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I'm sure I read of them orbiting suns and such but it might have been in an old codex or even a white dwarf issue; it might even have been on something like the 4Chan wiki for 40K.

In the end if you're after an iron tight lore system then honestly I'd say go play Middle Earth - because you won't get a lore deeper nor more set in stone then forged in iron than Middleearth. Any living lore constructed by multiple authors is going to have issues; esp when its tied ti a living product line that evolves and changes through time.



It just seems that in a hobby where most of your time is spend building and painting and playing with models you're focusing on the lore. That's not bad, but you seem to be fixating on it a lot more than average. It might even be that you'd be happier buying and reading BL books for a good while as it seems that lore is very important to you almost more than the models and performance of the army.

 Overread wrote:
I'm sure I read of them orbiting suns and such but it might have been in an old codex or even a white dwarf issue; it might even have been on something like the 4Chan wiki for 40K.

In the end if you're after an iron tight lore system then honestly I'd say go play Middle Earth - because you won't get a lore deeper nor more set in stone then forged in iron than Middleearth. Any living lore constructed by multiple authors is going to have issues; esp when its tied ti a living product line that evolves and changes through time.



It just seems that in a hobby where most of your time is spend building and painting and playing with models you're focusing on the lore. That's not bad, but you seem to be fixating on it a lot more than average. It might even be that you'd be happier buying and reading BL books for a good while as it seems that lore is very important to you almost more than the models and performance of the army.

Quoted for accuracy. 40k lore is intentionally left open in some parts and even without the models, not all writers have the same vision on what the rules of the universe are.
And then there is the need to drive sales and re-inventing the wheels that has an effect on lore whether you like it or not. Personally I love the universe, but I do pick my lore as I like it.
There are many aspects of the lore that I don't like but because it is such a vast universe and time frame, you can somewhat pick and choose.
Not to mention that not all the lore you see is factual, if anything, very little actually is. The vast majority of lore is told through in universe means such as remembrancers and what have you.

In that sense 40k lore is a game of telephone and you never truly know what actually happened.
If you need strict fixed lore, then 40k lore is pretty much the polar opposite.

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You have to consider that hivefleets are a minuscule part of the tyranid threat.They're the first ones into the fray, probing the galaxy and stuff. They only need enough sustenance to keep going. The objective is not to devour everything. That comes afterwards with the tendrils and whatever horror follows that.

They're essentially scouting.
The 99,99% figure is way too speculative. This is one galaxy, that they are slowly closing in on.
Emperor only knows what happened to the other galaxies they have devoured.

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I mean, Necrons are the obvious choice for you, and, with a little bit of green stuff in the right places, they could be pretty sexy too.

roboemperor wrote:
Imperium of Man
Hell NO. End of discussion

Your kneecapping yourself with this, some of the best lore comes from the Grey Knight and Legio Custodes.
Also, you know, heretic BURN HIM in the righteous fire of my indignation!

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Rainbow Warriors.

 Strg Alt wrote:
Rainbow Warriors.

I support all LGBT pride factions


(I still can't believe this thread is about choosing an army for videogames)

Rainbow warriors have nothing to do with LGBT, they're a different kind of rainbow

 Roknar wrote:
Rainbow warriors have nothing to do with LGBT, they're a different kind of rainbow

I know. They were the sort of Aztec-flavoured ones from the rogue trader days who got axed early on, yeah?

But the guy who mentioned them was clearly doing so in a jokey way, so I'm having a bit of fun too (though I definitely hope it's clear I mean "I think these paint schemes are funny, fun, and charming", not "haha look how awful this is, let's mock it" or "let's have a super-serious political discussion about LGBT rights")

I mean, this isn't a super serious thread at this point, right? We're allowed to have a bit of fun and make little non-serious humorous posts?

I know. They were the sort of Aztec-flavoured ones from the rogue trader days who got axed early on, yeah?

Not really, no.

Wait, WAIT! You can play as Greenpeace in 40k??? Daaaaamn, The Adeptus Mechanicus and Ordo Xenos must HATE those guys!

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Rainbow_Warriors

nataliereed1984 wrote:

 Roknar wrote:
Rainbow warriors have nothing to do with LGBT, they're a different kind of rainbow

I know. They were the sort of Aztec-flavoured ones from the rogue trader days who got axed early on, yeah?

