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 easysauce wrote:
Seriously, people need to take some responsability for their own actions, its not rocket science to figure out how to eat healthy, people just have no willpower to forgo that bag of crisps for some veggies/fruit/healthy food instead.

Given the often conflicting nature of dietary advice being doled out to the general populace on a daily basis, I'd say your comments are more rooted in FYGM mind-set than actual reality.

Not to mention the wide variety of places where "veggies/fruit/healthy food" are literally not options.

Comparing maps of food deserts to obesity rates in the US is also enlightening. Simple version: areas with the most food deserts also tend to have the worst obesity rates.

I'm all for personal accountability, but when you realize that heroin addiciton has a higher recovery rate than obesity, it's hard to completely blame people on being weak willed.

 LordofHats wrote:
Nah. In the US food makers just say that a gallon jug of coffematte has six calories a serving and then in very tiny letters informs everyone that a jug of coffematte has 64 servings XD

You mean the serving size that is literally the second thing on a food nutrition label.....



I mean seriously. It isn't that hard to find.......


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 Polonius wrote:
I'm all for personal accountability, but when you realize that heroin addiciton has a higher recovery rate than obesity, it's hard to completely blame people on being weak willed.

Heroin addiction doesn't involve any exercise.....

 cincydooley wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
Nah. In the US food makers just say that a gallon jug of coffematte has six calories a serving and then in very tiny letters informs everyone that a jug of coffematte has 64 servings XD

Heroin addiction doesn't involve any exercise.....

I think there are a lot of people who have these short bursts where they want to better themselves physically via excercise, but do it wrong or overdo it and immediately fall back to old patterns. A friend of mine tried to lose weight a few years ago - headed to the gym, did some heavy lifting, was so sore next day that he didn't do anything for another two weeks. We suggested some cardio - he wanted to run, but his weight was too much for his knees. Stopped there, too, instead of going on a stationary bike or something.

Many might want to, but lack the in-depth motivation to learn about healthy and long-term options for cardiovascular fitness and weight loss.

 Witzkatz wrote:


Many might want to, but lack the in-depth motivation to learn about healthy and long-term options for cardiovascular fitness and weight loss.

And this is becoming a harder pill to swallow every day. Google and the rapid ability to get information today via the internet has made getting this information so laughably easy.

Couple that with the multitude of apps running around, and the tools are pretty readily available for anyone that really wants to.

But it's hard. And it takes follow thru. IMO, its actually much harder to maintain a "new" healthy lifestyle about 4 months in when you start to see less noticeable progress.

It's worth noting that, for all the suggestions about limiting care for obese people or punishing them in a similar way, the US still has a higher obesity rate than most countries that do have public healthcare.

 streamdragon wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
Seriously, people need to take some responsability for their own actions, its not rocket science to figure out how to eat healthy, people just have no willpower to forgo that bag of crisps for some veggies/fruit/healthy food instead.

Given the often conflicting nature of dietary advice being doled out to the general populace on a daily basis, I'd say your comments are more rooted in FYGM mind-set than actual reality.

Not to mention the wide variety of places where "veggies/fruit/healthy food" are literally not options.

Comparing maps of food deserts to obesity rates in the US is also enlightening. Simple version: areas with the most food deserts also tend to have the worst obesity rates.

no, its not in the FYGM.. thanks for just handwaiving it away and making a generalization that equates to insulting me... so much easier then people being responsable for themselves, because we cant have that now can we?

takes a reall special kind of person to call me not grounded in reality when all I am saying is that people WILL face the consequences of their actions. You eat bad food and excercise too little, you get fat, that is reality.

its all this BS mumbo jumbo that tries to deflect responsability from the person shoving garbage into their food hole that is not rooted in reality.


if people cannot figure out that eating carrots/veggies/fruit is healthy, and that potatoe chips, burgers, junk food, and 99% of stuff they serve "at places where they dont have fruits/veggies" will make them fat, then that is on THEM

None of the places you mention are the ONLY spots available, anyone with a lick of common sense knows that every single super market has veggies and fruits that you can buy instead of big macs or whatever other junk food is around. There are also wonderfull technologies like canning and refrigeration that bring healthy food to the most remote places on earth.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Witzkatz wrote:


Many might want to, but lack the in-depth motivation to learn about healthy and long-term options for cardiovascular fitness and weight loss.

