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Just because FLG doesn't treat your emails as communications from God doesn't mean its a conspiracy. And not every thread needs to be about you.

Why do you guys think I am thinking about myself? I just told you I play a different army, why would I complain about changes that are being done to an army that I don't play!

Save your breath. They care not for fairness nor equal treatment.

I've being blamed for bring WAAC and having biased opinion just because I play tau and think the nerf are uncalled for, the preemptive nerfs are outright absurd and the questions are worded in a very leading way.

The fact I own only a single ghostkeel, zero piranhas (and even just one riptide and zero broadsides, I just spam various crisis suits) is irrelevant, I play tau therefor everything I say is meaningless, regardless of the fact these rulings have no direct effect on me, regardless of any mathematical or logical point I bring up (who are more often than not receiving no answer at all, let alone a good counterpoint) and I'm facing the same balant lies coming from a select few of the community here on what tau actually can and cannot do according to the RAW rules. (and I know it's lies and not mistakes, ad they repeat it after being corrected dozens of times)


The vast majority of tau nerf support comes from either pure hate, or simple ignorance.
If I have to list the things in tau that actually need to be toned down:
-The riptide's IA needs to lose the non-NOVA blast. Not usual FAQ level fix, but it single handedly fixes the riptide.
-The broadsides HYMP is too efficient (T increase, HRR buff and point increase fixes it, but that's outside FAQ realm)
-The Hunter Contingent need to be clarified that it works like the Firebase Support Cadre and require all models to target the same thing.
-The firestorm formation needs to be put under a magnifying glass and allowed to roam free and see if it's truly too much or "just" on the very strong realm.

That's it. No further messing is required. All the contingent nerfs, premature firestorm nerfs, ghostkeel nerfs, etc are all plain wrong and the result of misguided fearmonging and plain old hate.

Hoooooly crap the freaking victim complexes in this thread are out of control. Like, calm the heck down.

Friday should be pretty entertaining one way or the other.

 CKO wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
Yeah the second best Tau list was an FSE using the drones. They nerfed him at the last second and he didn't get very far at all.

I bet he wouldn't have even won the tournament if he didn't get nerfed, but you know that Tau fear and bias.

I agree with you as well Grizzyzz. I was originally quite upset when they made polls public and so conveniently timed with the Tau release as well. The one and most hated faction gets a big release and polls go public with fear mongering and hysteria everywhere.

It's been a complete farce for Tau, but I'm sure other armies out there have horror stories like us. Right?

Also I do play FSE and am much more mobile. To the point where when I do take a SS I might use its default gun because it's going to be in close range a lot more with me.

Gamgee where have you been I thought I was the only one who notice this!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/675443.page

I made a thread about it, I even made another thread to show where the piranha formation is not overpowered. I have created 3 threads with over 3k viewers and the response I get is you should go through the proper channels to get in contact so I tried to get in contact via personal message and facebook to voice my concerns and ironically they ask a question on the poll to further nerf the piranha formation! Than everyone tells me I should try email or ask the question through the blog so I did that, I wonder what the result will be?

The worst part is I dont even play Tau, I play Marines and Imperial Guard! I just see the injustice and I dislike it and I am seen as the bad guy. The inability of people to see that they are being manipulated is unbearable! The vote to allow Dark Eldar to get a 10 point hq so they can use the points they save to pay for a venom or pay for another warp spider squad makes me want to through up. There are so many flaws that its crazy and people want to act like its perfect, give me a break.

Luckily for me you are that break or atleast a breathe of fresh air, I have a companion!

How did I miss that thread? Now our number is two and perhaps more. All we can do is continue to spread the word. Could you imagine if in Football/Soccer/Hockey the day the day the big semi-finals dawns and they change a rule of the game at the last second that hinders one team specifically. Oh my goodness it would be madness. Or if in Dota2/Leage of Legends they patched a hero one team is using just before the finals match to be worse. What if Space Marines or Eldar got nerfed mid tournament?

Cindis wrote:
Friday should be pretty entertaining one way or the other.

Oh, I guarantee it.

