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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/12 17:56:13
Subject: 7th edition: positive changes in your eyes, or negative? Poll
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Battlefortress Driver with Krusha Wheel
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Keeping my own opinion to myself to avoid tainting any results. Do you feel, with what we know so far as facts, that the coming changes will be a positive for the community and game as a whole or a negative. Again not based on rumors you might have or not have heard, such as consolidating into meelee that hasent been seen on paper or talked about by GW specifically. Just on what we know as fact so far, such as unbound lists, everything scores (though troops score better, you will have to read). Ect...
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warhammer 40k mmo. If I can drive an ork trukk into the back of a space marine dread and explode in a fireball of epic, I can die happy!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/12 17:59:27
Subject: 7th edition: positive changes in your eyes, or negative? Poll
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Preceptor
Rochester, NY
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I like any buff that comes to assault right now. However, I am concerned that further discarding the FOC will throw the game further into an unbalanced state where a pickup game is nearly impossible, and I believe that will drive enough people out that it will be the final nail in the coffin for GW.
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Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/12 18:01:53
Subject: 7th edition: positive changes in your eyes, or negative? Poll
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Dakka Veteran
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I hate the idea of Unbound lists and everything scores. To me it takes a big part of the game out.
I'm not looking forward to the release and will probably stay with 6th for a good few months.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/12 18:02:46
Subject: Re:7th edition: positive changes in your eyes, or negative? Poll
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Stoic Grail Knight
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Way too early to tell!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/12 18:04:12
Subject: 7th edition: positive changes in your eyes, or negative? Poll
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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To me, from what I've seen leaked regarding 7th edition, is that GW has basically thrown in the towel on making any kind of balanced rules-system, and has placed that burden on the player base between Forged and Unbound army-lists.
This, in a nutshell, is GW abandoning their jobs as game designers.
For that, then, I would rather buy their models for use in other games, than buy their models and their sh*tty rules for prices far beyond anything approaching rationality for such... poor effort.
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It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/12 18:08:05
Subject: 7th edition: positive changes in your eyes, or negative? Poll
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Fixture of Dakka
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Wait and see.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong". |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/12 18:08:38
Subject: Re:7th edition: positive changes in your eyes, or negative? Poll
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again poles based on opinions are not way to early to tell, its opinion. I could have asked it back when it was just announced that 7th existed and yes or no would be acceptable, heck people thought that a new edition only 2 years after the other was a bad idea, and thus opinions.
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warhammer 40k mmo. If I can drive an ork trukk into the back of a space marine dread and explode in a fireball of epic, I can die happy!
8k points
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/12 18:09:25
Subject: Re:7th edition: positive changes in your eyes, or negative? Poll
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
*bursts though room with axe* HEEEAAARRRS JHONNY!!!
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My opinion is based on this
Now based on this I have a good feeling about this edition, it even states in the book that you do not have to play against unbound armies, so I'm a happy chappy
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Night Lords (40k): 3500pts
Klan Zaw Klan: 4000pts
Whatever you use.. It's Cheesy, broken and OP |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/12 18:10:33
Subject: 7th edition: positive changes in your eyes, or negative? Poll
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Im 50/50 on it for now and am in the camp of wait and see.
things i like : assault buffs,
things i dont like : vehicles scoring
the rest im not sure yet.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/12 18:11:10
Subject: Re:7th edition: positive changes in your eyes, or negative? Poll
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Stoic Grail Knight
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Eh, I'm just not sure how much an opinion consensus poll does on this topic, especially since we have all of these separate blurbs without the rest of the context of the rules.
But to oblige another Dakkanaut, I will say currently that I feel the changes are negative.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/12 18:12:02
Subject: Re:7th edition: positive changes in your eyes, or negative? Poll
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Fixture of Dakka
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happygolucky wrote:My opinion is based on this
Now based on this I have a good feeling about this edition, it even states in the book that you do not have to play against unbound armies, so I'm a happy chappy
It says that? I missed that part. At least they make it official that you can have done in the first place. Sadly I see why "Proof" is needed. Now only if GW will make a stance on FW now.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong". |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/12 18:13:21
Subject: 7th edition: positive changes in your eyes, or negative? Poll
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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I think even with all the rage about 7th that just about anything is better then what we have now. Automatically Appended Next Post: Of course I would like to see 5th or heck even 4th back in over any other editions.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/12 18:26:49
Subject: Re:7th edition: positive changes in your eyes, or negative? Poll
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Brigadier General
The new Sick Man of Europe
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I have no strong views, so I didn't vote in the poll.
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DC:90+S+G++MB++I--Pww211+D++A++/fWD390R++T(F)DM+
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/12 18:27:52
Subject: 7th edition: positive changes in your eyes, or negative? Poll
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Dakka Veteran
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Voted no for one reason, command benefits. Warlord trait & superscoring units won't save you against 11 heldrakes, or 10 riptides.
