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The sad bit is the characters introduced in TLJ were actually worse than those introduced in TFA. The only thing they probably did right in TLJ is make Rey less of a mary sue to an extent. I did kind of wish they left the new characters on a planet somewhere and let TFA characters do their thing with the original series characters.

Rose saving Finn and preventing a heroic sacrifice should've wiped out the rest of the resistance in one go. That is how bad Rose's character is at that point. She is the Jar Jar binks of the current trilogy. I still feel bad for phasma. She is kind of the Boba Fett (the movie version) for the new trilogy. Boba Fett while looking cool didn't really do much in the original trilogy and I stand by that. I do feel bad for how they handled Finn. They also sort of crapped on Poe in TLJ. What bugs me is they recycled the romance between Han and Leia in Empire strikes back between him and Holdo and then immediately killed her off so we didn't get a chance to know more about Holdo or even care.

TLJ also let me down in several areas. The movie also feels all over the place. Luke throws away the lightsaber Rey gives him like it's a piece of trash. Rey wants to be trained and yet gets no training at all during any part of the movie. Rose comes off like a fan girl and a bit annoying but isn't awful till she prevents Finn's heroic sacrifice. The force projection leading to Luke's force death was dumb. It was almost cool until Luke force died. The Casino Planet Sub-plot sucked and ended up being pretty much worthless and a waste of our time. Not to mention in the original movie Lando's character had to betray Han because he was at gunpoint and they automatically rebelled when things went bad whereas the new guy they met in the jail cell in TLJ had no real attachment to the characters and only took them in to sell them out. Holdo's sacrifice also adds issues into space battles but i'd be willing to overlook some of that since it was an interesting idea that ends up making issues.

 Just Tony wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
I'm still confused about whether not liking Rose's character makes me racist or a misogynist...

Shame she wasn't lesbian. Then you could be hit with homophobia at the same time so as to unlock the trifecta achievement.

They could still make a character trans I suppose for some reason. I think Trans people are fine btw as well as gay people but replacing every character with girls and at times making them gay in every movie you make gets really obnoxious esp. when it's advertised like it's the greatest achievement in mankind's history. Just let the character do its job like supposedly the 3rd romance option in the updated Catherine game.

I think Captain Phasma is the Boba Fett of the new trilogy. A cool looking character with lots of potential used for comedic relief before meeting an early untimely end. At least Darth Maul got to shine for an hour or two before getting punked unlike Phasma.

 warboss wrote:
I think Captain Phasma is the Boba Fett of the new trilogy. A cool looking character with lots of potential used for comedic relief before meeting an early untimely end. At least Darth Maul got to shine for an hour or two before getting punked unlike Phasma.

indeed, I think the 'look look we got the big lass from Thrones in different shiny armour' seemed to be the main pushing point, Phasma might have some story in other materials but in the new movies she's just another dangerously inept mini-boss that makes you wonder how the FO came to power (and whilst we are on about folks failing, everybody (bar Rey cos reasons) fails on a scale I'm starting to think Rian was trying to slide his take on Dune past us)

Maybe everyone assumed since she was big she’d be a good fighter, like how tall kids are pushed towards basketball. Maybe she is just gifted at logistics, but the only opening for a promotion was detachment leader.

Janitorial logistic special forces get the special shiny armor?

I think you may have subverted expectations more than Rian Johnson with that!

I’m sure her troops were very excited to give her armor that made her stand out (and draw all the blaster fire).

Maybe it's made out of beskar. According to the Mandalorian, it's really shiny.

She must have sold out a lot of to get that much. (I assume that’s how you get beskar based on spoilers I’ve read. I’m not getting D+ until they put up the Ewok movies.)


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It might also explain her reputation. “She has 233 confirmed kills!” (Turns out they’re all [see spoiler]).

You'll cave as soon as they put up the Christmas Special. I can smell the Bea Arthur fans a mile away.


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Or... perhaps as head of Janitorial and Logistics Special Forces, she coordinated the recycling of the only other equally shiny object in canon... a Naboo spacecraft... and recycled the metal for her armor. Bringing order to the galaxy includes separating your waste.

