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http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Breaking-Reports-of-gunfire-at-Reynolds-High-School-262541971.html

An active shooter is on the loose at Reynolds High School in Oregon, according to reports.

KPTV said that the response at Reynolds is “massive” and says it is an “active shooter” situation with several injuries. The shooting took place shortly after 8 a.m. local time

A large number of emergency vehicles were staged in front of the school, KGW-TV reported.

The FBI and SWAT team are on the scene. KOIN-TV also said that homicide detectives were there as well but there’s no word on if there were any deaths.

A student tweeted that the school was placed on lockdown and police cars rolled up, the station said. KPTV reported that the school was indeed locked down, and officials are asking local residents to stay away from the campus until the situation is secure.

Reynolds High School is located on SW Cherry Park Road in Troutdale, Ore., which is a suburb of Portland.

Story is developing…

Whats up with all these school shootings? Its as if the educational system in USA wasnt bad enough so there is the added posibility of getting shot.

Like a lot of crime, it can and does spur copycats. Especially when its blasted over the media.

So we can partially blame the media for drawing so much attention to these things.

Daemonhammer wrote:
Whats up with all these school shootings? Its as if the educational system in USA wasnt bad enough so there is the added posibility of getting shot.

Well, there weren't that many of them, really, for quite a while. Then the media went nuts with the first one (Sandy Hook, I think). The fact that it was being "glamorized" as such caused there to be copy cats among the unstable crowd, which is mostly kids who are still mentally developing, emotionally volatile due to hormones/bullying/being kids, and just plain easy to influence.

The question we should be asking is "Why didn't this happen with Columbine?"

Perp is dead according to latest reports.

There was probably a different school culture back then, and kids being less sensitive overall. And less culture of entitlement.

Also not nearly as much social media where things can build up pressure to the breaking point.

 daedalus wrote:

Daemonhammer wrote:
Whats up with all these school shootings? Its as if the educational system in USA wasnt bad enough so there is the added posibility of getting shot.

Well, there weren't that many of them, really, for quite a while. Then the media went nuts with the first one (Sandy Hook, I think). The fact that it was being "glamorized" as such caused there to be copy cats among the unstable crowd, which is mostly kids who are still mentally developing, emotionally volatile due to hormones/bullying/being kids, and just plain easy to influence.

The question we should be asking is "Why didn't this happen with Columbine?"

Actually the real glamour started with the Amish School Shooting, that was when the copy cats started to appear.

 Commissar-Danno wrote:

 daedalus wrote:

Daemonhammer wrote:
Whats up with all these school shootings? Its as if the educational system in USA wasnt bad enough so there is the added posibility of getting shot.

Well, there weren't that many of them, really, for quite a while. Then the media went nuts with the first one (Sandy Hook, I think). The fact that it was being "glamorized" as such caused there to be copy cats among the unstable crowd, which is mostly kids who are still mentally developing, emotionally volatile due to hormones/bullying/being kids, and just plain easy to influence.

The question we should be asking is "Why didn't this happen with Columbine?"

Actually the real glamour started with the Amish School Shooting, that was when the copy cats started to appear.

I don't recall that one, but I'll take your word for it. That's not exactly the section of the news I particularly enjoy reading.

I recall reading that when it comes to mass shootings copy cats that happen in the recent aftermath are extremely common. After there is one high profile shooting it is to be expected that there will be several more in the following weeks.

I've heard it suggested that one of the factors is saturated media coverage and 24 hour 'rolling' news of these events that occurs in their wake. Especially when the name and footage of the perpetrator is repeated over and over again. Certain disturbed individuals then see it as an instant way to achieve fame. It's an interesting theory.

That would create a snowball effect possibly until the media gets bored.

Daemonhammer wrote:
That would create a snowball effect possibly until the media gets bored.

That's exactly what happens.

That or we have a fortunate break where at that moment in time there isn't a disturbed individual right at the tipping point where the reinforcement of the media would make the push(and so we don't have a shooting and the media runs its course)


Sensationalism is one of the more dangerous aspects of the media. Its just not nearly as obvious with other things.

Just look at what celebrities do and the ripples they cause in social media. Its no different than if we blare the face and name of a mass shooter over the news, it makes them a celebrity.

I feel like someone should control the media to stop them from causing panic.

Except in this case they aren't causing panic, or presenting a tangible danger. So there is nothing you can do but beg the media to not glamorize things. Which they will ignore because the media are total scumbags.

So how come these shootings don't happen as often in other places, since they also have mass media organisations? Is the american media particularly bad?

Thats one of the reason I no longer use media for news and information.
Its either glamorisation or blowing things out of proportions.

 Da Boss wrote:
So how come these shootings don't happen as often in other places, since they also have mass media organisations? Is the american media particularly bad?