But the guy who mentioned them was clearly doing so in a jokey way, so I'm having a bit of fun too (though I definitely hope it's clear I mean "I think these paint schemes are funny, fun, and charming", not "haha look how awful this is, let's mock it" or "let's have a super-serious political discussion about LGBT rights")

I mean, this isn't a super serious thread at this point, right? We're allowed to have a bit of fun and make little non-serious humorous posts?

Sure, I was just putting it out there that they are an actual chapter for those who aren't aware.

 Roknar wrote:

nataliereed1984 wrote:

 Roknar wrote:
Rainbow warriors have nothing to do with LGBT, they're a different kind of rainbow

I know. They were the sort of Aztec-flavoured ones from the rogue trader days who got axed early on, yeah?

But the guy who mentioned them was clearly doing so in a jokey way, so I'm having a bit of fun too (though I definitely hope it's clear I mean "I think these paint schemes are funny, fun, and charming", not "haha look how awful this is, let's mock it" or "let's have a super-serious political discussion about LGBT rights")

I mean, this isn't a super serious thread at this point, right? We're allowed to have a bit of fun and make little non-serious humorous posts?

Sure, I was just putting it out there that they are an actual chapter for those who aren't aware.

Oh, okay!

No worries.

nataliereed1984 wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
Rainbow Warriors.

I support all LGBT pride factions


(I still can't believe this thread is about choosing an army for videogames)

it's actually worse. the thread is apparently about choosing a faction for online sci-fi debates.

BrianDavion wrote:

nataliereed1984 wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
Rainbow Warriors.

I support all LGBT pride factions


(I still can't believe this thread is about choosing an army for videogames)

it's actually worse. the thread is apparently about choosing a faction for online sci-fi debates.

Ohhhhh Throne....

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Roboemperor,

Respectfully (honest), please bear in mind that you're in a forum where virtually EVERYONE has made a "what faction to choose?" decision where the stakes of that decision was literally hundreds and hundreds of dollars worth of financial investment, and hundreds and hundreds of hours worth of skilled labour investment.

For us, the question of what faction to commit to is a BIG FETHING THING with real world consequences. You can't just delete and start over on $450 worth of models and 4 months worth of intense work if you find out Thousand Sons aren't really working for you. So when we see someone asking what faction to go with, we expect it's got a similar weight.

Take that, and add in the intense seriousness with which you seem to be taking the question?

AND the way your weirdly specific desires for an ideal faction seem contradictory to the entire spirit of the setting and its story? Like "no stagnation", "no stupidity", "no gore", or "I want an autocratic, technologically advanced AI controlling sexy puppet drones"?

When I said "Go play Aleph in Infinity", it wasn't just to be snarky, it was because I was still under the mistaken impression you were interested in miniatures wargaming, which you made zero effort to dispel, and I genuinely thought you'd enjoy it better (despite my snarky phrasing)

AND THEN finding out it's just for a video game, and you're not investing ANYTHING in this choice that could AT ALL be considered a serious loss!?

And you didn't even think to make that apparent upfront!?

YEAH, yeah that's gonna seem a LITTLE insulting and ridiculous to 40k players! So YEAH, we're going to tease you a bit! Honestly, everyone here has been INCREDIBLY gentle, friendly, and good-natured towards you, given the context of what you've been asking!

especially as video games are gonna be limited in your options, you can love necrons to bits all you want but if you're playing Eternal crusade? Yeaaah you're SOL.

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honestly, there's no reason to focus on a single faction for video games, in dawn of war, and just about any other 40k game out there I play to a degree all the factions in it. sometimes those games end up selling me ON a faction. I'll happily note that many of my 40k armies can be directly attributed to their presentation in various video games selling me on that. There's no reason to commit to a faction if you don't have to. even people who play various armies in table top, are often fans of other armies. I'd for example call myself a 1 thousand sons fan, I don't have a 1k sons army (assuming infanite time, infinate resources and infinate storage space I'd love to start one) but that wou;dn't take away from me happily playing a game focused around them. a video game is 80 bucks and a few gigs of hard drive space. less of a sacrifice then 800 bucks and a display cabinet.

If you like 40k, (and to be hoenst I'm not convinced the OP does) there's no reason to limit yourself for video games

roboemperor wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Ah well yes races can build space ships. What I meant is they can't make a planet into a spaceship.



Tyranids are getting close though, they've built a planet sized organic construction which, at present, is seen to project a huge Shadow into the Warp which blocks the demons around it. However other than that its not done anything yet, so we've no idea what its real and full purpose is.

