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Then they need to add some more Space Marines. A good few days will have passed since the last release and we will all be in withdrawal, shaking in our seats, sweating and rocking back and forth without our hourly imperium shot.


Still anxiously awaiting Primaris with tea trollies!

Whenever they keep banging on about Marines being the poster boys, and the only thing that sells 40K, I can't help but think of Gandalf telling Bilbo "I think you've had that ring quite long enough."

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SamusDrake wrote:
Sumilidon wrote:


Then they need to add some more Space Marines. A good few days will have passed since the last release and we will all be in withdrawal, shaking in our seats, sweating and rocking back and forth without our hourly imperium shot.


Still anxiously awaiting Primaris with tea trollies!

Whenever they keep banging on about Marines being the poster boys, and the only thing that sells 40K, I can't help but think of Gandalf telling Bilbo "I think you've had that ring quite long enough."


Does that make Xenos players the Sacksville-Bagginses (who where perpetually pissed Bilbo didn't die so they could get the bloody house) ?


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Does that make Xenos players the Sacksville-Bagginses (who where perpetually pissed Bilbo didn't die so they could get the bloody house) ?





But he has so much and practically lives on his own! What's Frodo going to do with it all? His own flesh and blood should share in his good fortune! And so should we!

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BrianDavion wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
Sumilidon wrote:


Then they need to add some more Space Marines. A good few days will have passed since the last release and we will all be in withdrawal, shaking in our seats, sweating and rocking back and forth without our hourly imperium shot.


Still anxiously awaiting Primaris with tea trollies!

Whenever they keep banging on about Marines being the poster boys, and the only thing that sells 40K, I can't help but think of Gandalf telling Bilbo "I think you've had that ring quite long enough."


Does that make Xenos players the Sacksville-Bagginses (who where perpetually pissed Bilbo didn't die so they could get the bloody house) ?



That's just..... mean to Xeno players........ They're more like Pippin- laughed at and underestimated 'til he saves the day.
   
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Imperial Guard desperately needs more regimental options in their kits. While some people are screaming about Finecast, at least there's Finecast as an option rather than having entire regiments completely discontinued.

After that give Aeldari players their plastic kits, I suppose.

Then Orks could probably use an update? Sure.

I wouldn't mind seeing Chaos Marines get different options for things like Chosen, and the specialized Legions like Emperor's Children and the like.

When it comes to Tau, GW should just make more Space Marines instead- just to spite Tau players for all the trash-talking in 7th Edition.

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 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Imperial Guard desperately needs more regimental options in their kits. While some people are screaming about Finecast, at least there's Finecast as an option rather than having entire regiments completely discontinued.

After that give Aeldari players their plastic kits, I suppose.

Then Orks could probably use an update? Sure.

I wouldn't mind seeing Chaos Marines get different options for things like Chosen, and the specialized Legions like Emperor's Children and the like.

When it comes to Tau, GW should just make more Space Marines instead- just to spite Tau players for all the trash-talking in 7th Edition.


I keep seeing Guards clamoring for new regiments models but i just don't get it. Theyre the only army where people keep asking for subfaction-specific models.
Apart from conversion kits, no other army has ways to represent their various subfactions other than converting/paintjob. Why would guard be any different?

If you absolutely want to represent your Valhallan/Steel legion/Vostroyan, theres plenty of 3rd party options.

I do agree however that the basic cadian kit is pretty dated and that they look goofy as hell with their bobbleheads.

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 VladimirHerzog wrote:
Apart from conversion kits, no other army has ways to represent their various subfactions other than converting/paintjob. Why would guard be any different?


Because they actually have radically different cosmetic differences in the subfactions?

Also- Astartes do have conversion kits for their subfactions.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
If you absolutely want to represent your Valhallan/Steel legion/Vostroyan, theres plenty of 3rd party options.


Not that I ever set foot in an actual GW establishment, but if I ever sustained a head injury and wanted to- they'd not allow me to bring in those 3rd party models. I can make the same argument for Aeldari models, Artel W has vastly superior versions of a lot of Aeldari units. If we're going to make the third party argument? Yeah, sure- I can make a 100% third-party army. A lot of factions can. That's not the point.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
I do agree however that the basic cadian kit is pretty dated and that they look goofy as hell with their bobbleheads.


It's certainly outdated. I've been saying that the solution is to make more modular kits with more options- or at least upgrade kits for a new sprue. As it stands, you can't even get shotguns for Guard Veterans.

And the $40 price tag on a box of 5 scions is an absolute joke. And IMHO, they're inferior to the classic Storm Troopers.

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 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
 VladimirHerzog wrote:
Apart from conversion kits, no other army has ways to represent their various subfactions other than converting/paintjob. Why would guard be any different?


Because they actually have radically different cosmetic differences in the subfactions?

