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This video makes me think that GW writers haven't really defined of what a soul is in their setting or how it should behave.

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These people are not very good at what they're trying to do...

And trauma makes your children die?

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 Knight wrote:


This video makes me think that GW writers haven't really defined of what a soul is in their setting or how it should behave.
They haven't, really.
   
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It seems pretty clear to me. In AoS a soul is a kind of battery. It can be used to power life or certain magic spells but it is not infinite. In the legions of Nagash book they say that souls that end up in one of the underworlds eventually cease to be. Slaanesh has been gradually digesting the Aelf souls so some of the Idoneth souls come out with a very low charge. These souls can be recharged using the energy of other souls which consumes them, hence the anger of Nagash.
   
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They seem to have an idea of what a soul is but haven't clearly defined it at any point. But then maybe they have an internal fluff definition intentionally left unrevealed outside of writers.

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Have we seen these pages?

I used spoilers to hide the big pictures, open them at your own peril.

Spoiler:

Spoiler:
   
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Interesting, thanks for the tidbit.

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I dont know poeple. This a bit much, what they try to tell in this video. Like the Idoneth, the Fyreslayers and the Kharadron Overlords were the first new stuff to AOS? What about the Stormcast Eternals, Sylvaneth and Ironjaws? Those three where the first new releases when AOS hit the market. I smell a lot of bs here.
   
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LA

That artwork is pretty subpar, can see the little squiggles and lines of a meh photoshop job. None of the texture grit and realism and atmosphere of the stuff GW used to put out when they had in house artists and not these hired freelancers who slap this stuff together. I guess it's only slightly better than some of the questionable stuff in the Kharadron book.

 
   
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 Thargrim wrote:
That artwork is pretty subpar, can see the little squiggles and lines of a meh photoshop job. None of the texture grit and realism and atmosphere of the stuff GW used to put out when they had in house artists and not these hired freelancers who slap this stuff together. I guess it's only slightly better than some of the questionable stuff in the Kharadron book.
Artists can't make up for nostalgia.

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 Thargrim wrote:
That artwork is pretty subpar, can see the little squiggles and lines of a meh photoshop job. None of the texture grit and realism and atmosphere of the stuff GW used to put out when they had in house artists and not these hired freelancers who slap this stuff together. I guess it's only slightly better than some of the questionable stuff in the Kharadron book.


As an artist, I see style. The artist went with an intentionally sketchy set of brushes to give some interesting texture to the picture. Yes, you can see those squiggly lines. That was the artists' choice. Does that make it subpar? Well, in your eyes, sure. In my eyes, the artwork is rather fun and the texture is appreciated, and I wouldn't have noticed those squiggly lines if you hadn't pointed them out with your overcritical eye. :I
   
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herjan1987 wrote:
I dont know poeple. This a bit much, what they try to tell in this video. Like the Idoneth, the Fyreslayers and the Kharadron Overlords were the first new stuff to AOS? What about the Stormcast Eternals, Sylvaneth and Ironjaws? Those three where the first new releases when AOS hit the market. I smell a lot of bs here.

The stormcast I will give you, though they have been pretty honest about them closing the loop with chaos warriors and space marines. The Sylvaneth and the Ironjawz were expanded out of existing kits. That's why they didn't mention Daughters as they are also an expansion of some existing kits into a full range. With the fyreslayers,Ko and Idoneth they started from scratch.
Also Thagrim GW currently have about 10 in house artists.
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Right behind you.

Anyone else really excited for Saturday? I NEED MY BOOK!
   
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My excitement waned so I didn't ordered the book. I think it's the blind, bald thralls and dark eldar vibe that sort of pushed me away. I still need to find the time to work on my current high born and Order army so that's not bad. I'd probably be all over this army, if I would like the basic infantry just a bit more. Soulrender and sea king are just gorgeous.

I do hope we get more clues about the light elves but it seems a bit foolish to get my hopes up.
   
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Right behind you.

 Knight wrote:
My excitement waned so I didn't ordered the book. I think it's the blind, bald thralls and dark eldar vibe that sort of pushed me away. I still need to find the time to work on my current high born and Order army so that's not bad. I'd probably be all over this army, if I would like the basic infantry just a bit more. Soulrender and sea king are just gorgeous.

I do hope we get more clues about the light elves but it seems a bit foolish to get my hopes up.

I wouldn't feel foolish, the Idoneth got namedropped in Daughters of Khaine after all.

If I see anything, I'll make sure to post it.
   
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 Knight wrote:
My excitement waned so I didn't ordered the book. I think it's the blind, bald thralls and dark eldar vibe that sort of pushed me away. I still need to find the time to work on my current high born and Order army so that's not bad. I'd probably be all over this army, if I would like the basic infantry just a bit more. Soulrender and sea king are just gorgeous.

I do hope we get more clues about the light elves but it seems a bit foolish to get my hopes up.