And for those Tau whiners, how come Eldar don't have unlimited Jetbike upgrades? The 1/3 heavy weapons limit is a clear nerf that isn't supported by RAW at all. RAW specifically states that any Jetbike can be upgraded to carry a heavy weapon.

The precedent is clearly set that ITC is not RAW, so enjoy your nerfs!

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

Cindis wrote:
Friday should be pretty entertaining one way or the other.

Oh, I guarantee it.

And for those Tau whiners, how come Eldar don't have unlimited Jetbike upgrades? The 1/3 heavy weapons limit is a clear nerf that isn't supported by RAW at all. RAW specifically states that any Jetbike can be upgraded to carry a heavy weapon.

The precedent is clearly set that ITC is not RAW, so enjoy your nerfs!

When you get nerferd mid tournament to 1/4 heavy weapons you'll kn ow how it feels to be the Tau. Then next tournament they reduce all your psyker masteries by one level. Then next tournament they talk about limiting you to one single wraitknight. Then next tournament they limit Eldar to only a single formation. Then next tournament we'll say they.... take away all your D weapons. Whatever the commoners fear the most and roll on the random nerf chart.

Except none of that is going to happen to you since Eldar are not hated like Tau. Nowhere near as much.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

Cindis wrote:
Friday should be pretty entertaining one way or the other.

Oh, I guarantee it.

And for those Tau whiners, how come Eldar don't have unlimited Jetbike upgrades? The 1/3 heavy weapons limit is a clear nerf that isn't supported by RAW at all. RAW specifically states that any Jetbike can be upgraded to carry a heavy weapon.

The precedent is clearly set that ITC is not RAW, so enjoy your nerfs!

As a Tau player, my thoughts on your comment.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

Cindis wrote:
Friday should be pretty entertaining one way or the other.

Oh, I guarantee it.

And for those Tau whiners, how come Eldar don't have unlimited Jetbike upgrades? The 1/3 heavy weapons limit is a clear nerf that isn't supported by RAW at all. RAW specifically states that any Jetbike can be upgraded to carry a heavy weapon.

The precedent is clearly set that ITC is not RAW, so enjoy your nerfs!

Wait.. did I miss something? The two top 8 Eldar lists both had squads of all scatterbikes... or was this in the recent poll (i honestly don't recall.. and if it was i would have voted RAW) Let them pay for it, takes points away from fielding more D weapons

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

Cindis wrote:
Friday should be pretty entertaining one way or the other.

Oh, I guarantee it.

And for those Tau whiners, how come Eldar don't have unlimited Jetbike upgrades? The 1/3 heavy weapons limit is a clear nerf that isn't supported by RAW at all. RAW specifically states that any Jetbike can be upgraded to carry a heavy weapon.

The precedent is clearly set that ITC is not RAW, so enjoy your nerfs!

What are you talking about? Jet bikes can have unlimited HW in ITC

notredameguy10 wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

Cindis wrote:
Friday should be pretty entertaining one way or the other.

Oh, I guarantee it.

And for those Tau whiners, how come Eldar don't have unlimited Jetbike upgrades? The 1/3 heavy weapons limit is a clear nerf that isn't supported by RAW at all. RAW specifically states that any Jetbike can be upgraded to carry a heavy weapon.

The precedent is clearly set that ITC is not RAW, so enjoy your nerfs!

What are you talking about? Jet bikes can have unlimited HW in ITC

Just goes to prove my point on ignorance and baseless hate, just like half antitau out there, he doesn't even know the rules he argues on. Though this case it's tournament rule rather than outright codex ignorance (the amount of that thing floating around is absurd though. I'm still seems people get anything from jetpack to NOVA to markerlight rules completely and utterly wrong)

 Formosa wrote:
So.... When are we gonna get to vote on the Wraithknigt, 450pts minimum, and scatter bikes, 1-3 heavy weapons, that would make eldar a little bearable to me.

This, right here.

Per my initial post, I don't play competitively any more. I read that ITC had been nerfing Eldars. Oh well.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Per my initial post, I don't play competitively any more. I read that ITC had been nerfing Eldars. Oh well.