And this is becoming a harder pill to swallow every day. Google and the rapid ability to get information today via the internet has made getting this information so laughably easy.

Couple that with the multitude of apps running around, and the tools are pretty readily available for anyone that really wants to.

But it's hard. And it takes follow thru. IMO, its actually much harder to maintain a "new" healthy lifestyle about 4 months in when you start to see less noticeable progress.

I definitely see your point, but I fear it's a sad fact that large parts of the population - when it comes to learning about a completely new subject like healthy foods or excercises - aren't used to gathering their own facts, independently, and deciding what might work for them or not. Many will do that, but not enough to have the positive impact that seems to be needed at this point.

 Fafnir wrote:
It's worth noting that, for all the suggestions about limiting care for obese people or punishing them in a similar way, the US still has a higher obesity rate than most countries that do have public healthcare.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

 daedalus wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
You can also spend one day to do prepwork, so all you have to do on the individual days is to get your bags and cook.

So now I have to spend my day off from the office cooking for those days im at the office?
You have to get in the mindset of someone who doesnt have alot of time to do that stuff

I dumped about 5 hours into making a stew that lasted about 4 servings (a couple of those were multiple people), three loaves of bread, and some homemake sourdough pancakes one night last week.

My mom spent Sundays cooking up most of the food for the next week. It's really seriously doable.

We do this, too. Stew, Lasagna, other dishes that 2 people can get 3 meals each.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Witzkatz wrote:


Many might want to, but lack the in-depth motivation to learn about healthy and long-term options for cardiovascular fitness and weight loss.

And this is becoming a harder pill to swallow every day. Google and the rapid ability to get information today via the internet has made getting this information so laughably easy.

Couple that with the multitude of apps running around, and the tools are pretty readily available for anyone that really wants to.

But it's hard. And it takes follow thru. IMO, its actually much harder to maintain a "new" healthy lifestyle about 4 months in when you start to see less noticeable progress.

Not to mention about 99% of the stuff floating around on the internet is complete crap. Lucky we don't have that problem on dakka

As a foreigner, when I was in Milwaukee for a year, I noticed something that an Irish comedian once pointed out whose name I forgot...while the US has this high overweight and obesity rate, it also seemed to have a lot of fitness nuts. At least that was my impression, more of both extremes. Germany is another country with a rising obesity problem, so I'm not trying to say we're better or anything, it was just an observation that, where more people in GER seem to gravitate around "kinda average/normal" to me, the US had more super fat people and more super fit people. Can there be some kind of cultural thing behind this? You definitely have more college sports than us on one hand, and are the birth nation of modern fast food on the other hand...

 Witzkatz wrote:

I definitely see your point, but I fear it's a sad fact that large parts of the population - when it comes to learning about a completely new subject like healthy foods or excercises - aren't used to gathering their own facts, independently, and deciding what might work for them or not. Many will do that, but not enough to have the positive impact that seems to be needed at this point.

Thats the US in a nutshell, isn't it?

I think I've said this before, but my general rule is that if I can't pronounce it easily, or it has a number in the ingredient list, I try and avoid it. It doesn't happen all the time, and we do eat out once or twice a month, but I still make an effort.

And to be clear, I'm not a paragon of health by any stretch. I've still got a few inches I'd like to lose and then tone up.

But I don't blame other things for any of that. It's wholly on me.

 Ouze wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
With my wife and I geographically separated I have my daughter, the dogs, the horses, a full time job and the normal chores associated with keeping up a house. We still eat healthy.

A guy who can afford to keep horses also can afford to eat better/healthier? Say it ain't so.

 CptJake wrote:
Actually my sure fire weight loss trick is pneumonia. When I had it a few years ago I lost over 25 pounds in about 3 weeks (two of that in the hospital).

Except for it almost killing me and it taking me more than 6 months to really recover, it was great!

Appendicitis also worked wonders for me - I got a secondary infection and had to be re-admitted, and man, I lost about 20 pounds, it was pretty awesome.

The weight loss, not the infection. Or the appendicitis.

Though not as extreme as you fethers, tonsillectomy here. For about 2 weeks I couldn't eat much of anything.