Which mean nothing gamewise, and is the whole reason why I've been so annoyingly insistent that if GW does anything big for the Regimental subfactions it needs to be accompanied by rules to differentiate things.

Also- Astartes do have conversion kits for their subfactions.

Oh please. It's shoulderpads, some heads, and a special gun. That's wildly different from what would be required to turn a Cadian into a Tallarn.
These are not and have not been the olden days where Cadians looked like this:
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 VladimirHerzog wrote:
I do agree however that the basic cadian kit is pretty dated and that they look goofy as hell with their bobbleheads.


It's certainly outdated. I've been saying that the solution is to make more modular kits with more options- or at least upgrade kits for a new sprue. As it stands, you can't even get shotguns for Guard Veterans.

You could up until a few years ago, but it was via FW.

Most people have been saying that any future Guard kits need new weapon options to be present--simply having flamer and grenade launcher isn't acceptable by any stretch of the imagination. Anything beyond that though decreases either the number of models in the box or the quality of options for the unit in question.

One of the big things I keep crusading for is different weapon options for the different 'archetypes' of Guard Infantry Squads, giving each Regiment and their associated units a more unique playstyle/aesthetic.

And the $40 price tag on a box of 5 scions is an absolute joke. And IMHO, they're inferior to the classic Storm Troopers.

The 'classic' Stormtroopers look like they belong in some bad 80s scifi. The Scions are a much, much better aesthetic--although the price is crap.

With that said, the Start Collecting for them is an absurdly good value because of it.
   
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Just to make myself clear: I am not against the idea of GW giving you guys Regiment-specific models, i was just wondering why Guard was the only faction i saw it asked for so much.

Take admech for example : Each cohort has different types of skitarii in the fluff, with looks that vary quite a bit from one another (the only common ground being the use of bionics and the color red). Stygies and Mars have very different descriptions for their skitarii, with Stygies ones using much more Xenotech.

Don't take it bad but i'd much rather see all metal and finecast models be done before giving guard a remake for a plastic kit.

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Right behind you.

I'd be interested to see where that 'different types of Skitarii' bit comes from...Stygies' Skitarii are specifically called out as ditching their black robes to blend in/obfuscate themselves as Martian when the circumstances dictate it. There's a mention about how Skitarii might be made up of different components from different worlds, but the end result is supposed to be the same or at least functionally the same.

The Xenarite Cult is more of a Techpriest thing than a Skitarii thing. And even then, it's heavily implied that they're not just doing things like grafting Necron bits to them--they're reverse-engineering it or taking bits of xenotech to blend it with Imperial kit.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
I'd be interested to see where that 'different types of Skitarii' bit comes from...Stygies' Skitarii are specifically called out as ditching their black robes to blend in/obfuscate themselves as Martian when the circumstances dictate it. There's a mention about how Skitarii might be made up of different components from different worlds, but the end result is supposed to be the same or at least functionally the same.

The Xenarite Cult is more of a Techpriest thing than a Skitarii thing. And even then, it's heavily implied that they're not just doing things like grafting Necron bits to them--they're reverse-engineering it or taking bits of xenotech to blend it with Imperial kit.


Well yes, they can disguise themselves. In the codex it talks about how every Cohort has their own types of skitariis, stygies having more sneaky designs with some xenotech implemented in them (something as basic as a green-glowing powersword instead of a blue-glowing one). On the tabletop we only get Marsian skitarii.

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I don't play Eldar, and I don't even really like them that much, but even I think new Aspect Warriors should be prioritized for new kits.
   
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 CommanderWalrus wrote:
I don't play Eldar, and I don't even really like them that much, but even I think new Aspect Warriors should be prioritized for new kits.


The fact that they still have finecast models made from metal molds from 1993 says a lot.

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 VladimirHerzog wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
I'd be interested to see where that 'different types of Skitarii' bit comes from...Stygies' Skitarii are specifically called out as ditching their black robes to blend in/obfuscate themselves as Martian when the circumstances dictate it. There's a mention about how Skitarii might be made up of different components from different worlds, but the end result is supposed to be the same or at least functionally the same.

The Xenarite Cult is more of a Techpriest thing than a Skitarii thing. And even then, it's heavily implied that they're not just doing things like grafting Necron bits to them--they're reverse-engineering it or taking bits of xenotech to blend it with Imperial kit.


Well yes, they can disguise themselves. In the codex it talks about how every Cohort has their own types of skitariis, stygies having more sneaky designs with some xenotech implemented in them (something as basic as a green-glowing powersword instead of a blue-glowing one). On the tabletop we only get Marsian skitarii.

Mind throwing some page numbers out there? Only mention I can find of any real difference is regarding the 'stealth screens and auspex-befouling technologies to confound their enemies and obscure their presence and mission'(p18).

