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 chiefbigredman wrote:
Yet another 40k release...I'm happy that all these armies are getting new stuff as I play 40k but fantasy just hasn't been getting any attention. Brettonians in late June...moved to early July...moved to middle august...moved to...never? Haha

Would be cool to have a grey knights and demons box set tho, just hope its not as limited as storm claw

With every month they Grey Knights of Fantasy get pushed back, the less worried I feel about having sold my army. I kept my metal characters and BSB because they are rare(ish) and awesome models, but the treatment the Brets are getting is making me sad. Then again, if GW pulls 9E out and it's amazing, I'll gladly reward them by buying Perry Minis for a new army!

I'd be psyked for the chance of new Inquisition rules and models (plastic Inquisitor and henchmen set, please?) but I know in my heart GW will cut out the Inquisition this time so they can sell the online mini dex and a new Assassins Codex.

It took them 10 years but yeah, I've abandoned all hope of being happy with a GW product.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I'd be psyked for the chance of new Inquisition rules and models (plastic Inquisitor and henchmen set, please?) but I know in my heart GW will cut out the Inquisition this time so they can sell the online mini dex and a new Assassins Codex.

It took them 10 years but yeah, I've abandoned all hope of being happy with a GW product.

I feel like Inquisition models have always been the "you kitbash to make your own themed force of irregulars" style army. I had a good one growing, but it, too, gave up the ghost recently. I kept my custom Death Cult Assassins because I feel like I can still do something with them. Try making your own and enjoy it, I'd say.

 TheKbob wrote:


Really? When did they advance the story line and have a character "Go Epic?" This would be great news. Or do you mean shoe horning in some character "in the past". The Blood Angels captain comes to mind, but I wouldn't call that planned out intelligently.

Perception is reality. Even if they did it long ago, its the MO of Privateer Press now and nothing but the grognards and long beards will care to correct. PP has been putting out large base Casters for a bit now. If GW starts, it looks like copying to the lay crowd.

It's been a while since they did it but I can think of a few. Ghazgull started out as a normal Ork Warboss (Andy Chamber's IIRC) became a special character, then doubled in size for 3rd edition.

Captain Tyco also went from generic to special to being a Death Company Dread.

I kind of wish GW would do more of it.


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 TheKbob wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I'd be psyked for the chance of new Inquisition rules and models (plastic Inquisitor and henchmen set, please?) but I know in my heart GW will cut out the Inquisition this time so they can sell the online mini dex and a new Assassins Codex.

It took them 10 years but yeah, I've abandoned all hope of being happy with a GW product.

I feel like Inquisition models have always been the "you kitbash to make your own themed force of irregulars" style army. I had a good one growing, but it, too, gave up the ghost recently. I kept my custom Death Cult Assassins because I feel like I can still do something with them. Try making your own and enjoy it, I'd say.

Sir I have a few thousand points of =I= all converted and kit bashed, but I'd love more fodder to work with.

I'd be surprised if they did anything other than mono pose clamshell for the Inquisitors.

Looky Likey wrote:
I'd be surprised if they did anything other than mono pose clamshell for the Inquisitors.

You speak the truth I fear...

A single inquisitor model would surprise me.. More likely it's cheaper just to create some kind of custom tokens or a limited edition book

Off the top of my head characters that have "advanced"

-Pedro Kantor
-Lysander
-Tycho
-Ghaz

Not sure if any of the IG ones that are now gone did. No aliens other than Orks did as far as I know. Chaos has always had the same big bads.

major codexes have not seen an update without new kits, ever.

GW is a model company, the rules are the second thought based on the models. They wont even look at updating a codex without brainstorming new models to make for it first, then make rules for them.

I expect GK will not be released next.

I also expect when GK become released all selections in their codex that do not have official models will be axed.

I Further expect Gk will receive two new vehicle kits. One will be a flyer that will take the fast attack slot, one will be an artillery type piece that can shunt once per game and be taken in units of 1-3. Despite being artillery it will mount Salvo like fire options so it can move and fire, or remain stationary and fire more.

I expect 1-2 characters will be axed and a new one will be put in.

I also have it on good information from the psychic friends network that Grey Knights will recieve the return of imperial jetbikes for their Fast Attack slot. There will be no option for characters to purchase one however.