I aslo fail to understand how eating out saves time or money...

you drive there, wait in line, wait for them to cook it ect...

I can whip up dozens of nutricious, delicious means in under 5 minutes of prep time, and 15-30 minutes of cooking time, lots of easy to make, inexpensive things dont even require cooking (salads, sandwiches, ect)

that coupled with cooking things in large batches and storing them to eat over the week, I spend less then 1/2 a day on prepping meals for myself.

a mc donalds burger fries and drink costs my about 9 dollars,

I can get a much tastier, healthier burger with fries (or gasp* SALAD) for about 3-4$...

if I make 5 burgers I can just re heat them over the week and it takes less time then going to the local burger joint.

also water is FREE!


and healthier then soda!

DO PEOPLE NOT KNOW THIS?!?

 cincydooley wrote:

 Witzkatz wrote:

I definitely see your point, but I fear it's a sad fact that large parts of the population - when it comes to learning about a completely new subject like healthy foods or excercises - aren't used to gathering their own facts, independently, and deciding what might work for them or not. Many will do that, but not enough to have the positive impact that seems to be needed at this point.

Thats the US in a nutshell, isn't it?

I think I've said this before, but my general rule is that if I can't pronounce it easily, or it has a number in the ingredient list, I try and avoid it. It doesn't happen all the time, and we do eat out once or twice a month, but I still make an effort.

And to be clear, I'm not a paragon of health by any stretch. I've still got a few inches I'd like to lose and then tone up.

But I don't blame other things for any of that. It's wholly on me.

I think it also doesn't help that there are, of course, people trying to make lots of money out of people trying to get in shape, and selling them crap or overpriced unhealthy excercises, too, which might make some people wary of the "health scene". As Random Dude pointed out, the internet is full of semi-useless health and fitness tips, too. Of course, with some effort, one can sift through the garbage and find the useless information, but that brings us back to the first point.

 Soladrin wrote:

 Random Dude wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Random Dude wrote:
Also, people never follow serving size suggestions. Do you know anyone who eats just 1/2 cup of ice cream at a time?

Or how "small" a 6 oz. steak or piece of chicken/ pork, etc. is?

You can feel free to eat over a 6 oz. chicken breast. Boneless, skinless, grilled- very healthy.

And tasteless.

Kronk's Breast Rub will knock you out. Mmm, Texas Sweet BBQ rub...

 Witzkatz wrote:
As a foreigner, when I was in Milwaukee for a year, I noticed something that an Irish comedian once pointed out whose name I forgot...while the US has this high overweight and obesity rate, it also seemed to have a lot of fitness nuts. At least that was my impression, more of both extremes. Germany is another country with a rising obesity problem, so I'm not trying to say we're better or anything, it was just an observation that, where more people in GER seem to gravitate around "kinda average/normal" to me, the US had more super fat people and more super fit people.

This is very true. You see it when you go to the park. It feels like Kronk is the only "normal" person there!

 kronk wrote:

 Soladrin wrote:

 Random Dude wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Random Dude wrote:
Also, people never follow serving size suggestions. Do you know anyone who eats just 1/2 cup of ice cream at a time?

Or how "small" a 6 oz. steak or piece of chicken/ pork, etc. is?

You can feel free to eat over a 6 oz. chicken breast. Boneless, skinless, grilled- very healthy.

And tasteless.

Kronk's Breast Rub will knock you out. Mmm, Texas Sweet BBQ rub...

Chicken, the beige of meats.

 Witzkatz wrote:
As a foreigner, when I was in Milwaukee for a year, I noticed something that an Irish comedian once pointed out whose name I forgot...while the US has this high overweight and obesity rate, it also seemed to have a lot of fitness nuts. At least that was my impression, more of both extremes. Germany is another country with a rising obesity problem, so I'm not trying to say we're better or anything, it was just an observation that, where more people in GER seem to gravitate around "kinda average/normal" to me, the US had more super fat people and more super fit people. Can there be some kind of cultural thing behind this? You definitely have more college sports than us on one hand, and are the birth nation of modern fast food on the other hand...

The amount of unhealthy people has led to an interesting obsession with health products. Consumers spend millions each year on supplements that don't work. Scientifically losing weight is simple. Burn more calories than you put in. Of course this takes a lot of discipline.