Only real mentions I've got with regards to the whole 'how every Cohort has their own types of Skitarii' is more about the Specialist Cohorts being built around specific concepts--Infiltration Clades, Rad-Zone Corps, Armoured Cadres, etc.

I'd really be interested in reading this stuff as Stygies is my jam and I don't recognize any of that stuff outside of the Mechanicus game(which has you playing as Mars).
   
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A new asrta militarium vehical line would be great too.


What would you be looking for? Are you thinking revamps of existing models, or actual never-before-seen, new vehicles?

New existing models. LR third hand models really look so much better. Time for model updates. Their super heavies are fine. Chimera and LR and Artillery's chassis need to be updated.

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 VladimirHerzog wrote:
I keep seeing Guards clamoring for new regiments models but i just don't get it. Theyre the only army where people keep asking for subfaction-specific models.


I'll take "25 years of having models to represent the Regiments, combined with sub-faction rules which revolve around these different sculpts" for $500, please, Alex.

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 Dysartes wrote:
 VladimirHerzog wrote:
I keep seeing Guards clamoring for new regiments models but i just don't get it. Theyre the only army where people keep asking for subfaction-specific models.


I'll take "25 years of having models to represent the Regiments, combined with sub-faction rules which revolve around these different sculpts" for $500, please, Alex.

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 Kanluwen wrote:



And the $40 price tag on a box of 5 scions is an absolute joke. And IMHO, they're inferior to the classic Storm Troopers.

The 'classic' Stormtroopers look like they belong in some bad 80s scifi. The Scions are a much, much better aesthetic--although the price is crap.

With that said, the Start Collecting for them is an absurdly good value because of it.


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Was it really as long as 25 years since we've been able to get the likes of Mordians, Valhallans and Tallarn...?
The thing is, back when the different Guard regiments were commonplace, they really were all the same rules-wise - with any differences manifesting in their special characters, and nowhere else. But that was before the game had army-wide special rules for every faction, let alone stratagems.

I guess what I'm saying is, different regiment models and rules to support them would be the best way to update the Guard - but let's not pretend it's returning them to some former glory, through rose-tinted glasses. Instead it's a much needed improvement to bring them up to speed with the game that left them behind.

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Considering the special edition guard characters, and recently updating the Sisters of Battle - and even the Skitarii dudes - then it seems the Imperial Guard would be up next.

And lets face it; Ghaz's real nemesis is Yarrick. Its violating tradition if they don't come as a pair...

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New existing models. LR third hand models really look so much better. Time for model updates. Their super heavies are fine. Chimera and LR and Artillery's chassis need to be updated.


I could see that. I do still like all of those, but when you compare them to the newer stuff, I think they're just starting to skew a bit "cartoony" to my eye.

I keep seeing Guards clamoring for new regiments models but i just don't get it. Theyre the only army where people keep asking for subfaction-specific models.
Apart from conversion kits, no other army has ways to represent their various subfactions other than converting/paintjob. Why would guard be any different?


It's how they've been set up in the fluff. Space Marines all wear power armor. So what's the visual difference between a Flesh Tearer and a Ultramarine? "This one is blue". Tau Fire Warriors all have the same uniform regardless of sept, so what's the difference between a Tau Sept FW and a Farsight Conclave FW? "This one is red".

IG were set up form the start to represent the home worlds they came from. So it was "what's the difference between this Catachan and this Vostroyan?" "Well, this one comes from a jungle death world where it's never cooler than 102F and the humidity is always at least 120%, while THAT one comes from a Ice World that's constantly snow covered and always well below freezing." So naturally, the uniforms would be different, and you would use each regiment to the environment for which it was best suited. Cadians becoming the unofficial de-facto standard aside, IG have never had an official "one size fits all" uniform like all the other races/factions. I sometimes wonder if GW now regrets setting it up like that ...

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The T'au Empire could use a revamp for the auxiliaries (Kroot Carnivores/Shaper, Kroot Hounds, Krootox, Vespid), and maybe new XV-25 suits.

The rest of our kits seem just fine, though I wish we got more CIB and AFP in plastic for Crisis Suits.

All of these, except perhaps Kroot Hounds and Krootox, should probably be lower priority than most of the eldar/IG kits discussed... but if they're going to revamp something T'au, those should probably be it.

What the T'au need most is a huge shift in how the army plays/mechanics, because they're mostly built to castle as is, and that's really problematic for not only 9th edition mechanics, but traditional T'au fluff as well.
   
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 VladimirHerzog wrote:


I keep seeing Guards clamoring for new regiments models but i just don't get it. Theyre the only army where people keep asking for subfaction-specific models.
Apart from conversion kits, no other army has ways to represent their various subfactions other than converting/paintjob. Why would guard be any different?