Draigo will be made a LoW

 Hulksmash wrote:
Off the top of my head characters that have "advanced"

-Pedro Kantor
-Lysander
-Tycho
-Ghaz

Not sure if any of the IG ones that are now gone did. No aliens other than Orks did as far as I know. Chaos has always had the same big bads.

No other Ork has survived long enough to warrant advancement. Eldrad did have advancement (death) but was retconned, all the rest have been around for ages or just repeat over and over (Pheonix Lords, Avatar, Vect, most DE characters). All the IG guys would be dead or not-yet-born for most of the setting. Nids have no personality. Necrons have only just came into their own, so have Tau.

Space Marines could have advanced but between the last codex and the current one nothing much has changed. All of the characters are Chapter Masters, Captains, Head Chaplains or Chief Librarians. The ones who aren't (Vulkan, Chronos and Telion) will hold their role until death. Telion being the exception as he could be promoted to 10th Company Captain but then his role would change.

SW may change, Lukas won't. Njal is already "Chief Librarian." Ulrik is head of the Wolf Priests. Logan is Great Wolf. Ragner can't grow a beard and he can't progress in rank without killing off Logan. Bjorn...nuff said. Murderfang has just been added so...

BA
Seth is already Master. Dante is already Master and he won't learn anything new at this point after 1100+ years. Sanguinor is an eternal spirit. Mephiston has potential to advance. As does Lemartes.

BT
Helbretch is High Marshal. The only thing to do is kill Imotehk, which won't happen. Grimaldus is High Chaplain. Emperor's Champion changes all the time.

GK
Mordrak, Draigo and Thwn are all new characters with potential for advancement. Stern can advance. Crowe maybe not. Valeria can. Coteaz and Karamazov not so much.

DA
Azrael, Beliel, Sammael...all heads of Chapter and -Wing with not much potential for advancement.

Daemons
All eternal but with story advancement potential (feuds and rivalries with mortal groups)

CSM
Abaddon has advanced (Black Crusade objectives), Kharn is pretty repetitive. Ahriman won't find the Black Library. Typhus won't spread the plague everywhere. Fabius just roams as a Mercenary doctor. Lucius is repetitive. Huron already commands the second largest renegade faction.

SM
Lysander can become Chapter Master
Vulkan could find more relics.
Cassius could find a way to fight the Nids.
Tiguirius could get more power.
Sicarius could be promoted to 1st Captain with the death of Agemann(sp?). Or skip to CM if they killed off Calgar.

 Breotan wrote:
Grey Knights? Seriously? Where the hell are the damned Bretonnians? Son of a...

Maybe GW has changed from an alternating monthly release to an alternating editions release. All 40k 7th edition will arrive. 1 codex every month or so. Then next edition of fantasy will arrive, followed by an updated codex every month or so. Then after that... another new edition of 40k? Maybe after fantasy LoTR gets a little love?

I hope this rumor is not true as it would mean we would lose Mordrak. That would be a shame as his fluff and rules are among my favorite in the game. I would enjoy a new codex but if it means no new models I'd rather just wait

I wouldn't be surprised to see strikes lose deep strike and gain drop pods. It would move kits and make them better. That said they will get something new. Even if it's just a plastic tech marine with orbital relay or something. No way they don't get a few kits.

Here's my guess on what we will be seeing so far.

I see GKSS, Purifies, and Purgation squads costing 2 points less a model, just vanilla marines. Purifies may end up with even more of a points decrease considering that Cleansing Flame is now somewhat less reliable with the current psychic rules and the 2D6 limit.

Interceptors are hard to say, maybe as much as 4 points.

Termies will probably stay the same.

Paladins I have no idea,

Driago may get cheaper if his Titansword remains only AP3.

Sadly I'm confident Mordak and Thawn are gone unless they get a model for this release.

As for weapons:

Nemesis Swords will probably stay the same, though I would love it if they gave models with no ++ a 6++ now.

Hammers will stay the same.

Halberds will probably only give the Initiative boost on the charge only now. If they don't I expect a points increase.

Falchions with stay the same.

I play GK, but they don't need an update the way BA and DE do -- and a no model release seems super weird.

Nevertheless, it makes sense based on the rumors of new demon sets and campaign boxes to bridge releases. Could easily see a big demon release, maybe a supplement and then GK.

