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Then why aren't you complaining about having to register to vote? It's a right, so why do we have to register?
They should tie your voting history to your name as well
So you would be OK with mandatory background checks?
Uh... that happens today.
Ever heard of a gunshow?
Then no, I don't support a license to own weapons. (other than the Class 3 ones)
As to the Gun Show Loophole, if you're a licensed dealer, you're still required to do the background check. If not, then simply you're just two consenting adults making a commercial transaction.
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There is something I would like to point out. I'm not arguing for or against guns. I don't really care either way. What I have gotten sick of is this automatic default to the second amendment by people who don't know what they are talking about. People who don't seem to see the "well regulated". People who don't realize that can legally infringe on your rights. People who seem to think that they know exactly what the framers meant when it was written. It was a long time ago, they did not have this technology. It was not designed to allow people to have tanks, portable fully-automatic weapons, and super-long range artillery weapons, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T EXIST! We have absolutely no idea what the framers would write if it was written now. In fact, anyone who proports otherwise obviously does not know what they are talking about. It's like the people who say "the constitution isn't a living document" despite the fact that it is. Or the people who think they can say whatever they want because of the first amendment. When arguing about guns, try to remember these things (all of you pro and con): 1. Read the entire thing, both the "well regulated" and "the right to bear arms". 2. Peoples' rights are sacrosanct and should not be infringed for no reason. 3. Peoples;' rights can be infringed upon if there is compelling reason.
Now if you'll excuse me, I would like to leave this bi-partisan idiocy (the only bi-partisan thing there is at this point), so please think, and don't attack me after I have left.
(That is to all of you, not one person. Just letting you know.)
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Co'tor Shas wrote: There is something I would like to point out. I'm not arguing for or against guns. I don't really care either way. What I have gotten sick of is this automatic default to the second amendment by people who don't know what they are talking about. People who don't seem to see the "well regulated". People who don't realize that can legally infringe on your rights. People who seem to think that they know exactly what the framers meant when it was written. It was a long time ago, they did not have this technology. It was not designed to allow people to have tanks, portable fully-automatic weapons, and super-long range artillery weapons, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T EXIST! We have absolutely no idea what the framers would write if it was written now. In fact, anyone who proports otherwise obviously does not know what they are talking about. It's like the people who say "the constitution isn't a living document" despite the fact that it is. Or the people who think they can say whatever they want because of the first amendment. When arguing about guns, try to remember these things (all of you pro and con):
1. Read the entire thing, both the "well regulated" "and the right to bear arms".
2. Peoples' rights are sacrosanct and should not be infringed for no reason.
3. Peoples;' rights can be infringed upon if there is compelling reason.
Now if you'll excuse me, I would like to leave this bi-partisan idiocy (the only bi-partisan thing there is at this point), so please think, and don't attack me after I have left.
(That is to all of you, not one person. Just letting you know.)
So what are you arguing about? Really.
The 2nd Amendment isn't hard to understand man.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Just read the Heller decision. Your answer lies within...
Then why aren't you complaining about having to register to vote? It's a right, so why do we have to register?
I'll take registering guns if all the other restrictionns are lifted and we're just like voting rights. Toi be equivalent to vote you would have to:
*Take a background check.
*Not have committed a felony.
*Have multiple forms of government issued ID.
*Be limited in who you could vote for and how you voted.
*Be limited in what type of ink or voting machine you could use.
*Be subject to felony for voting in the wrong location.
*Not be permitted to vote in Chicago, Washington DC, New York, New Jersey etc. etc.
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Then why aren't you complaining about having to register to vote? It's a right, so why do we have to register?
I'll take registering guns if all the other restrictionns are lifted and we're just like voting rights. Toi be equivalent to vote you would have to:
*Take a background check.
*Not have committed a felony.
*Have multiple forms of government issued ID.
*Be limited in who you could vote for and how you voted.
