pm713 wrote:
GW were really dumb with with their grand alliances. They're Chaos, Gorkamorka, Nagash and everybody else. It's pretty boring to have everyone be "Order".

Baron Klatz wrote:
Agreed.

With how the lore has everything from mortal cities fully integrated with the undead in the Death realm and even far away cities having Nagash worshippers handing out pamphlets and spreading Nagash worship hopefully we will get more mortal+ undead armies like say beastmasters using undead behemoths from Ghur or metal realm tribes outfitting undead in great armor and magic jewelry. (Apparently metal realm necromancers do that on a smaller scale to make their skeletons stand-out with gold ornamentation )

pm713 wrote:
It really doesn't. Almost everything new is Order because things that aren't Order are incredibly limited.
I see plenty of things in AoS in a positive way. But not stupid things.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
There was definitely a race of water dwelling goblins introduced in an old White Dwarf. Make them a faction.

Me? I’m just waiting for grotbag scuttlers.

 Backspacehacker wrote:

For me it's just another sigmar army, that suffers from the same problem all of them do. Way to over designed models.

 Enigma of the Absolute wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:

For me it's just another sigmar army, that suffers from the same problem all of them do. Way to over designed models.

Indeed. I don't have much of an opinion with regards to AoS and I realise that many people enjoy it but I simply don't "get it" on a conceptual level.

This is usually when someone else pipes in that GW's worldbuilding has always been half baked, tongue in cheek and derivative. Perhaps so but at least they had creative people who had a strong instinct for that sort of stuff.

pm713 wrote:
The issue is AoS is most definitely a continuation. From referring to the world of Fantasy to porting so many characters over it's not really possible to pretend it's not a continuation.

It's definitely a different kind of universe but it's stuck as a continuation because that's how GW made it. Although it might have worked out better if they hadn't done that.

 Luvvo wrote:
Anyone watch the Deepkin battle vs Maggotkin of Nurlge last night on Warhammer Twitch?

I was setup to watch all evening, but the wife had other plans.

I witnessed the Leviadon ready to pounce on a bunch of Plague Drones, but didn't get to see the charge and wound result!

>Command Traits
>1 Remorsless Raider
Reroll charges for the general
>2 Hunter of Souls
Reroll wound rolls of 1 for the general
>3 Unstoppable Fury
+2Attacks to all weapons on the general during High Tide
>4 Born Again from Agony
+2W wounds for the general
>5 Nemoran(?) Legacy
-1Bravery for every enemy within 12" of the general
>Lord of the Storm and Sea
+2 Bravery for IDK within 12" of the general

>Artefacts (Akhelian only)
>Sanguine Pearl
5+ FnP
>Potion of Hateful Frenzy
once per game +1 to hit and wound for one turn, take a mortal wound afterwards
>An'Kashar (sp?) Spur
+3" Move, reroll 1s to hit for attacks made by the mount
>Armor of Sy'te (sp?)
-1 to hit the bearer in melee
>Bioshock Shell
once per battle each enemy unit within 3" of the bearer takes d3 mortal wounds
>Abyssal Blade
one weapon gets additional -1Rend. also gets +1 damage against Slaanesh models

>Artifacts (availiable to all IDK)
>Rune of the Certain Tide
one use; either +1"Move for all IDK or -1" Move for everybody else for the turn
>Black Pearl
6+ FnP
>Leander's Last Lament
one use; 18" Fearless bubble for IDK
>Teranade (sp?) Venom
Reroll 1s to wound for one weapon. -1 Bravery for models wounded on a 6 with that weapon
>Cloud of Midnights
one use; can't attack or be attacked for one phase
>Whirlshell
one
use; pick enemy hero within 9" and roll 2d6. If you beat the hero's
Bravery he must subtract -1 from all hit rolls for the rest of the
battle.