 Witzkatz wrote:



I think it also doesn't help that there are, of course, people trying to make lots of money out of people trying to get in shape, and selling them crap or overpriced unhealthy excercises, too, which might make some people wary of the "health scene". As Random Dude pointed out, the internet is full of semi-useless health and fitness tips, too. Of course, with some effort, one can sift through the garbage and find the useless information, but that brings us back to the first point.

Isn't that the truth.

I've got a friend from college that is apparently starting something call "Thrive" that involves what basically looks like a nicotine patch that you wear.

Oi vey.

@easy - when we go out to eat, its typically because we want something that is on the harder end for us to prepare at home. That or we just want to go on a date.

I honestly couldn't tell you the last time I had fast McDs though....

gunslingerpro wrote:I'd be interested to see where the data is from. If it uses BMI at all, toss it.

I know former college athletes and work out addicts who are considered overweight because of how flawed BMI is

I'm pretty sure that I'm technically overweight right now at 6' 198...let me check the scale. Yep. I am overweight still. That's hilarious.

hotsauceman1 wrote:

 daedalus wrote:
I'm one of those fat guys who isn't really a fat guy. I'm overweight, but carry it pretty well. People have been surprised when I told them what I weigh. Desk jobs and beer do terrible things to a person.

My problem with this particular doom and gloom is that I was "obese" by some metrics when I was literally wearing size 26 pants half hanging off my ass baggy and working out regularly. At the same time, I'm a long way from that now (a fact that bothers me) and working on it.

I suppose usually people think of the giant fatty that rides the rascal at walmart when they think of the obesity issue. There's a lot of those, but how many are there really? I guess I'm not saying it's not an issue. I just wonder if it's not overblown.
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Obeisity is poorly explained. Im considered obese at 309lb. But Im not overly big. Im just naturally a big guy. Obese is considered 20lb over the ideal, which is too low to begin with.

I've seen your picture. You are morbidly obese and in denial about your health and lifestyle. I think this is actually a fairly common problem. People are in denial and proclaiming themselves as naturally big instead of accepting the truth and seeking change.

cincydooley wrote:Cooking healthy at home doesn't have to be expensive. Tonight We made Rosemary Yukon gold potatoes (.69/lb), steamed green beans (1.19/lb) and tiger shrimp ($8.99/lb). For my wife an I it was less than $10 for the meal. Now, we did have the salt, pepper, dried rosemary, and cayenne pepper already, but that's a once a quarter purchase.

You can pay less for chicken breast if you get it bone in and filet it yourself. You can use chicken thighs for pretty much any recipe that involves cutting up chicken.

While eating at fast food is cheap, it's not necessarily that much cheaper than cooking at home using fresh ingredients.


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And for a direct burger comparison, one can make turkey burgers at home using ground turkey (4.99/lb) and fresh bakery buns for less than it would cost for four people to eat quarter pounders and mcheartattack

*All prices based on our trip to the market today.

In my experience only dollar menus are actually cheap and I can make the rest myself faster and it will be less expensive.

hotsauceman1 wrote:And not just the price, but TIME. If you are working 9-5 you wake up at 7 and make a quick breakfest, make lunch come home at 5 and are exhausted. Who wants to do alot of prep work when hungryman is there.

It takes me all of ten minutes to prep a meal. Fast food is rarely faster than that once you factor in drive time. Only thing faster is crap like Pop Tarts.

streamdragon wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
Seriously, people need to take some responsability for their own actions, its not rocket science to figure out how to eat healthy, people just have no willpower to forgo that bag of crisps for some veggies/fruit/healthy food instead.

Given the often conflicting nature of dietary advice being doled out to the general populace on a daily basis, I'd say your comments are more rooted in FYGM mind-set than actual reality.

Not to mention the wide variety of places where "veggies/fruit/healthy food" are literally not options.

Comparing maps of food deserts to obesity rates in the US is also enlightening. Simple version: areas with the most food deserts also tend to have the worst obesity rates.

I live in San Antonio and the obesity is not limited to food deserts. Not by a long shot.


People don't know how to eat, are addicted to simple sugars (this is actually a real addiction), in denial, or have just given up hope on ever losing the weight. Then there are those who think they're doing something healthy by crash dieting and doing excessive cardio when in fact they are sabotaging their own efforts. It's a really sad situation all around.