It could be both. Janitorial and logistics experience would make her uniquely qualified to cross index shipments of condensed milk and Reese’s Pieces Powder with instances of stopped up diaper incinerator units. And then.... Boom! She earns another gauntlet of beskar recycled Naboonian garbage scow (nobody tell her!).


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And I do love Bea Arthur. If you threw a party and invited everyone she knew, you would see the biggest gift would be from me, and the card attached would say, “Return my calls, Bea!”

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I’m sure her troops were very excited to give her armor that made her stand out (and draw all the blaster fire).

I think it's a worse idea to have her in the middle of a bunch of troops with non-reflective armor. Can you imagine if her enemies shot her to reflect and kill all her stormtrooper buddies? I definitely wouldn't want to stand too near her.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

And I do love Bea Arthur. If you threw a party and invited everyone she knew, you would see the biggest gift would be from me, and the card attached would say, “Return my calls, Bea!”

That would be a helluva trick. But I suppose if the Emperor's corpse can be shamelessly trotted out again in 2019 then it would be sexist of me to deny the same indignity for a Golden Girl...

The sad thing is I get your reference warboss . Remember when robot chicken combined golden girls and sex in the city. Man that was a silly skit.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
It could be both. Janitorial and logistics experience would make her uniquely qualified to cross index shipments of condensed milk and Reese’s Pieces Powder with instances of stopped up diaper incinerator units. And then.... Boom! She earns another gauntlet of beskar recycled Naboonian garbage scow (nobody tell her!).


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And I do love Bea Arthur. If you threw a party and invited everyone she knew, you would see the biggest gift would be from me, and the card attached would say, “Return my calls, Bea!”

You want your mind blown? Look up pictures of her in the Marine Corps during WW2.

 warboss wrote:
Maybe it's made out of beskar. According to the Mandalorian, it's really shiny.

Nah, it's made out of the shiny metal the naboo cruisers and yachts were made out of. That sort of conspicuous "we have resources and we don't care" usage.

I forgot the exact story, but it’s made out of a specific Naboo cruiser related to Palpatine/Amadala/Someone important that she got for being super awesome iirc.

 Yodhrin wrote:


"a couple of idiots said something dumb on twitter"

Isn't that basically twitter in a nutshell?

 warboss wrote:
I think Captain Phasma is the Boba Fett of the new trilogy. A cool looking character with lots of potential used for comedic relief before meeting an early untimely end. At least Darth Maul got to shine for an hour or two before getting punked unlike Phasma.

Of all the things to be cut from TLJ, I'm baffled they cut her confrontation with Finn.

 LunarSol wrote:

 warboss wrote:
I think Captain Phasma is the Boba Fett of the new trilogy. A cool looking character with lots of potential used for comedic relief before meeting an early untimely end. At least Darth Maul got to shine for an hour or two before getting punked unlike Phasma.

Of all the things to be cut from TLJ, I'm baffled they cut her confrontation with Finn.

I didn't know they cut a scene like that. Despite it being on Netflix for many months/years, the new trilogy are the only Star Wars films that I have zero interest in rewatching after the first viewing. I rewatched Rogue One though once but not Solo. Yeah, I consider them both to be wasted characters through no fault of the actors. Finn could have finally done something meaningful in sacrificing himself to save what was left of the resistance but he was tico'ed out of that at the last second.

The reason the scene was cut is because it was something your average viewer might have expected, and we all know what Johnson thinks about expectations...

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 Yodhrin wrote:


"a couple of idiots said something dumb on twitter"

Isn't that basically twitter in a nutshell?

YES! Sadly this is the case. I actually managed to hate people I once respected due to Twitter. Never meet your heroes I guess.

A lot are ok but all Twitter people have varying degrees of stupid opinions.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

Bran Dawri wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:


"a couple of idiots said something dumb on twitter"

Isn't that basically twitter in a nutshell?

YES! Sadly this is the case. I actually managed to hate people I once respected due to Twitter. Never meet your heroes I guess.

A lot are ok but all Twitter people have varying degrees of stupid opinions.