*Be limited in what type of ink or voting machine you could use.
*Be subject to felony for voting in the wrong location.
*Not be permitted to vote in Chicago, Washington DC, New York, New Jersey etc. etc.
Then why aren't you complaining about having to register to vote? It's a right, so why do we have to register?
I'll take registering guns if all the other restrictionns are lifted and we're just like voting rights. Toi be equivalent to vote you would have to:
*Take a background check.
*Not have committed a felony.
*Have multiple forms of government issued ID.
*Be limited in who you could vote for and how you voted.
*Be limited in what type of ink or voting machine you could use.
*Be subject to felony for voting in the wrong location.
*Not be permitted to vote in Chicago, Washington DC, New York, New Jersey etc. etc.
In addition, if you subtract people who said they got their gun as a gift, inheritance, or prize, the number dropped from 35.7 percent to 26.4 percent. And, in terms of how many people actually buy firearms at gun shows, the data from this same survey indicated that in 1994, only 3.9 percent of firearms purchases were made at gun shows.
Then why aren't you complaining about having to register to vote? It's a right, so why do we have to register?
They should tie your voting history to your name as well
So you would be OK with mandatory background checks?
No, I was hoping you'd find it a bad idea to tie people to their voting history.
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Then why aren't you complaining about having to register to vote? It's a right, so why do we have to register?
They have to have some way of acknowledging and recording the vote, it's also necessary for things like closed-primary elections and the like. Voter registration is necessary for the mechanics of voting to work.
There's also no monetary cost to registering to vote.
Registering to vote has not also historically been used to then come back after people for voting.
Firearm registration has a history of being used to disarm people. That's how the Nazi's disarmed most of the German populace in the 1930's, or for a more recent example, CA used the registry to confiscate certain makes of SKS rifles after banning them. They initially were not banned then the state decided they fell under the ban anyway but said that anyone who registered them could keep them, so many did. A court decision followed which said the State was not allowed to re-open the registry and thus all those weapons *couldn't* legally be registered, so then those that did register were identified and had to surrender their firearms after registering them in good faith.
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A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
No, I can't find it in there. I don't see anything about firearms for hunting either. Just something about the importance of militias. Do militias even really exist anymore?
And because the dissenting judge said it better than I could. (Nunn v. State, 1 Ga. 243, 251 (1846))
At some point the the right to bear firearms in the service of a militia was twisted into everyone has the right to buy a handgun.
His First question: Do miltias even really exisist anymore?
I replied stating that US CODE lists ALL Able-bodied men (not phsycially disabled) between the ages of 17 and 46 AS militia members.
His second statement is quote from a judge from Nunn v. State
Agian US CODE lists ALL Able-bodied men (not phsycially disabled) between the ages of 17 and 46 AS militia members.
Clauses were added to that code that includes women and excludes certain people.
Third, were you there? Did you talk to the framers? If not, than it's up to the court to decide. If they rule that it meant that the government could ban certain guns, all you can do it get another amendment passed (which is about as likely as the NRA calling for all guns to be banned).
Are you talking about the people who supported an open rebellion and used their own money to fund it? nope I wasn't there, nor you or anyone living today.
The government could ban all guns.. and they can have mine when they pry them from my cold dead hands.
Fourth, ever heard of yelling fire in a crowded theater. You have rights, right up until they infringe on others rights or well-being.
So when did the right to own any weapon infringe on others rights?
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I'm starting to believe that people who believe they need guns because they need guns and then reference themselves dying before they lose their guns have a slightly angled viewpoint. Perhaps an acute obsession with death? I dunno , it's just strange.
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Manchu - "But so what? The Bible also says the flood destroyed the world. You only need an allegorical boat to tackle an allegorical flood."
Shespits "Anything i see with YOLO has half naked eleventeen year olds Girls. And of course booze and drugs and more half naked elventeen yearolds Girls. O how i wish to YOLO again!"