>Artifacts (Isharann wizards only)
>Steelshell Pearl
5+ FnP against ranged
>Mindflayer
one use; -1 to hit during a combat phase of a enemy unit within 3"
>Drich (sp?) Leach
-1 to cast rolls for wizards (except IDK) within 18" of the bearer
>Orruk Lantern
pick enemy unit within 18" that is in cover; unit doesn't get cover
>Disharmony Stones
one
use; pick up to two enemy heroes within 12", enemy must pick: each hero
suffers a mortal wound on a 3+; each hero suffers d3 mortal wounds on a
5+ or each hero suffers d3 mortal wounds, but on a 4+ you suffer d3
mortal wounds as well
>Brain Barnacle
one
use; pick enemy within 12" and roll 2d6, if the roll is enough to reach
the enemy hero he takes -1 to hit and cast for the rest of the battle

>Artifacts (wizards only)
>Arcane Pearl
5+FnP against mortal wounds
>Sands of Infinity
one use; one 'until your next hero phase'-spell last until the hero phase after that (i.e. two turns).
>Coral Ring
reroll one failed cast per game, also reroll one failed unbind per game
>Bauble of Buoyancy
grants Fly, reroll run rolls
>Krakentooth one use; pick enemy within 12" and roll a die: 1 - bearer takes a mortal
wound, 2-5 – enemy unit suffers d3 mortal wounds, 6 – one enemy model in
the unit is slain if it has less than 10 wounds or suffers 2d6 mortal
wounds if it has more than 10 wounds
>Augury Shells
one
use; roll 2d6, you can substitute that roll for a cast roll by the
bearer or a unbind roll made against a spell made by the bearer

>Spells
>Steed of Tides (5+)
pick hero that's not a monster, remove from battlefield and set up within 24" and at least 9" from the enemy
>Abyssal Tides (5+)
IDK within 9" count as in cover
>Maelstrom (6+)
pick spot within 18" and roll a die for each enemy unit within 3" of that; if roll is less or equal to the number of model in the unit it suffers d3 mortal wounds
>Pressure of the Deep (7+)
pick a model within 12" and roll a die; if greater than the model's wound characteristic it is slain
>Tide of Fear (6+)
pick unit within 12", until next hero phase subtract -1 from hit rolls and bravery
>Arcane Coasion (6+)
pick closest enemy unit within 48" and measure distance to the caster: <=12" target suffers a mortal wound; 13"-24" target suffers two mortal wounds, 25"-36 three mortal wounds, 37"-48" four mortal wounds

>Ritual (all Isharann know these)
roll 2d6, success on a 10+, one per hero phase, +1 if Priest, +1 if within 3" of Shipwreck, +1 for each Isharann hero within 3"
>Erosion
until next hero phase no enemy unit benefits from cover
>Rousing
heal all Eidolons by 1 and reroll all failed hit and casting rolls for Eidolons until next hero phase
>Tempest
enemy units lose Fly until next hero phase

>Ionrach
+1 to casting and unbinding. Command Trait (have to take) allies gain Tides of Death battletrait.
>Dhom-hain
Reroll hit rolls of 1 for Akhelian and Namarti units that made a charge move in the same turn, Rerolls failed wound rolls for Akhelian units that target a monster.
>Fuethan
Reroll hit rolls of 1 for Fuethan units that are affected by Flood Tide (Turn 2), additionally when they would be affected by Ebb Tide (Turn 4) they are instead affected by Flood Tide. In Combat Phase reroll wound rolls of 1 for your mounts.
>Mor'phann
Add +3 to the number of models a Soul Render brings back. Spell (have to take) 6+, if successful pick an visible enemy in 12", they can only move 1" when they Pile In, and any ability that increase their Pile In move are ignored.
>Nautilar
Reroll failed hit rolls for Nautilar units that made a charge move in the same turn. Spell (have to take) 4+, if successful pick an visible Nautilar unit in 12", worsen the Rend of attacks against them by 1.
>Briomdar
Briomdar Soul Scryers can bring three units with them instead of two, and they can be placed wholly within 18" instead of 12", Briomdar units that cannot fly ignore terrain features as though they could fly, they still can't move over models.