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 trexmeyer wrote:
Chicken breasts, broccoli, green beans, etc are bland. Why would you eat that to be healthy when there are other tastier options?

no they really are not... you either do not know how to cook, or have exaggerated expectations, or have destroyed your tastebuds (barring legit medical reason for not likeing the taste of normal food)


beef, pork, poultry, veggies, fruits, grains, it all tastes good, slap some cheese, butter, or seasoning on it and its awesome...

sure it doesnt taste as good as candy (pure sugar) but its not supposed to, if your expectations are such that it must taste as good as candy/potatoechips/junk food in order to be "palpable" then that is something wrong with you, not the food.

 easysauce wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:
Chicken breasts, broccoli, green beans, etc are bland. Why would you eat that to be healthy when there are other tastier options?

no they really are not... you either do not know how to cook, or have exaggerated expectations, or have destroyed your tastebuds (barring legit medical reason for not likeing the taste of normal food)


beef, pork, poultry, veggies, fruits, grains, it all tastes good, slap some cheese, butter, or seasoning on it and its awesome...

sure it doesnt taste as good as candy (pure sugar) but its not supposed to, if your expectations are such that it must taste as good as candy/potatoechips/junk food in order to be "palpable" then that is something wrong with you, not the food.

People are so used to eating candy and processed food they have to pour sugar on their fruit and salt on their corn.

 Ahtman wrote:
I want to know more about Kronk's breast rub.

I picture it something like this:

 easysauce wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:
Chicken breasts, broccoli, green beans, etc are bland. Why would you eat that to be healthy when there are other tastier options?

no they really are not... you either do not know how to cook, or have exaggerated expectations, or have destroyed your tastebuds (barring legit medical reason for not likeing the taste of normal food)


beef, pork, poultry, veggies, fruits, grains, it all tastes good, slap some cheese, butter, or seasoning on it and its awesome...

sure it doesnt taste as good as candy (pure sugar) but its not supposed to, if your expectations are such that it must taste as good as candy/potatoechips/junk food in order to be "palpable" then that is something wrong with you, not the food.

I haven't eaten candy or chips in probably over a decade. Stop projecting simply because I disagree with you. Would you like a list of my daily diet to see if it conforms your exacting standards?

 easysauce wrote:

sure it doesnt taste as good as candy (pure sugar) but its not supposed to, if your expectations are such that it must taste as good as candy/potatoechips/junk food in order to be "palpable" then that is something wrong with you, not the food.

Actually, I prefer a good chicken recipe over candy most of the time...

Also, if you get used to cooking good food for yourself, and cooking it well, a lot of fast food ends up becoming really, really bland by comparison.

 Random Dude wrote:

People are so used to eating candy and processed food they have to pour sugar on their fruit and salt on their corn.

I've never been able to understand this. It just ends up utterly killing any of the real flavour in the food. Same thing with ketchup in most cases. I hate seeing an otherwise decent dish just bathed in ketchup.

I lived in Iowa in the states for most of a year working on a farm and didn't meet that many fat folk.

Then just before I left i did a brief tour Las Vegas and New York and boy did I meet some large folk who liked their food.

Im a farmer so I'm not going to knock people eating but I know there is food and then there is food. Animals grown on steroids, which are routinely used in the US in beef production can't be good guys there are reasons why it's banned in Europe. Chickens fed anti biotics in their feed also perhaps not so clever, leads to a fast growing weight gaining monster of a bird. The expression you are what you eat has some validity to it.

If you abandon these practices food becomes more expensive but better for the consumer which is what food production should be about!

Well, part of the worst practices in food production in the Americas (and the rest of the world, although the Americas are probably the most egregious example) is due to the fast food industry being, to a massive degree, the largest and most important buyer of food products. So of course the entire industry is going to cater to favour them.

 trexmeyer wrote:


I haven't eaten candy or chips in probably over a decade. Stop projecting simply because I disagree with you. Would you like a list of my daily diet to see if it conforms your exacting standards?

Just out of curiosity but yes please

In fact, could be some homework for us Dakkanauts. Food diary of the next week then post it here. Would be interesting to see if there are any trends between countries/states/whatever, I think.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:


I haven't eaten candy or chips in probably over a decade. Stop projecting simply because I disagree with you. Would you like a list of my daily diet to see if it conforms your exacting standards?