Indeed barring the organic aspect, Tyranids fully embody the ideal of a single minded race controlled by a greater mind. Even if that mind is formed by the unity of the countless numbers of the swarm that comprises it.

The thing I don't get about nids is that where the hell are they getting all that biomass?

If they ate rocks minerals and turned it into biomass I'd understand. But I read that planets they leave behind are in fact fully intact planets with just all life on the surface exterminated. And life on a planet is extremely rare. So if Nids leave asteroids, moons, and planets alone, and only increase mass by consuming planets with life, and they continually lose mass because you need to burn a bajillion calories to keep a single nid alive and moving, how the hell are they so big, numerous and capable of building bioplanets?

They ingest all material deep inside the planet via capillary towers. Apperantly, they dont completley eradicate everything on a planet so that they could comeback for another plate when life eventually starts to grow again. Its actually pretty logical, but it makes thrm seem a lot less scary

123ply wrote:

roboemperor wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Ah well yes races can build space ships. What I meant is they can't make a planet into a spaceship.



Tyranids are getting close though, they've built a planet sized organic construction which, at present, is seen to project a huge Shadow into the Warp which blocks the demons around it. However other than that its not done anything yet, so we've no idea what its real and full purpose is.

Indeed barring the organic aspect, Tyranids fully embody the ideal of a single minded race controlled by a greater mind. Even if that mind is formed by the unity of the countless numbers of the swarm that comprises it.

The thing I don't get about nids is that where the hell are they getting all that biomass?

If they ate rocks minerals and turned it into biomass I'd understand. But I read that planets they leave behind are in fact fully intact planets with just all life on the surface exterminated. And life on a planet is extremely rare. So if Nids leave asteroids, moons, and planets alone, and only increase mass by consuming planets with life, and they continually lose mass because you need to burn a bajillion calories to keep a single nid alive and moving, how the hell are they so big, numerous and capable of building bioplanets?

They ingest all material deep inside the planet via capillary towers. Apperantly, they dont completley eradicate everything on a planet so that they could comeback for another plate when life eventually starts to grow again. Its actually pretty logical, but it makes thrm seem a lot less scary

Intergalactic scale farmers are an army I can get behind. I mean more so than I already am.

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roboemperor wrote:


I like sci-fi
I like orks as an enemy and I think WH40K's orks are the best incarnation of orks in all of fiction. Warcraft's being the absolute worst.
I like chaos as an enemy. Not even d&d has demon stuff as intense and fully fleshed out as chaos
I like battle of different techs. Each faction's full unit list has their own unique tech style that isn't just a dumb clone of each other.
I like difference of tech. Such as a high-tech titan slaughtering masses of low-tech savages. Tyranid as a whole feels like one giant high tech weapon. Necrons feel like they are only fighting savages due to them being too advanced technologically.
I like power armor. A lot. Reason I played Fallout 4 was for the power armor.
I like dakka. I love dakka. High-tech dakka not ork dakka. WH40K is the dakkaest franchise in all of fiction. I only build range units in every video game i play.
I like Zerg, but SC2 ruined the entire franchise. Absolutely ****ing ruined it. SC2 induced an entire genre change from sci-fi to pure fantasy and proved without a doubt that starcraft is nothing but a WH40K ripoff. I mean CHAOS was in STARCRAFT in the form of "god" xelnaga and corrupted marines.
WH40K however seems to be the progenitor of Starcraft and Tyranids are the progenitors of Zerg. And the original is always better than the ripoff.

Some things worth thinking about, and that are part of why some of us are thinking this isn't the ideal franchise for you…

Firstly, 40k isn't exactly sci-fi. It's more of a horror / satire that wears the trappings of sci-fi and fantasy. Look at the 30 years worth of art… you're not seeing technology and aliens and robots, you're seeing weird gothic medieval stuff, renaissance and baroque Catholic aesthetics, visual signifiers of World War 1 and 2 and the movies about them, Tolkien-esque fantasy ideas (like orcs and elves), easily recognizable pop sci-fi concepts (like Aliens, Starhip Troopers, Terminator and Judge Dredd), Cold War era bleak resignation, and a whole lot of hilariously over-the-top misery and gallows-humour, all mashed together into a weird cynical horrific soup.