It's disappointing to see an army get updated that doesn't really need it, but it is what it is.

 Auswin wrote:
I play GK, but they don't need an update the way BA and DE do -- and a no model release seems super weird.

Nevertheless, it makes sense based on the rumors of new demon sets and campaign boxes to bridge releases. Could easily see a big demon release, maybe a supplement and then GK.

It's disappointing to see an army get updated that doesn't really need it, but it is what it is.

Weren't GK a VERY popular release when they came out? In my local GW at least (former LA Battle Bunker) its seemed as though everyone bought at least a couple of them just to test out...

Near 100% sure drago will be a low. And about 50% sure they will remove inquisitor stuff

I dont actually see how this rumor could be true. After the ork codex it would make sense to update codices in order of oldest first. After space wolves, blood angels and dark eldar are the next oldest dexs, with grey knights being released over 6 months after DE, followed by necrons. Skipping 2 very popular books with loyal fanbases to update a codex that doesnt need it seems rediculous.

 th3maninblak wrote:
I dont actually see how this rumor could be true. After the ork codex it would make sense to update codices in order of oldest first. After space wolves, blood angels and dark eldar are the next oldest dexs, with grey knights being released over 6 months after DE, followed by necrons. Skipping 2 very popular books with loyal fanbases to update a codex that doesnt need it seems rediculous.

Who cares about the fan base. GW releases things you will buy because they say so.

The codexes haven't been in order and nothing shows that it will be in order.

I would say BA need the update more than GK, but it is hard to say DE need the update more than GK. DE are decent as are GK. But I will say GK have a lot of funky inconsistent point costs.

5 pts for a LRC psybolt but 20 pts for a Storm Raven psybolt. 25 pts for PsyCann for termies, 10 for GKSS, 20 for paladins, 10 for purifiers when the incinerator is 20 for GKSS but free for them.

There are just a lot of inconsistencies. Also GK GM are just not as potent as the SM GM as well as the orbital bombardment which is just 50 points of garbage for the GK. Also I can see the DK getting a point decrease or a wound increase to bring him more in line with other MC.

I think the psybolt ammo and special weapons costs were more in line with "how many can a unit field" and the potential impact of said unit on the battlefield. Although it is finnicky to have to go back to the book more often, I thought the approach worked. The dreadnought with psybolt and 2 twin-linked Autocannons, though... pure gold.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I think the psybolt ammo and special weapons costs were more in line with "how many can a unit field" and the potential impact of said unit on the battlefield. Although it is finnicky to have to go back to the book more often, I thought the approach worked. The dreadnought with psybolt and 2 twin-linked Autocannons, though... pure gold.

You say that but I just don't see that sort of logic put into this codex.

A 10 man GKSS can have two incinerators at +40 or 10 man GK purifiers squad can have 4 at +0.

But psycannons cost the same when one can have two and the other can have four...?

Then paladins can have more of anything, and all of their weapons are just cheaper then all of the terminators minus incinerators.

Speaking of incinerators. Why are termie incins 5 pts when a GKSS is 20? THey both get 1 per 5 and both are troops. A PA GKSS guy with incin is 40 pts. A TA GK Termie guy with incin is 45 pts.....

 exploited751 wrote:


5 pts for a LRC psybolt but 20 pts for a Storm Raven psybolt. 25 pts for PsyCann for termies, 10 for GKSS, 20 for paladins, 10 for purifiers when the incinerator is 20 for GKSS but free for them. 

In 5th Ed, when GK was written, Psybolt was a bad thing on LRC because it made their sponson Hurricane Bolters a non-Defensive weapon. Normally it could be armed with a Stormbolter and Multimelta, and move 6" a turn and fire all its weaponry. With Psybolt it could only move 6" and fire any 1 weapon. Stormravens could be armed with Heavy Bolters, Assault Cannon and Hurricane bolters, and being a Fast vehicle with PoTMS, move 6" and fire everything. Or move 12" and fire 2 weapons.