If you absolutely want to represent your Valhallan/Steel legion/Vostroyan, theres plenty of 3rd party options.

I do agree however that the basic cadian kit is pretty dated and that they look goofy as hell with their bobbleheads.


No force in the universe will convince me that plastic Valhallans would not far outsell plastic Escher.

Or a plastic Halfling Blood Bowl team.

Or [insert here].

Any IG army needs 10+ infantry boxes, so offering a spew of different regiments would sell well even if the number of Tallarn players is lower than the number of Tau Aernautica Imperialis players.

 
   
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 Dysartes wrote:
 VladimirHerzog wrote:
I keep seeing Guards clamoring for new regiments models but i just don't get it. Theyre the only army where people keep asking for subfaction-specific models.


I'll take "25 years of having models to represent the Regiments, combined with sub-faction rules which revolve around these different sculpts" for $500, please, Alex.

That, mostly.

Also that their basic special weapon options (and vox) aren't in the infantry boxes, and the command boxes only have 1 of each.
I can excuse the heavy weapons teams (because one box goes a fair way if you even want HWTs in the squad), but missing the basic options is an issue.

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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

No force in the universe will convince me that plastic Valhallans would not far outsell plastic Escher.

Or a plastic Halfling Blood Bowl team.

Or [insert here].

There's nothing outside of a lasgun to separate a Valhallan from some 3rd party pseudo-Russian WWII models in the same scale.
There's a lot that makes Escher different from other offerings in plastic.


Any IG army needs 10+ infantry boxes, so offering a spew of different regiments would sell well even if the number of Tallarn players is lower than the number of Tau Aernautica Imperialis players.

Difference is that there's not a secondary or third party market for Aeronautica Imperialis stuff in plastic.

And that anyone running "10+ infantry boxes"(which is nowhere near what most lists are running, FYI) is going to be trying to get the cheapest options possible.


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 VladimirHerzog wrote:
I keep seeing Guards clamoring for new regiments models but i just don't get it. Theyre the only army where people keep asking for subfaction-specific models.


I'll take "25 years of having models to represent the Regiments, combined with sub-faction rules which revolve around these different sculpts" for $500, please, Alex.

That, mostly.

Also that their basic special weapon options (and vox) aren't in the infantry boxes, and the command boxes only have 1 of each.
I can excuse the heavy weapons teams (because one box goes a fair way if you even want HWTs in the squad), but missing the basic options is an issue.

Both Catachan and Cadian plastic boxes include vox-casters.
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Spot on about the weapon options though...but those were different days, where units would have blisters designed to go with them.

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still so much about guard. i get it and I go think they should work in more regiments... but please look at the eldar fire dragons and several other aspect warriors, then look at the guard kits then tell me which needs to be redone more. I don't think it needs to be zero sum game though... relese a aspect squad here, a infantry squad for guard there, maybe a chaos kit mixed in occationally etc. or they (GW)could just keep pumping out primaris... they will probably just do that (which to be fair sells)


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 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
 VladimirHerzog wrote:
Apart from conversion kits, no other army has ways to represent their various subfactions other than converting/paintjob. Why would guard be any different?


Because they actually have radically different cosmetic differences in the subfactions?

Also- Astartes do have conversion kits for their subfactions.



You realize the quoted text literally starts with "Apart from conversion kits,"?

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and the conversion kits are pretty minor, shoulderpads and a few heads.

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 VladimirHerzog wrote:
Just to make myself clear: I am not against the idea of GW giving you guys Regiment-specific models, i was just wondering why Guard was the only faction i saw it asked for so much.


Partially because it takes more than a fur cloak or a raised detail shoulterpad to turn a Cadian into a Vostroyan.

The problem is 1 of 6 guard players playing Voystroyan, 1 of 6 playing Catachans, 1 Tallarn, 1 Mordian, 1 Cadian, and 1 Valhallan just means none of them will get shelf space. 9 different Space Marine chapters and successors can buy the same kit with an upgrade blisterpack or two. If IG want all of their kits on the shelf, you're looking at a basic Guardsman kit and Regiment upgrade packs so they're all going to give up their cosmetic differences except for a couple detail bits and a Sergeant chest.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
Both Catachan and Cadian plastic boxes include vox-casters.
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Spot on about the weapon options though...but those were different days, where units would have blisters designed to go with them.


So much empty space on those sprues compared to more modern kits - at a minimum, with a reshuffle I think the arms for the other 3 (or 4) special weapons would fit, and maybe even an arm for a Sergeant lasgun.

Admittedly, GW being GW the special weapon arms would probably be set up so you could only make one straight out of the box, but there you go.

I do think the Cadian arm system works better than the Catachan one - I seem to recall getting the lasguns in place on the jungle boys was always a pain.

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