Just out of curiosity but yes please

In fact, could be some homework for us Dakkanauts. Food diary of the next week then post it here. Would be interesting to see if there are any trends between countries/states/whatever, I think.

Yesterday

2221 calories, 183 protein, 107 carbs, 117 fat

Meal 1:

8 oz 93% lean ground beef patty on an onion bun toasted in coconut oil with a 1 whole egg and a dash of sour cream

Meal 2 (well I basically snacked on this over 3 hours actually after I made it):

8 oz 93% lean ground beef with 4 egg whites and 2 whole eggs scrambled and mixed in along with 56g of a habanero cheese blend
I ate some of it on another onion bun

3 servings of green beans (I think it was about 280 grams)

Put 3 tablespoons of spicy ranch on everything for meal 2

easysauce wrote:
if people cannot figure out that eating carrots/veggies/fruit is healthy, and that potatoe chips, burgers, junk food, and 99% of stuff they serve "at places where they dont have fruits/veggies" will make them fat, then that is on THEM
None of the places you mention are the ONLY spots available, anyone with a lick of common sense knows that every single super market has veggies and fruits that you can buy instead of big macs or whatever other junk food is around. There are also wonderfull technologies like canning and refrigeration that bring healthy food to the most remote places on earth.

I am going to assume you didn't bother to actually read those links, since if you had bothered to you would know that what is underlined is basically the point. A food desert is a place where those things essentially do NOT exist. Whether because there is literally no grocery store, or because they are simply inaccessible to most of the population (due to distance and/or lack of public transportation). These people are basically forced to do their "grocery" shopping at the equivalent of a 7-11/Highs/Piggly Wiggly/Sheetz/Royal Farms/Wawa/Kwik-E-Mart.

Which brings me back to the "FYGM" mentality I mentioned that you took extreme exception to. Too often people, as demonstrated in this very thread, fall into the "I can do all these things, so you should be able to" camp, when that ignores a ludicrous amount of factors in other people's lives that the poster may be unaware of. It ignores various truths (such as the existence of food deserts you so aptly demonstrated), by refusing to see through anything but one's own perspective. It is almost the literal definition of "hand waving".

I am glad for you, honestly with no snark intended, that you are able to do what you do. Eating healthy is an important thing. It's part of why I grow much of my own produce and trade with my neighbors for things I don't grow/raise myself, like eggs. But I don't pretend that everyone has my capacity for getting up at 0430 so they can farm before commuting/working/commuting for 12 hours, then farming some more. As easy as it is to vilify people for their bad habits, it is far more effective to combat those habits by understanding where they're coming from instead of simply "lol drop their insurance, fatty will run it off".

cincydooley wrote:
And this is becoming a harder pill to swallow every day. Google and the rapid ability to get information today via the internet has made getting this information so laughably easy.

Couple that with the multitude of apps running around, and the tools are pretty readily available for anyone that really wants to.

But it's hard. And it takes follow thru. IMO, its actually much harder to maintain a "new" healthy lifestyle about 4 months in when you start to see less noticeable progress.

I will agree with you that a strong educational base is the best way to combat obesity. Many future obese people grow up as obese children in households of obese people. It's almost literally all they've ever known, and becomes the "norm" for them. That is exceptionally hard to break, even with all the information available on the internet. I'd also point out that as much as you or I take it for granted, there are plenty of people with no regular internet access.

There is a ton of information out there, much of it wrong, much of it conflicting. Simple example: EGGS. Eggs have gone from healthy, to "don't eat!", to "eat just the whites!", back to "healthy!" in just the last few years. Margarine, so long a staple as a butter replacement is (rightly, imo) gone back into the "frell that, get the good stuff!" category. For literal decades we were told to get 6-11 servings of bread a day, which is now considered "a bad idea" by most nutritionists. Going on a diet? Rice cakes used to be the most recommended diet food because they were low fat and low calorie (and low taste...). Now? People are realizing all that came with the price of also being "not filling", while eggs (back to healthy again!) now are recommended because they're low calorie, high fat (which keeps you from being hungry, and thus reducing the desire to eat in the first place).

So while yes, for those that have access to it, there is a plethora of information out there. You could almost call that symptomatic of the problem though.

Almost.

trexmeyer wrote:
I live in San Antonio and the obesity is not limited to food deserts. Not by a long shot.