While that's all true, in this case my emphasis was on the number rather than the content. As you say, idiocy is practically twitter's brand, but even if it weren't and racist idiots were extremely rare on the platform, literally a couple of them trying to organise a boycott that turned into a joke almost immediately isn't newsworthy by any sane definition(save perhaps for the "turned to a joke" part), nor remotely representative of the fanbase of whatever it was they wanted to boycott, yet it was made into news(and the "turned to a joke" part was frequently a below-the-fold afterthought - news writers are well aware that statistically most people don't read more than half an article, so in practice anything that appears more than halfway down is something the author either didn't consider important, or wanted to minimise because it derails the narrative they're establishing in the first part of the story), and in many articles the implication was certainly that this was an example of "the Fandom Menace" and a wider "toxic" fan problem.

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The Rolling Stone conducted an interview with Kathleen Kennedy.
https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/movie-features/lucasfilm-president-kathleen-kennedy-interview-rise-skywalker-future-star-wars-912393/

Personally I was upset (in unreasonable fan mode) about a couple things. At one point she complains about not having source material. And all I can do is scream in my head "BECUASE YOU THREW IT ALL IN THE TRASH!" But I realize that may have all been the Mouses's call and not hers.

And of course I still seriously dislike her for 'loving' what Rian Johnson did to Episode XIII.

What are your thoughts? And where the hell is my Bobba Fett movie?

My Disclaimer:

I like Star Wars. The Phantom Menace is still, in my mind, they best of the entire film series and one of my top 5 all time favorite movies.
However, I am first, and always will be first a Star Trek fan. They're two different universes, and that's perfectly fine.

Now, onto my comment.

These new movies have been very confusing for me. The Force Awakens was, while not the worst movie in the franchise, a dull and uninspired film. I actually saw Rouge One first, and it turns out that was really good for me because I hated Rey with a passion. Rouge One tells me why I hate Rey. It's because Jen was, and is a superior female character to Rey in every possible aspect. Going the full route, I actually hate Kylo even more. In honesty both characters seem like cookie-cutter characters, designed to be "hip" or "cool" for the sake of being one or the other.

The Last Jedi was painful, and is one of the very few movies I've ever walked out of a theater on. I ended up reading the synopsis afterwords and to this day I've still never actually seen the last 50 minutes of the film.

Having seen the trailers for The Rise of Skywalker, I can say, I've no hope or interest. I'll give it a try, but honestly, I'm not expecting much from it.

It really puzzles me how they could create Rouge One and The Mandelorian, and then feth everything else up so painfully bad? It's almost like watching some of the GW traffic accidents we see with specific factions sometimes.

Throwing out all of the source material was dumb. The moment I heard they were going to do that was the moment I knew this wasn't going to work out too well. I mean we are talking about the same company that has produced all the Marvel train wrecks (Not a comic fan, and I can't get the hype of those movies. Iron Man 1 was a fantastic fill. Literally everything that came after was mediocre at best. YMMV I guess.)

Boba Fet is another sticking point with me. I just ask "Why?" The Mandelorian is doing that way better which a way more interesting character. Boba Fett was a villain who died in RToJ. Leave him dead.

I'd like to see something, anything related to the Old Republic, before the events of The Phantom Menace. Another couple of good movies in the vain of Rouge One would also be great. There is a short film on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6GUxb0kCCAYoutube that in my opinion should be a full length feature film, sadly I doubt it will ever happen.

I've never walked out on a film. I came close with Robert Redford's Horse Whisperer but I was on a date in a very cramped and uncomfortable theatre. About half way through the movie I would have put the animal down myself given the chance just to have the credits roll.

I can say one good thing about the new Star Wars movies:

Vehicles, trooper designs, weapons, and locales- all of those things are superior to everything we got in the Prequels.

I personally love the designs of the Flametroopers, the Knights of Ren, and the Discount Crimson Guard. Even Rey's attire is actually... pretty good, aesthetically speaking.

It just goes to show you that terrible writing can make the best designs into something awful and make it forgettable.


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 Azreal13 wrote:
The reason the scene was cut is because it was something your average viewer might have expected, and we all know what Johnson thinks about expectations...

A rumor out there is that these movies are made with multiple, very different cuts. Not just 'recording different scenes for the movies at different times', but actually having about 5 different possibilities for what could happen in a segment, recording all of them, and then whichever one the test audience likes the most gets spliced in.

It almost sounds smart, but then you realize it creates a very disjointed and almost emotionless story as an end product, where something doesn't quite feel right when you watch it but you can't put your finger on it.