Players fielding a FOC list or lore friendly list, should have serious advantages. Extra points, special rules etc would have been much more appropriate.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/12 18:48:51
Subject: 7th edition: positive changes in your eyes, or negative? Poll
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Drew_Riggio
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I love that everything is now scoring. I hated how arbitrary it was that only troops could score. I think that Unbound lists being unable to contest is a sensible weakness.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/12 18:54:43
Subject: 7th edition: positive changes in your eyes, or negative? Poll
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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GorillaWarfare wrote:I love that everything is now scoring. I hated how arbitrary it was that only troops could score. I think that Unbound lists being unable to contest is a sensible weakness.
As long as infantry can't be contested by vehicles I'm fine with everything scoring.
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"Bringer of death, speak your name, For you are my life, and the foe's death." - Litany of the Lasgun
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/12 18:58:03
Subject: 7th edition: positive changes in your eyes, or negative? Poll
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Lord of the Fleet
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Psienesis wrote:To me, from what I've seen leaked regarding 7th edition, is that GW has basically thrown in the towel on making any kind of balanced rules-system, and has placed that burden on the player base between Forged and Unbound army-lists.
This, in a nutshell, is GW abandoning their jobs as game designers.
For that, then, I would rather buy their models for use in other games, than buy their models and their sh*tty rules for prices far beyond anything approaching rationality for such... poor effort.
Exactly what I was going to say, but better put.
So...yeah, what Psienesis said.
Making a rule letting you ignore other rules does not good game design make.
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Mordian Iron Guard - Major Overhaul in Progress
+Spaceship Gaming Enthusiast+
Live near Halifax, NS? Ask me about our group, the Ordo Haligonias! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/12 18:58:18
Subject: 7th edition: positive changes in your eyes, or negative? Poll
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Dakka Veteran
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Orock wrote:Keeping my own opinion to myself to avoid tainting any results. Do you feel, with what we know so far as facts, that the coming changes will be a positive for the community and game as a whole or a negative. Again not based on rumors you might have or not have heard, such as consolidating into meelee that hasent been seen on paper or talked about by GW specifically. Just on what we know as fact so far, such as unbound lists, everything scores (though troops score better, you will have to read). Ect...
What are these facts you speak of? Have yet to see anything from an official source
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/12 18:59:49
Subject: 7th edition: positive changes in your eyes, or negative? Poll
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Battlefortress Driver with Krusha Wheel
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TheSilo wrote:GorillaWarfare wrote:I love that everything is now scoring. I hated how arbitrary it was that only troops could score. I think that Unbound lists being unable to contest is a sensible weakness.
As long as infantry can't be contested by vehicles I'm fine with everything scoring.
land raiders bought as part of a troop squad count as scoring. All night scythes with min squads count as scoring. 40 chimeras with 3 guys in em each from grey knights count as scoring.
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warhammer 40k mmo. If I can drive an ork trukk into the back of a space marine dread and explode in a fireball of epic, I can die happy!
8k points
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3k points
Admech 2.5k points
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/12 18:59:59
Subject: 7th edition: positive changes in your eyes, or negative? Poll
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Drew_Riggio
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TheSilo wrote:GorillaWarfare wrote:I love that everything is now scoring. I hated how arbitrary it was that only troops could score. I think that Unbound lists being unable to contest is a sensible weakness.
As long as infantry can't be contested by vehicles I'm fine with everything scoring.
I am fine with vehicles contesting objectives against infantry. I have a hard time believing that a squad of cultists are in control of a location if there is a landraider within 3 inches.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/12 19:00:05
Subject: 7th edition: positive changes in your eyes, or negative? Poll
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Brigadier General
The new Sick Man of Europe
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Desubot wrote:Im 50/50 on it for now and am in the camp of wait and see.
things i like : assault buffs,
things i dont like : vehicles scoring
the rest im not sure yet.
Why don't you like vehicles scoring desu?
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DC:90+S+G++MB++I--Pww211+D++A++/fWD390R++T(F)DM+
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/12 19:00:41
Subject: 7th edition: positive changes in your eyes, or negative? Poll
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Battlefortress Driver with Krusha Wheel
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Zodiark wrote: Orock wrote:Keeping my own opinion to myself to avoid tainting any results. Do you feel, with what we know so far as facts, that the coming changes will be a positive for the community and game as a whole or a negative. Again not based on rumors you might have or not have heard, such as consolidating into meelee that hasent been seen on paper or talked about by GW specifically. Just on what we know as fact so far, such as unbound lists, everything scores (though troops score better, you will have to read). Ect...
What are these facts you speak of? Have yet to see anything from an official source
yep, in fact a video was posted in this thread above you, if you care to watch. As well as information in official white dwarf magazines.
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warhammer 40k mmo. If I can drive an ork trukk into the back of a space marine dread and explode in a fireball of epic, I can die happy!
8k points
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Admech 2.5k points
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/12 19:01:21
Subject: 7th edition: positive changes in your eyes, or negative? Poll
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Irked Necron Immortal
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Zodiark wrote: Orock wrote:Keeping my own opinion to myself to avoid tainting any results. Do you feel, with what we know so far as facts, that the coming changes will be a positive for the community and game as a whole or a negative. Again not based on rumors you might have or not have heard, such as consolidating into meelee that hasent been seen on paper or talked about by GW specifically. Just on what we know as fact so far, such as unbound lists, everything scores (though troops score better, you will have to read). Ect...