It's a good thing I have never suggested it was then! My point was simply to show that "just eat healthy stuff!" doesn't really work when you have populations with almost 0 actual access to "healthy stuff", because their only accessible "grocery" isn't actually a grocery store. I work in DC. The district itself is sort of sparse for grocery stores, but there are plenty of regular farmer's markets and the like (that accept WIC and SNAP/EBT, thankfully); there are also a LOT of obese people from every part of life.


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Knockagh wrote:
Im a farmer so I'm not going to knock people eating but I know there is food and then there is food. Animals grown on steroids, which are routinely used in the US in beef production can't be good guys there are reasons why it's banned in Europe. Chickens fed anti biotics in their feed also perhaps not so clever, leads to a fast growing weight gaining monster of a bird. The expression you are what you eat has some validity to it.

If you abandon these practices food becomes more expensive but better for the consumer which is what food production should be about!

Cite please. Many studies have been done regarding organic vs not, and not a one has made a solid case for organic being noticeably healthier in any regard.

Solution to these food deserts sounds to be some kind of bonus to a supermarket which opens there, maybe a tax cut or some such.

Alternatively a government (be it federal, state, local, whatever) service which will deliver certain foods (fruit, vegetables, some leaner meats) to these places.

Probably infeasible in practice, just what came to mind.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Solution to these food deserts sounds to be some kind of bonus to a supermarket which opens there, maybe a tax cut or some such.

Alternatively a government (be it federal, state, local, whatever) service which will deliver certain foods (fruit, vegetables, some leaner meats) to these places.

Probably infeasible in practice, just what came to mind.

Actually, you pretty much hit the nail on the head in current solutions. Certain places give incentives to open grocery stores in lacking (usually poor) areas, others (like New York City) have sponsored urban gardening centers to raise produce within the city itself. It's slowly taking root (*badum tss!*), but there's a long way to go for many areas.

I suspect that the weight gain may be a sort of evolution in motion. Because people around them are big it triggers a growth gene. Like dinosaurs the best way not to be eaten is to be the biggest in the pack, so when you have the average population packed with overweight people the body defense is to make itself bigger so that you can be the dominant dinosaur

It the most obvious answer that jumps out at me when I look around the gaming store as gamers are in a constant body mass arms race to avoid being eaten by the bigger gamers that plod through the store. Like the elephant seal body mass accumulation is the best way to establish that they are the dominant beachmaster of the hobbystore. The bellows and stat citing are their verbal declarations of territory.




On a more serious note a lot of it really has to do with the amount of sugar packed into all the processed foods and lack of exercise in our daily routines. Most people get little to no exercise, when I spent a summer in Europe I dropped so much weight simply from walking everywhere combined with the change in food type. At the time I was in exceedingly good shape (170 lbs) and still dropped almost 15 pounds in less then a six week period due mostly to the change in activity levels.

Currently I'm overweight (5'10 and 220lbs) in my mid 30's I'd completely eliminated exercise from my daily routine, during which time my weight got up to about 265 at it's high point. I started walking every other day for about 40 minutes (about 3 miles distance) and have been dropping 8-10 lbs a month while my diet is largely unchanged, I've reduced the quantities a bit but still eat crappy foods. Had I opted to eat more healthy I'm sure the weight would be coming off even faster.

Everyone I know is in the 35-40 age range where their metabolism drops like a rock and their weight explodes. I know so many people that complain about where their weight levels are at but they don't do the first thing about adjusting their activity levels which is the easiest way to combat weight gain. Eating patterns are much harder to adjust at that point as they are typically built up over a lifetime and while certainly possible it can be tough to change. Taking up walking or light work outs at the gym are typically a far easier change to a routine but even then most people still won't do it.

Some public schools are under pressure to cut costs and have considered removing or have eliminated PE programs, the kids get no exercise at home and when it's cut from school as well is anyone surprised that there's issues with children being overweight? We have pushed our food and caloric intake up very high and then eliminated almost all forms of exercise which helps burn off those excess calories.

I used to walk or ride my bike to and from school in addition to being on track and swimming, as a result I was one of the thinnest kids in my class, only later when I slowed down all my activity (to the point of none) did I start to put on a large amount of weight.

Food diet:

Breakfast:

Half a cup of fresh steel cut oats cooked with apple cider vinegar, cinnamon, and a bit of brown sugar. Banana.

Lunch:

Brown rice w/ grilled chicken and a homemade green tomatillo sauce.