I want to know more about Kronk's breast rub.

 cincydooley wrote:

@easy - when we go out to eat, its typically because we want something that is on the harder end for us to prepare at home. That or we just want to go on a date.

I honestly couldn't tell you the last time I had fast McDs though....

oh yeah, dont get me wrong, sometiems I just want to relax and take the mrs out for a nice steak or something, but generally resteraunt food is a special thing, and its hard to get me into something that doesnt serve a healthy entree. steak with mixed veg and a potatoe or something isnt that bad.

I feel like there is a fairly large class of people who eat out as a rule though, or who choose "ready made" type foods like hungry man or potatoe chips over say, microwaving an egg, despite the egg being helathier, cheaper, and only a few minutes more effort, they choose the unhealthy thing every single time.

 trexmeyer wrote:

hotsauceman1 wrote:

 daedalus wrote:
I'm one of those fat guys who isn't really a fat guy. I'm overweight, but carry it pretty well. People have been surprised when I told them what I weigh. Desk jobs and beer do terrible things to a person.

My problem with this particular doom and gloom is that I was "obese" by some metrics when I was literally wearing size 26 pants half hanging off my ass baggy and working out regularly. At the same time, I'm a long way from that now (a fact that bothers me) and working on it.

I suppose usually people think of the giant fatty that rides the rascal at walmart when they think of the obesity issue. There's a lot of those, but how many are there really? I guess I'm not saying it's not an issue. I just wonder if it's not overblown.
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Obeisity is poorly explained. Im considered obese at 309lb. But Im not overly big. Im just naturally a big guy. Obese is considered 20lb over the ideal, which is too low to begin with.

I've seen your picture. You are morbidly obese and in denial about your health and lifestyle. I think this is actually a fairly common problem. People are in denial and proclaiming themselves as naturally big instead of accepting the truth and seeking change.

Yeah... I wanted to point that out earlier, but felt it was already too buried. There's hardly any situation where 300lbs could be anywhere near normal/healthy. It's a mindset that encourages enabling of oneself.
My father (and mother, although she also lost a lot of weight, it was a bit before my father) used to be quite a hefty man, just under 300lbs himself. It wasn't until we went on a vacation to London and Paris that he saw the people around him and realized just how out of place and generally unhealthy he was. He ended up joining my mother on Weight Watchers (for those who are interested in losing weight, this is actually a really, really good program, since it's meant to be a long-term system that really just encourages meal planning and monitoring), and lost over 110lbs after that.

A lot of people won't realize just how bad they are until they see or experience something that really shocks their system. Sadly, for a lot of people, it might already be too late, or they'll lack the education or encouragement.

People don't know how to eat, are addicted to simple sugars (this is actually a real addiction), in denial, or have just given up hope on ever losing the weight. Then there are those who think they're doing something healthy by crash dieting and doing excessive cardio when in fact they are sabotaging their own efforts. It's a really sad situation all around.

One general rule for 'diets' is to ask yourself if you can keep it up for the rest of your life. If the answer is "no," it's probably not good for you. People need to stop viewing diets as a quick way to lose weight, but rather as a full on lifestyle change.

The absolute biggest problem with diets now is that we've had an entire generation or two raised eating garbage and it's only going to get worse.

Eating healthy/to lose weight is extremely simple. Eat at a caloric deficit. Eat sufficient protein for your weight, that will probably be roughly 150g for most males, eat plenty of fats (at least 50g imo, I eat closer to 100g per day), fill the rest with carbs that are low in sugar. It's not as if you need to eat nothing but vegetables and chicken breasts to lose weight or be healthy. That food tastes terrible and it isn't going to speed up weight loss it will just lead to a week or two crash diet followed by a relapse.

There is actually a professor at the university here in Lübeck, GER, where I study, that has a small but famous research group going. They're researching what he's calling "the selfish brain". I think it might be highly relevant for this topic.

The general gist, as far as I'm able to explain it...it's been a while...your body and your brain both get a share of the food you eat for sustenance. Under regular circumstances, there is a certain equilibrium between supply, demand and how the food is distributed. Now, what Mr. Achim Peters is postulating is that certain factors - and stress being one of the big ones - can upset this equilibrium, causing the brain to demand more nutrients. This alone wouldn't be a problem, but...