There are no nerfs to scat bikes - it was voted against - probably by many of the same tau players you're now voting to nerf and insulting because they want "raw" for their models.. So basically, you voted to nerf tau, because you don't like a guy on Dakka, even though you are completely tuned out of the competitive game, and don't attend tournaments.

So to sum it up: you are voting to potentially harm an entire playerbase for a play style (tournaments) you don't even participate in, based on perceived nerfs (that don't exist) to your own codex because of your dislike for another poster on here, who has stated he doesn't play tau.

Wow, that's kind of awful honestly.

I do play Tau actually, but they are still trying to mess it up for the entire tau player base. Foolish.

Otherwise your correct Target.

I would imagine there are quite a few Eldar players looking for payback against Gamgee because of his Operation Pitchfork thread a while back.

Target wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Per my initial post, I don't play competitively any more. I read that ITC had been nerfing Eldars. Oh well.

There are no nerfs to scat bikes - it was voted against - probably by many of the same tau players you're now voting to nerf and insulting because they want "raw" for their models.. So basically, you voted to nerf tau, because you don't like a guy on Dakka,

Given that he was they guy who wanted everybody to ban (not merely nerf) Eldar, yes.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/645028.page

He literally wanted me not to be able to play with my army. At all.

So excuse me for taking that personally and holding a grudge. A grudge that will not end until the ITC actually perma-bans Tau armies from their events. In the mean time, I will be satisfied to see Tau nerfed into the ground simply to spite him.

Can't we all just get along.....

But seriously, please do not vendetta vote. The player-base is already small enough compared to before. Don't let it shrink any further. People who dislike the ITC or their methods will in most likelihood not play in their events. However, don't punish those players who still enjoy playing in the ITC even with armies altered by the ITC.

That is all. Thanks.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

Target wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Per my initial post, I don't play competitively any more. I read that ITC had been nerfing Eldars. Oh well.

There are no nerfs to scat bikes - it was voted against - probably by many of the same tau players you're now voting to nerf and insulting because they want "raw" for their models.. So basically, you voted to nerf tau, because you don't like a guy on Dakka,

Given that he was they guy who wanted everybody to ban (not merely nerf) Eldar, yes.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/645028.page

He literally wanted me not to be able to play with my army. At all.

So excuse me for taking that personally and holding a grudge. A grudge that will not end until the ITC actually perma-bans Tau armies from their events. In the mean time, I will be satisfied to see Tau nerfed into the ground simply to spite him.

Wow, I normally listen to everyone's opinion and move on with my life, but you sir have earned my first ignore. And I don't agree eye to to eye with Gamgee.

Even if Gamgee hadn't put a big old target on his forehead, John would have stirred things up. He likes to do that.

 jy2 wrote:
Can't we all just get along.....

But seriously, please do not vendetta vote. The player-base is already small enough compared to before. Don't let it shrink any further. People who dislike the ITC or their methods will in most likelihood not play in their events. However, don't punish those players who still enjoy playing in the ITC even with armies altered by the ITC.

That is all. Thanks.

Not when people call for boycotts of entire armies, no, we can't get along.

I voted as I like, and that includes punitive voting. Unlike Gamgee, I didn't campaign calling for others to join me. Nor did I multi-vote as has been accused. I don't expect that my single vote will decide anything. But even if it did, I just don't see any harm in that. It's not like nerfing Tau is going to make them unplayable. Or worse than, say, Guard or CSM. And it's not like any of this is graven in stone. Any of it can be easily undone in the next poll. It's just not a big deal.

In any case, next poll, I'll just stay quiet, rather than riling everybody up.


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 Crimson Devil wrote:
Even if Gamgee hadn't put a big old target on his forehead, John would have stirred things up. He likes to do that.

I admit that I don't mind stir the pot a little from time to time; however, jumping into tournament-related stuff like this is rather unusual for me, as it's not really an interest area for me. I think you underestimate just how much Gamgee annoyed me with his "boycott Eldar" call, to the extent that I actually bother to pay attention to ITC activity at all. If not for his earlier temper tantrum, I'd have paid this no heed, as I've done in years past.