What are these facts you speak of? Have yet to see anything from an official source
What he meant was to to take the rumors as facts for the purpose of this poll
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Everything I say, barring quotes and researched information, is my personal opinion. Not fact.
"Being into 40k but not the background is like being into porn but not masturbation..." - Kain
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/12 19:02:57
Subject: 7th edition: positive changes in your eyes, or negative? Poll
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Battlefortress Driver with Krusha Wheel
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Jaceevoke wrote:Zodiark wrote: Orock wrote:Keeping my own opinion to myself to avoid tainting any results. Do you feel, with what we know so far as facts, that the coming changes will be a positive for the community and game as a whole or a negative. Again not based on rumors you might have or not have heard, such as consolidating into meelee that hasent been seen on paper or talked about by GW specifically. Just on what we know as fact so far, such as unbound lists, everything scores (though troops score better, you will have to read). Ect...
What are these facts you speak of? Have yet to see anything from an official source
What he meant was to to take the rumors as facts for the purpose of this poll
No, in fact I specifically said to avoid the rumors, and just go off known facts. Look there is a video out by jervis, spoilered above in this very thread, that explains these new rules.
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warhammer 40k mmo. If I can drive an ork trukk into the back of a space marine dread and explode in a fireball of epic, I can die happy!
8k points
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Admech 2.5k points
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/12 19:03:52
Subject: Re:7th edition: positive changes in your eyes, or negative? Poll
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
*bursts though room with axe* HEEEAAARRRS JHONNY!!!
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Davor wrote: happygolucky wrote:My opinion is based on this Now based on this I have a good feeling about this edition, it even states in the book that you do not have to play against unbound armies, so I'm a happy chappy It says that? I missed that part. At least they make it official that you can have done in the first place. Sadly I see why "Proof" is needed. Now only if GW will make a stance on FW now. But yeah I agree I hope they give ruling to tell people that FW is legal (as it is but people just like failing their arms for no reason) If anyone can fix my image, it would be appreciated (apparently Dakka does not agree with FB  )
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Night Lords (40k): 3500pts
Klan Zaw Klan: 4000pts
Whatever you use.. It's Cheesy, broken and OP |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/12 19:05:45
Subject: 7th edition: positive changes in your eyes, or negative? Poll
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Drew_Riggio
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Although I am for vehicular scoring, the one issue that it brings is the ability of for the player with the last turn to just zoom their vehicles around and snatch things up, free of reprisals. This is more of an issue with the turn structure of the game, and not vehicles.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/12 19:16:04
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Battlefortress Driver with Krusha Wheel
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GorillaWarfare wrote:Although I am for vehicular scoring, the one issue that it brings is the ability of for the player with the last turn to just zoom their vehicles around and snatch things up, free of reprisals. This is more of an issue with the turn structure of the game, and not vehicles.
this problem was otherwise known as 5th edition
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warhammer 40k mmo. If I can drive an ork trukk into the back of a space marine dread and explode in a fireball of epic, I can die happy!
8k points
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Admech 2.5k points
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/12 19:23:07
Subject: 7th edition: positive changes in your eyes, or negative? Poll
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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slowthar wrote:I like any buff that comes to assault right now. However, I am concerned that further discarding the FOC will throw the game further into an unbalanced state where a pickup game is nearly impossible, and I believe that will drive enough people out that it will be the final nail in the coffin for GW.
We've said this about every single addition/change to 40k for the last 5 years.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/12 19:31:07
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Drew_Riggio
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Orock wrote:GorillaWarfare wrote:Although I am for vehicular scoring, the one issue that it brings is the ability of for the player with the last turn to just zoom their vehicles around and snatch things up, free of reprisals. This is more of an issue with the turn structure of the game, and not vehicles.
this problem was otherwise known as 5th edition
Its not just scoring with vehicles on the last turn. Its also running out into the open to get a better shot, or ignoring closer dangerous enemy units to instead focus on a farther away unit on an object, etc. There are a whole host of suicidal things you can do if you go last. There must be a nice solution to this problem, probably involving a more integrated turn structure. The solution is definitely not barring vehicles from scoring.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/12 19:32:51
Subject: 7th edition: positive changes in your eyes, or negative? Poll
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Lord of the Fleet
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Selym wrote: slowthar wrote:I like any buff that comes to assault right now. However, I am concerned that further discarding the FOC will throw the game further into an unbalanced state where a pickup game is nearly impossible, and I believe that will drive enough people out that it will be the final nail in the coffin for GW.
We've said this about every single addition/change to 40k for the last 5 years.
And for all you know, its absolutely correct.
You don't know how many people have left, never to return because of changes like this. You don't know how many are going to leave because of this edition. It very well may be the last nail in the coffin for many players.
Further, the game is sliding deeper into a state of total unbalance.
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Mordian Iron Guard - Major Overhaul in Progress
+Spaceship Gaming Enthusiast+
Live near Halifax, NS? Ask me about our group, the Ordo Haligonias! |
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