, wait till you see the vehicle rules.

have something to share?

not with picture backup, sorry no. And I wanted the thread to be about proven changes, not rumors.

 Orock wrote:

Well slap my ass and call me Susie. So ML 3 Psykers can, I'm assuming, spawn a squad of something every turn.

Too early to tell, but GWs focus on what is easily perceived as a model selling tactic, ie. "unbound" lists does not bode well especially given the potential annoyances for pick up games and balance issues.

 Smokeydubbs wrote:

 Orock wrote:

Well slap my ass and call me Susie. So ML 3 Psykers can, I'm assuming, spawn a squad of something every turn.

Remember that you will have the possibility to block psychic powers with DTW dice. Psychic powers hopefully wont be "roll 2d6 below 10 and laugh your ass off".

40k was already loosing players and the pickup game culture in 6th, now this is going to further hurt the game and drive more people away by making pickup games much harder to get.
Also, $80 for the new triple rule book is yet another barrier for new players. Not to mention the already too expensive codices. And you're looking at a heavy investment before you even buy your first model. That will be hard to justify in many people's minds.
I wanted 40k to change, but this is the wrong direction.

I think 6th has had some of the worst mechanics I haven't experienced since the Rogue Trader era. I will be happy to see it tossed.

Does this mean that potentially a Lord of Change with one wound left could summon a Lord of Charge to replace himself?

 welshhoppo wrote:
Does this mean that potentially a Lord of Change with one wound left could summon a Lord of Charge to replace himself?

It looks to be that way, yes. Now, what about the powers of the summoned demon? An endless chain of Fateweavers...

I don't know much but heres what I like:

Using fantasy rules for psykers. Most people seem to like this with the exception that super powerful psykers like ahriman and fateweaver will be able to block all spells pretty much and taking cheap psykers will no longer be a thing as they'll never get a spell off.

Here's what I don't like:

As I understand it, by taking a bound list, you get to re-roll the warlord trait. That's not a sufficient buff in my opinion. All non-god-tier troops will become obsolete. The buffs to FoC chart and allies chart bound armies simply needs to be much higher. When you're up against 8 Bloodthirsters or 8 heldrakes and tigurius having soul blaze on your warlords close combat attacks is not going to give you the advantage you need.

 Smokeydubbs wrote:

 Orock wrote:

Well slap my ass and call me Susie. So ML 3 Psykers can, I'm assuming, spawn a squad of something every turn.

So I should spam my farseers and watch demons roll onto the field to assist me?