So, you are into punishing all tau players because there was one tau player that was a jerk and wanted to harm all eldar.

That's the definition of collective punishment, that is not morally just, that is not fair and that is not even legal in more rulesystems.

It would equate that I would harm eldar in the local turny I am running just because you are now the jerk, do you think that would be fair?

I mean, this is a whole new level of ignorance. "Dude X did something that pissed me off, so I'll do the same fething thing to hundrends of others to settle my score with him."
This is racism level logic.

I don't see any problem with collective punishment of Tau players because there aren't any in my playgroup, and the ITC has no sway in what we do. I do not care in the slightest what you do in your tournament because I am never going to play in it. I really don't care whether you like it or not.

I don't recall you having much in the way of principles when people were wanting to stick it to the Eldar a while back. Funny, that.

 BoomWolf wrote:
So, you are into punishing all tau players because there was one tau player that was a jerk and wanted to harm all eldar.

That's the definition of collective punishment, that is not morally just, that is not fair and that is not even legal in more rulesystems.

It would equate that I would harm eldar in the local turny I am running just because you are now the jerk, do you think that would be fair?

I mean, this is a whole new level of ignorance. "Dude X did something that pissed me off, so I'll do the same fething thing to hundrends of others to settle my score with him."
This is racism level logic.

Yeah, I've actually played in a tournament where the guy who looked like he was going to win was such a jerk, his opponent started getting advice from other people at the tournament who had already played him just to make sure he didn't win. (I had already lost to him, he was one of those guys who didn't believe that a mishap occured because part of his dread knight's base went off the table on DS, and he convinently forgot he went to ground with his big squad of BS 5 guns two turns in a row until his assault phase was over.) This guy was the reason I learned to hate Grey Knights. I've since gotten over it as he never came back, and Grey Knights aren't really a bad army to play against, they just have a bunch of tricks you have to be prepared for. (side note 5th edition)

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I don't see any problem with collective punishment of Tau players because there aren't any in my playgroup, and the ITC has no sway in what we do. I do not care in the slightest what you do in your tournament because I am never going to play in it. I really don't care whether you like it or not.

I don't recall you having much in the way of principles when people were wanting to stick it to the Eldar a while back. Funny, that.

At this point.. I am assuming your just trolling the thread now..


But in all seriousness, did anything harmful come to eldar from gamgee's pitchfork nonsense? no.. nothing actually happened. Anyway, deaf ears and all.

Cheers!

May you find inner peace and become the dragon warrior we know you to be. (sorry just watched kung fu panda )

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I don't see any problem with collective punishment of Tau players because there aren't any in my playgroup, and the ITC has no sway in what we do. I do not care in the slightest what you do in your tournament because I am never going to play in it. I really don't care whether you like it or not.

I don't recall you having much in the way of principles when people were wanting to stick it to the Eldar a while back. Funny, that.

The fact you don't remember my presence calling against it means not I supported sticking it to eldar.
I was simply less active back then, but still advocated to keep it as RAW as possible.
I said the codex was stupid and overpowered. But I still did not support any nerf, at all, not even the ones currently standing.

On a design level, there is much in eldar codex I would nerf. But that's if I was in a position of rewriting the codex, not in a tournament ruling. Same as there are some tau things I would tone down, much in chaos I would buff, etc.

What I say the CODEX should be is one thing. But once the codex is there, I would not change a thing on tournament ruling unless it was ambiguous, or tested and proven to be beyond any scale.

And none of the tau nerfs lately were tested and shown to be overly dominant. Most were not even tested and the ones that were did not actually did very well.
Same as the ranged D, that too was stupid ruling as it was never the problem to begin with,abd proper testing would have shown that. Shown to prove that almost nobody takes the "overly overpowered" wraith units beyond the knight, and the knight is overpowered not because of the D, but because of the GMC stats.

I mean, D-scythes exist but k.

Well we'll see in a few hours from now. Though I guess it won't matter, no matter what the results are people are just going to whinge at one another.

Tau players like anime cartoons and this is a bad thread.