The points are also consistant with fluff.
For example, for SS, objective holders and line troops, the versatile Psycannon was most expensive, being that it could fire on the move (when you moved towards an objective) or stay still and become more effective (when camping). Whereas Psilincer could only stay still but was better for objective camping, and Incinerator was short ranged (and Overwatch was no yet a thing).
Purifiers are elite guys and very Flamer orientated so get Incinerators for free, and the Psiliencers are highly anti-Daemon (Purifier's MO above all others). Psycannons again most expensive but eliteness makes them cheaper.
Interceptors get Psiliencers for free because it was not able to be used in conjunction with their benefit over Strike Squads; mobility. Psycannons lay in the mid ground of being usable on the move but most useful stationary. And Incinerators were "the best" for them because they suffered no penalty for moving.

Terminators get Incinerators cheapest, below Psiliencers, because Psilincers on a Terminator are relentless. Psycannons also benefit but are vastly more powerful.
Paladins are more elite and so are entrusted with more heavy weapons (so can take twice as many) and their hefty points cost and eliteness gives them a discount of 5 points.
GK Captains have a higher BS so take the Psilincer and Psycannon at even higher points that a Termy or Paladin, but the Incinerator is only 5pts or so because it isn't effected by the BS5.
GKGM has BS6 and so pays an additional 5 points more that the Captain for Psilincers and Psycannons (as much as a Rhino and Razorback respectively!) But the Incinerator stays the same.
Purgators gain benefits from all 3 weapons as the Devastator Squad and so is priced in order of fluff. Incinerator is short ranged when they perform fire support. Psilincer is static when they need to advance. Psycannon gives the best of both worlds.

I have a gut feeling Psycannons are gonna become Salvo weapons...

They basically are anyways. Still think this would be a bad business move, leaving a lot of potential buyers out in the cold.

That would be terrible

Finally, a Space Marine codex!

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
That would be terrible

Not if they increase the range back to 36" like in the old Daemonhunters codex.

maybe 9th Ed of Fantasy is coming that's why they are baking on WHFB releases ?

 Deadshot wrote:

 exploited751 wrote:


5 pts for a LRC psybolt but 20 pts for a Storm Raven psybolt. 25 pts for PsyCann for termies, 10 for GKSS, 20 for paladins, 10 for purifiers when the incinerator is 20 for GKSS but free for them. 

In 5th Ed, when GK was written, Psybolt was a bad thing on LRC because it made their sponson Hurricane Bolters a non-Defensive weapon. Normally it could be armed with a Stormbolter and Multimelta, and move 6" a turn and fire all its weaponry. With Psybolt it could only move 6" and fire any 1 weapon. Stormravens could be armed with Heavy Bolters, Assault Cannon and Hurricane bolters, and being a Fast vehicle with PoTMS, move 6" and fire everything. Or move 12" and fire 2 weapons.

The points are also consistant with fluff.
For example, for SS, objective holders and line troops, the versatile Psycannon was most expensive, being that it could fire on the move (when you moved towards an objective) or stay still and become more effective (when camping). Whereas Psilincer could only stay still but was better for objective camping, and Incinerator was short ranged (and Overwatch was no yet a thing).
Purifiers are elite guys and very Flamer orientated so get Incinerators for free, and the Psiliencers are highly anti-Daemon (Purifier's MO above all others). Psycannons again most expensive but eliteness makes them cheaper.
Interceptors get Psiliencers for free because it was not able to be used in conjunction with their benefit over Strike Squads; mobility. Psycannons lay in the mid ground of being usable on the move but most useful stationary. And Incinerators were "the best" for them because they suffered no penalty for moving.

Terminators get Incinerators cheapest, below Psiliencers, because Psilincers on a Terminator are relentless. Psycannons also benefit but are vastly more powerful.
Paladins are more elite and so are entrusted with more heavy weapons (so can take twice as many) and their hefty points cost and eliteness gives them a discount of 5 points.
GK Captains have a higher BS so take the Psilincer and Psycannon at even higher points that a Termy or Paladin, but the Incinerator is only 5pts or so because it isn't effected by the BS5.
GKGM has BS6 and so pays an additional 5 points more that the Captain for Psilincers and Psycannons (as much as a Rhino and Razorback respectively!) But the Incinerator stays the same.
Purgators gain benefits from all 3 weapons as the Devastator Squad and so is priced in order of fluff. Incinerator is short ranged when they perform fire support. Psilincer is static when they need to advance. Psycannon gives the best of both worlds.

A lot of inconsistencies when compared to the SM codex where plasmas are just 15 regardless if its a veteran, tactical or command sqaud.