I couldn't say. I don't really watch other news organizations.

Maybe our news media is much worse than others.

It's not just the US. On the same day the Sandy Hook attack occurred, a dude in China walked into an elementary school and slashed 22 kids.

I wonder who they are going to blame for this one :/

The Kid? Nah.

Lets blame something else that has a minimal impact on everything.

Anyway back on topic its sad to hear about this!

I own fire arms because I can given the 2nd Amendment. I do not hunt, sport shoot, or use my weapons to survive. I just own to own. To others I seem to be a very evil guy for I own "Assault" weapons. A type seen from OIF and OEF. I also own another "Assault" weapon that date back to the Korean War that has been handed down in my family Third generation recipient. I also own some collector weapons. Yet I am "evil" because I own them just to own them due to the 2nd Amendment allowing me to own them. Yet I am viewed by some as questionable due to actions individuals have done using "Assault" weapons. Yet I am not a victim. Nor do I advocate. Yet I own for the old "Oh Shi-za" moments, the occasional shoot in backyard moments, and at times a discussion topic. I won't press my view on why you should own a weapon but if ask for advice I can give you advice for whatever reason one think they should own a weapon. Its your money. Its your time. Its your investment. If you feel you should not own a weapon then who am I to tell you otherwise. Respect my decision and I respect yours.

The US has a vastly higher number of mass killings, especially when compared to other politically stable states.

I graduated from this high school back in the 90s

Grad in 89...........

Old Reynolds?

I heard NPR mention that we have statistically had one school shooting occur for every week of the school year over hte last two years.

Note: that doesn't mean there was one a week but that we have had the same number occur as their have been weeks of school.

 Swan-of-War wrote:
Old Reynolds?

Whoa now. Smokey and the Bandit was decent

 Easy E wrote:
I heard NPR mention that we have statistically had one school shooting occur for every week of the school year over hte last two years.

Note: that doesn't mean there was one a week but that we have had the same number occur as their have been weeks of school.

That came from Bloomberg's EveryTown site and the WashingtonPost, and it was very misleading and was debunked elsewhere.

At least the rate is going down.

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

National rates of gun homicide and other violent gun crimes are strikingly lower now than during their peak in the mid-1990s, paralleling a general decline in violent crime, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of government data. Beneath the long-term trend, though, are big differences by decade: Violence plunged through the 1990s, but has declined less dramatically since 2000.

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Even Obama's DoJ's supports those findings.
Disarming Realities: As Gun Sales Soar, Gun Crimes Plummet

According to DOJ’s Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. gun-related homicides dropped 39 percent over the course of 18 years, from 18,253 during 1993, to 11,101 in 2011. During the same period, non-fatal firearm crimes decreased even more, a whopping 69 percent. The majority of those declines in both categories occurred during the first 10 years of that time frame. Firearm homicides declined from 1993 to 1999, rose through 2006, and then declined again through 2011. Non-fatal firearm violence declined from 1993 through 2004, then fluctuated in the mid-to-late 2000s.

Wouldn't that be better titled as "Arming Realities: as gun sales soar, Gun crimes plummet"

 Jihadin wrote:

 Swan-of-War wrote:
Old Reynolds?

Whoa now. Smokey and the Bandit was decent

Nice one. Didn't Columbia and Reynolds merge around '90? Was asking if you were a Lancer (vs. a Raider).

Something like that.

Lancer

 whembly wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
I heard NPR mention that we have statistically had one school shooting occur for every week of the school year over hte last two years.

Note: that doesn't mean there was one a week but that we have had the same number occur as their have been weeks of school.

That came from Bloomberg's EveryTown site and the WashingtonPost, and it was very misleading and was debunked elsewhere.

At least the rate is going down.

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

National rates of gun homicide and other violent gun crimes are strikingly lower now than during their peak in the mid-1990s, paralleling a general decline in violent crime, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of government data. Beneath the long-term trend, though, are big differences by decade: Violence plunged through the 1990s, but has declined less dramatically since 2000.

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Even Obama's DoJ's supports those findings.
Disarming Realities: As Gun Sales Soar, Gun Crimes Plummet

According to DOJ’s Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. gun-related homicides dropped 39 percent over the course of 18 years, from 18,253 during 1993, to 11,101 in 2011. During the same period, non-fatal firearm crimes decreased even more, a whopping 69 percent. The majority of those declines in both categories occurred during the first 10 years of that time frame. Firearm homicides declined from 1993 to 1999, rose through 2006, and then declined again through 2011. Non-fatal firearm violence declined from 1993 through 2004, then fluctuated in the mid-to-late 2000s.

That's quite interesting, although the question that has to be answered is whether it is just correlation or cause. I seriously doubt that that is the reason why crime has plummeted, just that it has not contributed to crime.