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Pain4Pleasure wrote:

Jackal90 wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Sequencing doesnt apply, its not happening at the same time.

So when does it happen then?

Exactly, cause so far he is saying sequencing doesn’t happen so we can’t choose to shoot everything first, but he can choose to pop smoke first.. that’s sequencing.. and they can’t happen at the same time. Everything in 40k happens in “steps”

That's exactly where I was going with that bud.
He says sequencing doesn't exist but then created his own sequence of events.

Pakman184 wrote:

 doctortom wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Sequencing doesnt apply, its not happening at the same time.

How do you know? If he pops smoke because you're shooting at his unit, he certainly isn't popping it before he's targeted.

Assuming it's Player A's turn. If Player A targeted Player B's Rhino, and Player B wanted to pop smoke in response, Player A could decide that his shooting happens first because those two things would be happening at the same time.

However, Player B could use his Smoke Launchers at the start of The Shooting Phase and Player A could not decide to shoot first because activating his units to shoot with would be a separate action and would not occur at the same time.

Please can you provide the RAW that Player B's activities take place before Player A's selection of unit etc, repeate, it's still within the shooting phase, as the smokelauncher doesn't state it is a start of phase event, as RAI it's ment to replace the unit shooting in the owning players turn.

We’re really gonna ride this crazy train all the way, huh?

Pakman184 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
Context is RAI. Not RAW.

False.

The irony is that the whole concept of "Context" requires you to extrapolate outside of what's written, like, that's the whole point of referring to context.

So, quite literally, "Context" cannot be "Rules as Written" because the whole purpose is to understand something that isn't written.

This is not actually true. Written words have no meaning unless you read them in context. So context absolutely is a part of RAW.

That doesn't make just saying 'But context!' a rules argument, of course - the context you're trying to apply obviously has to fit with what is written. But what it does do is give you a framework to hang the words off when a given statement isn't clear on its own.


However, after five pages, this topic would seem to have covered any possible ground here. As always, if in doubt, discuss it with your opponent.