This especially becomes a concern given that you imply

a) You said you don't like stagnation- EVERYONE in 40k is stagnating, except maybe the T'au and the Tyranids. It's part of the whole mentality of the setting.

b) You seem to dislike fantasy, and prefer hard sci-fi. 40k is about as fantasy as a setting set in outer space can possibly get. They literally use *magic* to achieve FTL travel, for crying out loud!

c) "The original is always better than the ripoff" - Well, I've got bad news for you about Chaos (Michael Moorcock), Tyranids (Aliens), Necrons (Terminator), Space Marines (Starship Troopers), Adeptus Arbites (Judge Dredd), Orks and Eldar (Tolkien), etc etc etc

d) You said you don't like gore - This is about as brutally ultraviolent and over-the-top a setting as you can get.

e) You like darkness - the grimdark in 40k is REALLY not meant to be taken seriously. It's not a Zack Snyder movie. Despite ironically coining the term "grimdark", the sort of super-duper serious, intense things with which the term is usually associated, and which often seem to think being dark and violent and inappropriate-for-children is somehow a one-to-one substitute for maturity and sophistication, are very very different in tone to 40k. 40k was, if anything, mocking and deconstructing the ultraviolence of other games and genre fiction in the 1980s, by "turning it up to 11" with a heavy dose of maximalism, and a willingness to follow the implications of militarism and violent solutions all the way through to their most horrific conclusions.

I mean, I could definitely go on, but… it's Christmas Eve and I'm fitting to get drunk on egg nog, eat cookies, and watch some sappy Holiday specials.

Look, you're welcome to like it. Obviously it would be silly for me to say "actually you hate this thing that you say you like". And you're welcome to be really intense about choosing a faction for videogames (even if I find that really bizarre). I'll even grant that maybe you just plain don't understand how it's stepping on the toes of 40k tabletop players to be taking this so seriously when the stakes are so comparably small, and not bothering to tell us what you were actually asking about. But, thing is, you came here asking for people's opinions and advice, so… we're providing them.

Anyway, Merry Christmas, happy holidays, happy new year, etc.

I'd also like to throw in a question here..
What's with the concern about 'nids using 99.whatever percent of available mass? No other army does this either. Necron C'tan literally used to eat stars (and now souls) but dont eat planets whole. I'm a little confused as to why that's even a concern.

Also, theres hinted evidence about tyranids having previously visited the galaxy before with how genestealers were proven to be nid strains, as well as belief from mechanicus magos biologis that superfauna found on deathworlds may have evolved from nid genetics, like the catachan devil, or the fenrisian kraken.

And all a planet needs to eventually house life again is to be a proper distance from its star, and hydrogen on it. (Pretty sure hydrogen is literally the most common thing in the universe,
too.) Stray asteroids have been proven to seed bacteria and other life forming conditions on planets that may not have had enough of those to start life on it's own, but otherwise, it's just a matter of time.

Also, also..
Khorne doesnt hate warpsmiths at all. Binding daemons can be done alone. It's just not time efficient unless you have a pretty automated system already set up. And psykers typically have an easier time reaching into the warp to snatch the psychic essence that makes up daemons to shove them into their metal housing. But they're not nessisarily required to summon daemons. And fluff supports this.

Theres an entire legion of space marines (the brazen beasts) wholly dedicated to khorne and who's fluff highly prioritizes daemon engine use. Theres pretty cool stories about them in vigilus ablaze. The 7th edition khorne daemonkin codex is also a vast wealth of summoning daemons and making daemon engines, too.

Sorry if I'm bringing up old points. I've just read a lot of nid and chaos fluff. And I'm a chaos player. (Started playing with khorne daemonkin, loved them. Want them back.)

I do agree with mostly everyone else here that it seems like you just want a "your dudes" necron faction, though. I do think with this level of detail you're going after here, you should probably give playing the table top game a try. It's fun. And you can really delve into the kitbashing aspect to really make your army feel like everything you want from it.

Theres plenty of people on this site with their painting and modeling blogs that have such amazing ideas it's crazy. I personally like following krautscientists eternal hunt and mcgibbs bloody beasties, myself. But I've also seen the tau "all drone" army and it was amazing. Plenty of ways to take a faction you may like an aesthetic of, and make up your own fluff and kitbashed appearances with to fit how you want and truly make them "your dudes".

Good luck with figuring out your preferred faction, though.

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Being viciously defensive and insecure when people are trying to calmly explain their PoV, give you sincere input and exactly the kind of help you're looking for, bury the hatchet, and wish you a happy holiday is really not very endearing, kid.

Bye.