Dinner:

8oz chicken breast w/ peas and quinoa.

Mid afternoon snack:
1 serving of unsalted almonds.

As of right now I'm probably at around 96oz of water.


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 streamdragon wrote:

Actually, you pretty much hit the nail on the head in current solutions. Certain places give incentives to open grocery stores in lacking (usually poor) areas, others (like New York City) have sponsored urban gardening centers to raise produce within the city itself. It's slowly taking root (*badum tss!*), but there's a long way to go for many areas.

It's actually one of the few truly positives that hipster gentrification has yielded. Mostly.

You have 2 full warm meals? Your lunch is my dinner, and I only eat breakfast and dinner.

Damn Cincey, that's like nothing.

Hah, I often skip breakfast and only eat dinner.

Still recently started gaining weight though.

I am so glad I don't have a messed up metabolism.

 trexmeyer wrote:
Damn Cincey, that's like nothing.

Deficit week. I'm only doing about 1200 calories a day this week. Do it one week a month. I'll have another banana and some granola before i go back to the gym tonight, too.

I actually love chicken breast too ;-)

Plus I've gotta cut some of the carbs this week to accommodate the wife, who just barely failed her gestational glucose test.


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 Soladrin wrote:
Hah, I often skip breakfast and only eat dinner.

Still recently started gaining weight though.

That blows my mind. If I don't eat breakfast my day sucks. Haha.

 cincydooley wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:
Damn Cincey, that's like nothing.

Deficit week. I'm only doing about 1200 calories a day this week. Do it one week a month. I'll have another banana and some granola before i go back to the gym tonight, too.

I actually love chicken breast too ;-)

Plus I've gotta cut some of the carbs this week to accommodate the wife, who just barely failed her gestational glucose test.


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 Soladrin wrote:
Hah, I often skip breakfast and only eat dinner.

Still recently started gaining weight though.

That blows my mind. If I don't eat breakfast my day sucks. Haha.

Time to blow it even more.

I spend a minimum of 20 hours a week working in a 2 degree Celsius cooling cell.

Coffee
Coffee
Coffee
Coffee
Coffee
Dinner
Coffee
Coffee

Huh. I never eat breakfast either; I don't usually eat until I've been up for about 3 or 4 hours.

This is the basically the same people saying the same thing as the last time we had a thread about weight/obesity. I suppose it is consist if nothing.

 Ahtman wrote:
I suppose it is consist if nothing.

You on that doge speak time?

 trexmeyer wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
I suppose it is consist if nothing.

You on that doge speak time?

No, I'm on that "no professional editor to proof read every post ever made at all times so occasionally an error gets through" time.

 Ahtman wrote:
I want to know more about Kronk's breast rub.

It starts with salt and pepper.

It ends in tears, disappointment, and blaming...

 trexmeyer wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:


I haven't eaten candy or chips in probably over a decade. Stop projecting simply because I disagree with you. Would you like a list of my daily diet to see if it conforms your exacting standards?

Just out of curiosity but yes please

In fact, could be some homework for us Dakkanauts. Food diary of the next week then post it here. Would be interesting to see if there are any trends between countries/states/whatever, I think.

Yesterday

2221 calories, 183 protein, 107 carbs, 117 fat

Meal 1:

8 oz 93% lean ground beef patty on an onion bun toasted in coconut oil with a 1 whole egg and a dash of sour cream

Meal 2 (well I basically snacked on this over 3 hours actually after I made it):

8 oz 93% lean ground beef with 4 egg whites and 2 whole eggs scrambled and mixed in along with 56g of a habanero cheese blend
I ate some of it on another onion bun

3 servings of green beans (I think it was about 280 grams)

Put 3 tablespoons of spicy ranch on everything for meal 2

Just for humor, I'll be super critical! Your calorie count is good but you should have 40% Protein 40% Carbs and 20% fat. (Disclaimer- I don't really care what you eat)

lmao@40/40/20

I'd rather have energy and my caloric intake is absolutely meaningless unless you know my age, height, weight, and activity level.

 kronk wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
I want to know more about Kronk's breast rub.

It starts with salt and pepper.

It ends in tears, disappointment, and blaming...

Wow, never heard of exfoliating having that effect...

 trexmeyer wrote:
lmao@40/40/20

I'd rather have energy and my caloric intake is absolutely meaningless unless you know my age, height, weight, and activity level.

True. You know I wasn't being serious?