It’s funny because when I first heard another Order - Aelf faction, I was like ho hum. Then after reading about blind, mad, soul stealing folk, I was like I must get these!

This post isn’t a rebuke, it is just interesting how preferences shake out.
   
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 KiloFiX wrote:
IThis post isn’t a rebuke, it is just interesting how preferences shake out.


I'm quite aware that there are others with who it might resonate more. It's not the case that I'm disliking the entire pack. I might order some eels and the sea king to have them in my order army. We (that's me and my friend) don't play competitive so my lack of spells and artifacts isn't so keenly felt. With the rumor of a new AoS edition and a possibility for a new intro box, I also don't want to add more projects to my backlog.

Kanluwen wrote:If I see anything, I'll make sure to post it.

That would be much appreciated.
   
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Right behind you.


From War of Sigmar.

Points spread is...interesting.
   
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Thralls points bother me. They seem like slightly more fragile hammerers but battleline, better abilities and cheaper.

Still the units seem good.

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I'm not seeing anything particularly out of line there. GW has really improved their point costing of late, barring a few outliers (blightkings, GUO, Temple Nest).

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I'm not seeing anything particularly out of line there. GW has really improved their point costing of late, barring a few outliers (blightkings, GUO, Temple Nest).

Honestly, for me it's something like the Soulrender. 100pts for his profile seems a bit excessive.

Oh yeah, remember how we were discussing the King's Command ability?


This seems to be why it's so ho-hum.

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Ooooo, good move with that battalion. Still wholly within but it's movement so something you get good use from early on when its easier to position that way. Wee bit high on the cost (I'd put it at 120) but good to have as an option.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Ooooo, good move with that battalion. Still wholly within but it's movement so something you get good use from early on when its easier to position that way. Wee bit high on the cost (I'd put it at 120) but good to have as an option.

Eels(M14") on turn 2(run+charge) are going to be hideous with that.
   
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I would value it more around 150 but both the other characters have to be close by (not a huge deal) and alive, meaning if one of them dies the whole benefit is gone. Offset by the the early game being most useful for said benefit but still.

And yes I imagine eels are going to slingshot waaay out using that!

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I would value it more around 150 but both the other characters have to be close by (not a huge deal) and alive, meaning if one of them dies the whole benefit is gone. Offset by the the early game being most useful for said benefit but still.

You can actually kinda/sorta keep them 'safe' by ensuring that you keep the Tidecaster and Soulscryer off board via the Soulscryer's ability.


And yes I imagine eels are going to slingshot waaay out using that!

It's kind of terrifying to be honest.
   
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I'm tempted to turn from Seraphon to these guys. I'm just disappointed that they weren't fishmen types (I was hoping for Abe Sapien from Hellboy type vibe).

I may be tempted to use the battletome but use the models from Mantic's Trident Realms models for the main troops as they fit my view a bit more.

40K:
Death Guard - 6450 points.

AoS:
Seraphon - 440 points.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I would value it more around 150 but both the other characters have to be close by (not a huge deal) and alive, meaning if one of them dies the whole benefit is gone. Offset by the the early game being most useful for said benefit but still.

You can actually kinda/sorta keep them 'safe' by ensuring that you keep the Tidecaster and Soulscryer off board via the Soulscryer's ability.


And yes I imagine eels are going to slingshot waaay out using that!
Well they need to be on the board for the benefit to work.
It's kind of terrifying to be honest.

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 KiloFiX wrote:
 Knight wrote:
My excitement waned so I didn't ordered the book. I think it's the blind, bald thralls and dark eldar vibe that sort of pushed me away. I still need to find the time to work on my current high born and Order army so that's not bad. I'd probably be all over this army, if I would like the basic infantry just a bit more. Soulrender and sea king are just gorgeous.

I do hope we get more clues about the light elves but it seems a bit foolish to get my hopes up.


It’s funny because when I first heard another Order - Aelf faction, I was like ho hum. Then after reading about blind, mad, soul stealing folk, I was like I must get these!

This post isn’t a rebuke, it is just interesting how preferences shake out.


Yup! I ordered the book, and as time goes on I will collect the models. I have not played AoS, but I would like to some day and so far this is the most interesting faction to me. Every other faction just bored me to tears.





 
   
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 NinthMusketeer wrote:

Well they need to be on the board for the benefit to work.

Right, but the Soulscryer and Tidecaster can be off the board and then come in at the end of any of your Movement Phases.

Since the Command Ability is issued during your Hero Phase(which is after Movement), you can keep those two safe for the nastiness.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:

Well they need to be on the board for the benefit to work.

Right, but the Soulscryer and Tidecaster can be off the board and then come in at the end of any of your Movement Phases.

Since the Command Ability is issued during your Hero Phase(which is after Movement), you can keep those two safe for the nastiness.
(hero phase is before movement in AoS)

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