That's the rumor, don't know if true. Sounds like something modern Hollywood would do.

I rather liked the asthetics in the prequels myself in addition to the universe. Maul and his lightsaber, the battle droids (the look, not the acting!), starfighters, the Naboo starship designs, the clones and their equipment, starships from the Republic to the Trade Federation, and the various non-human species of Jedi. I think they did a good job adapting the world to a time before the OT. YMMV but I rather enjoyed the earlier universe the asthetics and charactes set up even if I disliked or was ambivalent towards individual plot points and lines of dialog. I am admittedly including the EU (comics, RPGs, novels, games, etc) in that though as I was big into that as well. The asthetics are the only thing that I can praise in the sequel Disney trilogy though and even that is somewhat faint. U-wing (technically not sequel but still Disney), the slightly adapted X-wing, the new stormtroopers (including Phasma)... that's about it.

You guys are missing out. Walking out of a film and demanding one’s money back is one of life’s most smugtacular pleasures. I’ll never forget the time my entire family, each less discerning from the last, united with purpose, walked out of The Life Aquatic as one. Truly, an unshakeable bond was formed that day.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
You guys are missing out. Walking out of a film and demanding one’s money back is one of life’s most smugtacular pleasures. I’ll never forget the time my entire family, each less discerning from the last, united with purpose, walked out of The Life Aquatic as one. Truly, an unshakeable bond was formed that day.

I did this with Freddy Got Fingered. I didn't ask for my money back, though. I felt like being optimistic over any "comedy" involving Tom Green was actually pretty stupid, and I deserved the obnoxious stupidity of the movie and the loss of a few bucks.

I don't know what happened to Tom Green. I won't say I hope he died, but I will say that I hope that if he did die- it hurt a LOT.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
You guys are missing out. Walking out of a film and demanding one’s money back is one of life’s most smugtacular pleasures. I’ll never forget the time my entire family, each less discerning from the last, united with purpose, walked out of The Life Aquatic as one. Truly, an unshakeable bond was formed that day.

I didn't even ask for my money back. I just left.

@Togusa: I don't think I've ever walked out of a film but I left confused and unsatisfied. It's shocking that movie was so long and filled us in on so little. Nothing felt like it mattered. Finn's sacrifice which was ruined by Rose should have destroyed the Resistance. The material was just recycled garbage for most of it regardless of what Rian Johnson might say. The only really unique moments were with rey and kylo's arc but even then that was sort of like the hallucination force tree/cave. I find it sad that somehow KotOR 1 showed us a more interesting story than TLJ. I honestly didn't know it was possible for someone to make a movie worse than probably all of the prequels but here we are.

It's really sad you know. Rogue One was good (or at least in my opinion). The Mandalorian sounds good too. TLJ ruined the trilogy though. I never watched game of thrones but i'm wondering if the ending to Game of Thrones was worse or better than TLJ. After hearing how good GoT was i'm wondering if the let-down hurt much more.

@Yodhrin: Funny how whenever I do have the misfortune to check twitter again it's usually about the stupidest things I see people complain about. For instance I follow cosplayers and 1 of 2 things I've heard whined about are complaints about lighter toned people cosplaying characters with darker skin tones or adding make-up to make your skin darker. An argument started by a privileged white city girl because of course it is. The next issue was a german cosplayer telling people not to wear Nazi outfits even if they're cosplaying characters from games, anime or movies. Sadly I saw a fan not fully agree with said cosplayer and her cosplayer friend and he was hurled insults. I was so disgusted by this exchange that I unfollowed. Keep in mind i'm Jewish by blood (which is even more insulting a german girl tells me and others what to do) and if somebody wants to dress up as a character from Wolfenstein, Indiana Jones or that loli girl in that one anime (which I heard was actually WWI) then it is fine by me. I had the misfortune to live with a self-proclaimed neo-Nazi for 1-2 years so somebody play acting or assuming the role of a character is absolutely fine. Also if WWII games where you played axis or allies made Nazis then the early 2000's would've made so many neo-Nazis with how much WWII games were the hottest thing of the time. I was honestly more bored of the setting and how saturated the market was with WWII games.

Anyway I apologize for the off-topic rant but Twitter (and also the news) boils my piss.