roboemperor wrote:
LordOfWar wrote:Wackiness. I think I mentioned an "all drone army" conversion previously, did I not? Google "tau all drone army" and see something awesome.
When you said this i considered an necron army consisting solely of canoptek arcanthrite, tomb stalkers, tomb sentinels, and seraptek heavy constructs.
LordOfWar wrote:I still think your hang up with tyranids "not using 100%" of all matter is pretty bonkers, though. A cut off planetary assault force not having the capabilities of what their biofleets can do doesnt exactly prove anything against them. Especially with there being no proof other races -can- use 100% of all mass in the galaxy.
Also, one quick google search shows wraithbone isn't made from nothing, but its solidified warp power that has to be harvested from the warp. So they're taking the same stuff daemons are made out of, making it look pretty, and forming it into psychic living metal that can sort of heal and grow because it's practically alive.
Oh well. Regardless of minor minutia and accuracy, good job picking a team. Hopefully you actually get into the hobby proper someday.
Yeah we're gonna have to agree to disagree at this point.
Necrons capture entire suns and utilize its full energy for weaponry and power. And Crypteks can travel back in time and turn anything into anything. I have no idea what your'e saying with treating things vaguely and how that undermines directly stated lore, but w.e. agree to disagree. And Tau are well on their way to necron's level of tech. They're already learning how to blow up stars.
Yeah, unless you find a citation stating something specific like "turning anything into anything", it's just your own opinion on it, and not directly stated lore. That's why its vague. It just says "some can turn foes into liquid adamantium" with zero specifics on the conditions of how they do it. I previously gave an example of a type of foe who's regular protective gear is literally made of adamantium. So stating a vague feat with no specifics can be fulfilled by simply annihilating flesh and weaker material and turning the adamantium of the armor to liquid. Boom. Accomplished. And nothing says thats not the how or why that feat is claimed. Because its vague and non specific. You're the one adding the "anything" part of that. The other things crypteks can do, so can other races.
Human psykers of the navigator caste can also time travel as well. Using their psychic abilities to peer into alternate timelines, they just jump to a timeline where instead of going down a path where an ambush was waiting, they took the other road instead. Or can look through the warp and find a route to send their ship to so they arrive before they even left. And they do that with just their minds. Some orks using their weird boys and big meks can also create anomalies in time and travel through them as well. And no one time travels like the chaos forces. But if the necrons had limitless time travel to go back and change anything they want, they'd have won the war in heaven. Which means theres some limitation on their abilities, just like every other race.
Also, I looked into the necrons using stars as fuel for weapons and it's just them funneling energy from the c'tan (as usual, due to the c'tan eating stars) to make a huge plasma reactor who's output is the same rate as a solar flare. They don't even seem to use the entire star. Theres nothing I found saying they destroy or use it all up in the process. Or even something saying they capture a star and take it with them. They make these weapons with the specific target being enemy titans. You think with using a star for power, you would at least get some return big enough to crack a whole planet open, but it doesnt seem so. I think it's the same writing flourish that claims plasma pistols use the wrath and fury/power of a small star and such. Or how by sheer temperature, a bolt of lightning is actually hotter than the surface of the sun. It's just a giant necron plasma cannon.
Even necron world engines dont flaunt planet cracking power, simply having guns enough to strip a planet of all life, and cracking ships in half. Whereas the old ones had Blackstone fortresses capable of destroying entire star systems.
My point being that there isn't a race who can do everything in the setting. Necrons, eldar, orks and the old ones were all fighting back before humanity was big. Technology was crazy. Necrons are probably tied with mechanicus and eldar for most advanced race. (Theres things the mechanicus have that would make a cryptek blush and an ork sell all of his teef just to see) and in certain ways, they are the most advanced race in the setting. And in certain ways, the tyranids are the most advanced race. Ditto for tau. And eldar. And even the orks can turn scrap into star fleets. There isn't really a "best" faction. Just a "best at..." ...mostly because the old ones are extinct, really.
Also, I'm pretty sure you can search google and find some cool scarab army conversions for some necron armies. Kitbashing can get truly insane when people are passionate enough about it. Anyways, sorry if I seem like I'm ranting, I just play A LOT of games with very precise rules and lore, and I just feel compelled to find out and explore specifics about statements to get the best possibly accuracy.