Theory time!

Let's say you eat 2 bagels. Brain gets one, body gets one. 50/50 share (or some other value, but there is a ratio on how food is distributed here, that's important for this theory). Now, consider a situation where the brain is stressed out and wants more energy. It actually wants the energy of 2 bagels! So, now you eat 3 bagels, in this new situation. The 50/50 share is still going on though, so the brain only gets 1,5 bagels - and the body has now 0,5 bagels that it kinda doesn't need, because it isn't working harder. The brain is still hungry, so you eat your fourth bagel. Now the brain has its 2 bagels, but your body ended up with a full bagel it didn't need in the first place, so naturally it goes ahead and stores the bagel as fat for a cold winter or something.

I might've butchered this one a bit, but I think that's the basic theory and how he explained it in a lecture once. A chronically stressful lifestyle can lead to dysbalances in how much energy the brain demands (by feeling hungry all the time, craving sweets, thinking that one more Snickers won't really hurt your diet, etc.) to be content in a situation, which ALSO leads to your body getting more calories than needed.

The interesting thing about this concept is that it kinda goes against the basic "If you don't eat more calories than you burn, you won't get fat". Because there is resource competition between organs inside the body - of course, you could still eat less, but in that situation your brain would REALLY go up the walls and demand more food - which is probably why people with stressful lives tend to eat more, causing them to get obese.

Logging out for today, getting late in Germany - but nice discussion going on here.

 trexmeyer wrote:
The absolute biggest problem with diets now is that we've had an entire generation or two raised eating garbage and it's only going to get worse.

Eating healthy/to lose weight is extremely simple. Eat at a caloric deficit. Eat sufficient protein for your weight, that will probably be roughly 150g for most males, eat plenty of fats (at least 50g imo, I eat closer to 100g per day), fill the rest with carbs that are low in sugar. It's not as if you need to eat nothing but vegetables and chicken breasts to lose weight or be healthy. That food tastes terrible and it isn't going to speed up weight loss it will just lead to a week or two crash diet followed by a relapse.

How do you prepare a chicken breast? There are healthy ways to prepare them that taste great. Plenty of fruits and vegetables also taste good.

Why eat dry chicken breasts when you can eat juicy delicious chicken thighs? You need the healthy fats anyways. I've done the chicken breast/broccoli diet before and wouldn't recommend it again. The food is bland to begin with and then you spend excess time flavoring it just to make it edible.

Edit: I never eat fruit. I eat around four servings (360 grams) of peas everyday and that is my only source of green vegetables. I've learned they just aren't that necessary, but they do help a lot if you have hunger problems while losing weight.

 Random Dude wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:
The absolute biggest problem with diets now is that we've had an entire generation or two raised eating garbage and it's only going to get worse.

Eating healthy/to lose weight is extremely simple. Eat at a caloric deficit. Eat sufficient protein for your weight, that will probably be roughly 150g for most males, eat plenty of fats (at least 50g imo, I eat closer to 100g per day), fill the rest with carbs that are low in sugar. It's not as if you need to eat nothing but vegetables and chicken breasts to lose weight or be healthy. That food tastes terrible and it isn't going to speed up weight loss it will just lead to a week or two crash diet followed by a relapse.

How do you prepare a chicken breast? There are healthy ways to prepare them that taste great. Plenty of fruits and vegetables also taste good.

yeah I have to call BS on the whole "chicken and veggies taste gross" attitude...

fast food is whats gross, but people who eat it all the time get used to it and its "good tasting", making "bland" (read NORMAL) foods like veggies and meats taste bad by comparison.

chicken is delicious... some simple seasoning or marinate makes it mouthwatreringly good... vegetables and fruit also taste great if you are not used to having crazy amounts of salt/fat/sugar on your food in order to make it "taste good" (read, taste awful to anyone whos tastebuds are not being overloaded by all the garbage food)

simmple things like putting cheeze on broccoli make it taste awesome, you can even spice or marinate veggies too...

fruit is basically natures candy, if you cannot find a fruit that tastes great to you on its own, there is something wrong with you (likely a lifetime of junk food destroying your tastebuds)

Chicken breasts, broccoli, green beans, etc are bland. Why would you eat that to be healthy when there are other tastier options?