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Too early to say but since it sounds like only one of many tragedies to befall them. Their flawed creation may have made them unstable in some other way that Teclis deemed too unfixable to attempt to repair and thus turned his attentions away from them to start from scratch.

Looking forward to finding out.

Also, I know you posted this in rumors but I thought it belonged here too.

https://scontent-frx5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29598408_1333128983454340_5706991228081381919_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=86214d4b658e5c372968ca69bc8fd932&oe=5B7037EE

Was all the leaked text posted on Dakka? I've bounced from one source to another that I'm not really sure.



I think Teclis didn't abandoned them by his own choice. This is just a feel, but I don't think Teclis is going to be portrayed as this cold emotionless absent minded wizard.

The fluff looks worthy of the miniatures. I like that.

Yeah, I posted that last page.

You're probably right about Teclis but that's just my theory. I'm not really saying that he turned his attention away by being cold but by being desperate to recover his race from Slaanesh and the neglect caused by it was still felt by the Deepkin who thought it better to move on.

It was turbulent times though and anything could've happened.


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 Future War Cultist wrote:
The fluff looks worthy of the miniatures. I like that.

Same but who had unworthy fluff?

 Knight wrote:
Was all the leaked text posted on Dakka? I've bounced from one source to another that I'm not really sure.

Spoiler:

I think Teclis didn't abandoned them by his own choice. This is just a feel, but I don't think Teclis is going to be portrayed as this cold emotionless absent minded wizard.

Interesting.

@ Baron Klatz

Nobody. I don’t know why I said that.

Haha, no worries, I got what you meant.

These releases keep outdoing eachother in great background content and lore.

Another piece of the puzzle falls into its place. I don't think Teclis did something wrong, yet I do wonder what is this shadow that seems integral to the deepkin.

Cant say I blame them for running after he started gazing into souls and sending people mad because they didn't measure up to his ridiculous expectations. Teclis sounds like a seriously pushy and overbearing parent that's projecting onto his creations.

Perfection is a sinister illusion and AoS deities are flawed in one way or the other. The division between him and the Cythai appears to have been building for some time and I wonder if inevitable split wouldn't had happened anyway by some other means.

It'd be interesting to understand how the dialogue between the parties went, did the Cythai knew about this "soul shadow" and were afraid to speak or did Teclis never bothered with simply talking to them? The material that was previously posted appears to indicate that they knew something was off and only later to their horror did they find out.

My mind keeps going back to the trailer. If it's Teclis the one who's narrating it, could it be that by illuminating on the shadow of the Cythai he found a way to knit his lightkin? The narrator is this way only telling parts of the story, without any specific focus on the Deepkin?

the narrator could also be Aislinn. I mean the dude survived multiple near-kills and he was the avatar of Mathlann during end-times. Altough he did take a widowmaker to the hearth.

I really wanted to like this release, but... Eh... Both the backstory and the miniatures are a disappointment to me.
The models are beautiful, but from what I pictured in my mind from the name and from the first few snippets of informations we got, I was expecting something more dark, not this brightly colored, smooth, polished army.
I was picturing dark, briney, cold themes, something more akin to the deptsh of the northern atlantic, not something out of a coralline barrier.

Will check the battletome anyway. perhaps I can kitbash and paint something more dark from this.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
It’s actually more of a gentleman’s agreement among friends rather than an official rule or anything.

My group had the same agreement.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Cant say I blame them for running after he started gazing into souls and sending people mad because they didn't measure up to his ridiculous expectations. Teclis sounds like a seriously pushy and overbearing parent that's projecting onto his creations.

Indeed, gods aren't known for their understanding of mortal problems.

Agreed, arrogance is a fault of such powerful beings.

I will defend Teclis though on wanting to have a stable and powerful new form of his people that would lead them into a age where they not only survive but thrive.