Rubiksnoob "Next you'll say driving a stick with a Scandinavian supermodel on your lap while ripping a bong impairs your driving. And you know what, I'M NOT GOING TO STOP, YOU FILTHY COMMUNIST"
Bullockist wrote: I'm starting to believe that people who believe they need guns because they need guns and then reference themselves dying before they lose their guns have a slightly angled viewpoint. Perhaps an acute obsession with death? I dunno , it's just strange.
In addition, if you subtract people who said they got their gun as a gift, inheritance, or prize, the number dropped from 35.7 percent to 26.4 percent. And, in terms of how many people actually buy firearms at gun shows, the data from this same survey indicated that in 1994, only 3.9 percent of firearms purchases were made at gun shows.
Then why aren't you complaining about having to register to vote? It's a right, so why do we have to register?
They should tie your voting history to your name as well
So you would be OK with mandatory background checks?
No, I was hoping you'd find it a bad idea to tie people to their voting history.
Ever fill out a SF86?
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Bullockist wrote: I'm starting to believe that people who believe they need guns because they need guns and then reference themselves dying before they lose their guns have a slightly angled viewpoint. Perhaps an acute obsession with death? I dunno , it's just strange.
America, a faction in deathhammer 2k
Wut?
O.o
We're blood thirsty?
Most cultures who call for people to be killed after committing a crime i would consider the same way. Next time some hideous crime is posted on dakka read the US response and responses from other countries, it makes interesting reading.
Also name one other country that has almost had a war every decade since 1945. Not an ongoing war, ones in new theaters.
Manchu - "But so what? The Bible also says the flood destroyed the world. You only need an allegorical boat to tackle an allegorical flood."
Shespits "Anything i see with YOLO has half naked eleventeen year olds Girls. And of course booze and drugs and more half naked elventeen yearolds Girls. O how i wish to YOLO again!"
Rubiksnoob "Next you'll say driving a stick with a Scandinavian supermodel on your lap while ripping a bong impairs your driving. And you know what, I'M NOT GOING TO STOP, YOU FILTHY COMMUNIST"
Bullockist wrote: I'm starting to believe that people who believe they need guns because they need guns and then reference themselves dying before they lose their guns have a slightly angled viewpoint. Perhaps an acute obsession with death? I dunno , it's just strange.
America, a faction in deathhammer 2k
Wut?
O.o
We're blood thirsty?
Most cultures who call for people to be killed after committing a crime i would consider the same way. Next time some hideous crime is posted on dakka read the US response and responses from other countries, it makes interesting reading.
Also name one other country that has almost had a war every decade since 1945. Not an ongoing war, ones in new theaters.
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Bullockist wrote: I'm starting to believe that people who believe they need guns because they need guns and then reference themselves dying before they lose their guns have a slightly angled viewpoint. Perhaps an acute obsession with death? I dunno , it's just strange.
America, a faction in deathhammer 2k
Wut?
O.o
We're blood thirsty?
just more projection really... most anti gun people dont trust themselves with guns, so naturally assume everyone is like them.
In reality, if gun owners were in fact as violent as Anti-gun people claim they were, there wouldnt be any anti gun people left.
Manchu - "But so what? The Bible also says the flood destroyed the world. You only need an allegorical boat to tackle an allegorical flood."
Shespits "Anything i see with YOLO has half naked eleventeen year olds Girls. And of course booze and drugs and more half naked elventeen yearolds Girls. O how i wish to YOLO again!"
Rubiksnoob "Next you'll say driving a stick with a Scandinavian supermodel on your lap while ripping a bong impairs your driving. And you know what, I'M NOT GOING TO STOP, YOU FILTHY COMMUNIST"
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Also name one other country that has almost had a war every decade since 1945. Not an ongoing war, ones in new theaters.