It's a pity for the Deepkin but they can always grow from their tragedy and somehow solve the trial in the future. (Looking at ShadeSpire)

themes, something more akin to the deptsh of the northern atlantic, not something out of a coralline barrier

I don't think it'll be that hard to convert them to look more dark. There's tons of wicked beasts and evil armor bits you can use to make them look merciless.

I like coral reef thing myself, I'd love to convert some Sylvaneth parts for it.(also I find the things in a coral reef terrifying enough. )

I think even just a paint scheme swap can go a long way towards making them look a bit more menacing.

I'd definitely paint them in dark colours.

I wonder what the national anthem is going to be. Sorry for this, but got to say it. Fish Heads?

Fish Heads Fish Heads Rolly Polly Fish Heads....

Sorry just woke up saw the thread and after seeing the awesome pics first thing popped in my mind lol.

Being part of Alliance Order seems weird given their background

Yeah at first but it makes sense as you read their background.

https://i.imgur.com/4zxBg0Fh.jpg

Chaos is right out, Death is not a choice since they take Nagash's souls away and they are too civilized to be barbaric destruction since they want to create and sustain their race rather than destroy and steal souls for laughs.

I'd make them Death. They literally kill others to sustain themselves. GW were really dumb with with their grand alliances. They're Chaos, Gorkamorka, Nagash and everybody else. It's pretty boring to have everyone be "Order".

That's the problem, "to sustain themselves" , all souls belong to Nagash and Nagash alone.

If they join him then they'll die out from no souls and Nagash will just shrug and bring them back as undead servants which ends their faction.

It's definitely better they are Order. The problem here is that there needed to be other Death releases like the upcoming nighthaunts and new races for them, not shoe-horn sea aelves into them.

On the otherhand, converting undead Deepkin would be cool. I imagine proxying the new wraiths for ghost sea creatures and using the Firestorm undead pirate rules would be really cool.

That's only a problem because Death isn't what the faction is. The faction is really Nagash.

Death should be factions that are tied into death magic for some reason. Pinching the souls of others fits that.

But it's redundant talking about it as GW already made their dumbness.

Why are you here, pm? It seems like all you ever do is complain about the AoS lore and system. You're fully aware that there are other systems available, and many of the AoS models can be used in them.

Why do other people just ignore all the stupid rubbish? If not liking something about it is a problem I'll just start saying nothing but "I like X".
The fact I dislike a lot of things doesn't mean I dislike it overall. The good outweighs the bad.

There are other systems that nobody near me plays and my friends have no interest starting them which is fine because neither do I.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I think even just a paint scheme swap can go a long way towards making them look a bit more menacing.

Probably that'd help, but as I said, and this is of course just a personal opinion, given the theme, the name and the actions they do, I was expecting something less coral reef themed and more North Sea/Atlantic/New England themed.

I mean, one of the color schemes is right out of the1960s Aquaman! Complete with green legguards and orange chestpiece!

Interesting models, some are really gorgeous, like the avatar with the crashing wave cloak, but others are off the fantasy I had in mind. It's the issue with diluted releases, I think.

That's only a problem because Death isn't what the faction is. The faction is really Nagash. 

Actually the Flesh Eater Court is s great counter to that point.

They're a mix of living and undead creatures that are independent of Nagash and can choose to fight with or against him. Which with their madness can happen either way as some see him as a shining god like Sigmar (and thus worth worshipping by such a noble army) or see him as he really is and a enemy to their first ghoul king.

Death needs more factions like that.

Ah touche. I have to admit I was wrong there seeing as I completely forgot the new ghouls.

They need way more like that.

Agreed.

With how the lore has everything from mortal cities fully integrated with the undead in the Death realm and even far away cities having Nagash worshippers handing out pamphlets and spreading Nagash worship hopefully we will get more mortal+ undead armies like say beastmasters using undead behemoths from Ghur or metal realm tribes outfitting undead in great armor and magic jewelry. (Apparently metal realm necromancers do that on a smaller scale to make their skeletons stand-out with gold ornamentation )

I look at the image and can't not help myself but to think how cool Swifthawks would look with three - four new units added to them.