Does Russia count or are we considering the USSR different? They were involved in the Korean war and invaded Hungary in the 1950's, crushed the Prague Spring in the 1960's, fought in Afghanistan in the 1970's and 1980's in addition to proxy wars, fought in Chechnya and Georgia/South Ossetia in the 90's and 2000's, and Ukraine now.
Also I think the UK would count too. They fought Egypt and various colonial conflicts in the 1950's and 1960's, they fought Argentina in the 80's, and fought beside the US in just about every conflict since then.
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Also name one other country that has almost had a war every decade since 1945. Not an ongoing war, ones in new theaters.
Does Russia count or are we considering the USSR different? They were involved in the Korean war and invaded Hungary in the 1950's, crushed the Prague Spring in the 1960's, fought in Afghanistan in the 1970's and 1980's in addition to proxy wars, fought in Chechnya and Georgia/South Ossetia in the 90's and 2000's, and Ukraine now.
Also I think the UK would count too. They fought Egypt and various colonial conflicts in the 1950's and 1960's, they fought Argentina in the 80's, and fought beside the US in just about every conflict since then.
I stand corrected!
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Manchu - "But so what? The Bible also says the flood destroyed the world. You only need an allegorical boat to tackle an allegorical flood."
Shespits "Anything i see with YOLO has half naked eleventeen year olds Girls. And of course booze and drugs and more half naked elventeen yearolds Girls. O how i wish to YOLO again!"
Rubiksnoob "Next you'll say driving a stick with a Scandinavian supermodel on your lap while ripping a bong impairs your driving. And you know what, I'M NOT GOING TO STOP, YOU FILTHY COMMUNIST"
Bullockist wrote: I'm starting to believe that people who believe they need guns because they need guns and then reference themselves dying before they lose their guns have a slightly angled viewpoint. Perhaps an acute obsession with death? I dunno , it's just strange.
America, a faction in deathhammer 2k
Wut?
O.o
We're blood thirsty?
Most cultures who call for people to be killed after committing a crime i would consider the same way. Next time some hideous crime is posted on dakka read the US response and responses from other countries, it makes interesting reading.
Also name one other country that has almost had a war every decade since 1945. Not an ongoing war, ones in new theaters.
I think Europeans are sick of war. How many continental wars have there been that impacted nearly everyone? Two alone in the last one hundred years. How many for America? None. Violence has been a completely foreign concept for everyone outside of the military for the past 4-5 generations. As such there is still a bit of glamour to it.
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Bullockist wrote: I'm starting to believe that people who believe they need guns because they need guns and then reference themselves dying before they lose their guns have a slightly angled viewpoint. Perhaps an acute obsession with death? I dunno , it's just strange.
America, a faction in deathhammer 2k
Wut?
O.o
We're blood thirsty?
Most cultures who call for people to be killed after committing a crime i would consider the same way. Next time some hideous crime is posted on dakka read the US response and responses from other countries, it makes interesting reading.
Also name one other country that has almost had a war every decade since 1945. Not an ongoing war, ones in new theaters.
I think Europeans are sick of war. How many continental wars have there been that impacted nearly everyone? Two alone in the last one hundred years. How many for America? None. Violence has been a completely foreign concept for everyone outside of the military for the past 4-5 generations. As such there is still a bit of glamour to it.
You never been in a fist fight?
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Are you really going to compare a fist fight to the impact of a years long war that wipes out a significant portion of the population to the extent that nearly an entire generation is wiped out? I don't know if you're being disingenuous or if you really don't understand the psychological impact on an entire society that total war can afflict. Americans have no idea what that it is like to have your birthplace conquered and destroyed.
I swear some people.
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trexmeyer wrote: Are you really going to compare a fist fight to the impact of a years long war that wipes out a significant portion of the population to the extent that nearly an entire generation is wiped out? I don't know if you're being disingenuous or if you really don't understand the psychological impact on an entire society that total war can afflict. Americans have no idea what that it is like to have your birthplace conquered and destroyed.
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