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When it comes to the eventual remake of the Guard, it's going to need to be a bit … tricky.

What you WANT are a combination of Trooper Sprues and Stuff Sprues.

This would be broken down as follows:

2 Trooper Sprues and 1 Infantry Stuff for infantry squads.

1 Trooper Sprue and 1 Command Sprue for command squads

1 Heavy Weapon Team Sprue and 1 Heavy Weapon Sprue for heavy weapon teams.

The three Stuff sprues would have the stuff that this squad would need... special weapons, a voxcaster, etc for Infantry, vox, banner, etc for command, heavy weapons for the heavy teams … but no limbs or heads at all.

The two trooper sprues (one of five bodies, one with three heavy teams) have all the arms, heads, etc, for your needs.

By splitting it up this way, you can slowly add more types of GUard forces by just using a new Trooper Sprue and re-using the Stuff sprues.

So, you'd start with New Cadians, which might just be "The Imperial Guard", the most common force in the known galaxy, then add from there. A Catachan would need just two sprues. A Vallhallan would just need two sprues, and so on.

Minimal resculpting, and you can use the same arm poses, with different uniforms over them, to make sure that the same weapon sprues fit each design right.

It's the most money-efficient way. Start with The Imperial guard, then add a new set once a year for a few years... Catachan to start, then Vallhallan, and so on. Get around six before you're done, top each off with a thematic HQ choice, and Bob's your uncle.
   
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Wakshaani wrote:


It's the most money-efficient way.


No, it's not. The shelf real estate for 6 boxes of 4 different kits is cost prohibitive. There's a reason they aren't Long Hellblasters, Deathwing Intercessors, or Death Assault Intercessors. They're shrinking the number of boxes on the shelf.

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I’d like new Guard, but really what I’d like is more Guard. Neither Cadians nor Catachans have aged too well, but more variety is key IMHO. More regiments, rather than squatting Cadians and Catachans would be preferable.

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See that stuff above? Completely true. All of it, every single word. Stands to reason. 
   
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 DalekCheese wrote:
I’d like new Guard, but really what I’d like is more Guard. Neither Cadians nor Catachans have aged too well, but more variety is key IMHO. More regiments, rather than squatting Cadians and Catachans would be preferable.


It's an interesting one for guard, no other faction requests variations of it's core kits for the subfaction, I get guard are very visually diverse and GW made a rod for their own back on that one, but it is a very unique issue and something I can't see happening tbh.
   
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Emperors children would be.... perfect
   
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mrFickle wrote:
Emperors children would be.... perfect


Not too perfect, though. Nothing good will come of absolutely perfect EC

See that stuff above? Completely true. All of it, every single word. Stands to reason. 
   
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The premise that GW will ever finish MOAR MARINES is flawed. GW will never finish MOAR MARINES.

At best, we can hope other factions will get a bone every once in a while.

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GW wrote:But don’t you see? We gave some factions one (1) model! BALANCE!

See that stuff above? Completely true. All of it, every single word. Stands to reason. 
   
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I have finished to paint my 4th IK by now. This means I am ready for a fully fledged Mecha game system to use these models.

And no, IK:Renegade isn't a substitute.
   
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Factions to Bring Back:

- Renegades and Heretics

Factions to address with new model Ranges:

Tyranids - They just need the love that Necrons just got.

Eldar - Plastic Aspects, Phoenix Lords and a new Avatar

Drukhari - Give them the Blackstone Fortress stuff (Like they mingling with their Aliens) and Tureborn kit and a plastic Coven kit. Bring back the Old characters too!

T'au - Give them more Auxiliaries. they have the T'au part all done and nicely rounded out

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 Strg Alt wrote:
I have finished to paint my 4th IK by now. This means I am ready for a fully fledged Mecha game system to use these models.

And no, IK:Renegade isn't a substitute.


sadly for you AT is in a differant scale

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 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Imperial Guard desperately needs more regimental options in their kits. While some people are screaming about Finecast, at least there's Finecast as an option rather than having entire regiments completely discontinued.

After that give Aeldari players their plastic kits, I suppose.

Then Orks could probably use an update? Sure.

I wouldn't mind seeing Chaos Marines get different options for things like Chosen, and the specialized Legions like Emperor's Children and the like.

When it comes to Tau, GW should just make more Space Marines instead- just to spite Tau players for all the trash-talking in 7th Edition.


Well, we know orks are getting at minimum one model from that teaser they showed the deathguard, sororitis and other model. Plus a few rumour engine posts that look very, very orkhish. But besides that I reckon the ork line is still sitting pretty decently. Other lines could very much use a tune up more urgently. Dark elder have a few gaps still, and regular elder certainly do need some of their core units to be made into plastic. Dunno why it's taken 2 decades for it.
   
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If you ignore the finecast issues, orks really just need one or two HQ kits for the ones missing in action and a proper kopta kit.
Outside of that, game-wise the range is rather complete.

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 The Warp Forge wrote:
Factions to address with new model Ranges:

Tyranids - They just need the love that Necrons just got.
Do they? Most of the Tyranid range is plastic already, and aside from new Gaunts what of the existing plastics really needs to change? Genestealers?

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Anything that doesn't invalidate older kits is actually welcome. I mean kits in addition to already existing stuff or updates of altready existing stuff that don't change dimensions, wargear, etc of the updated units.

More releases like incubi, necron warriors, all new sisters etc, no releases like new ghaz, ragnar, or new units that sooner or later will actually replace classic stuff (see primaris), etc...

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No new Ghaz or Ragnar? That would leave us with two ancient (one of them being one of the most ancient) minis in 40K still kicking around.

   
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I'd say eldar, even though nobody in my group plays them. A lot of their line is old enough to vote.

As for my own army, I just want plastic tankbustas.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No new Ghaz or Ragnar? That would leave us with two ancient (one of them being one of the most ancient) minis in 40K still kicking around.


The previous Ghaz is still my favorite GW model in history while I despise anything primaris related, huge models (like new ghaz) and scenic basis. I would have loved a new ghaz with the size of the previous one and a new ragnar with the size of a wolf lord and not a primaris dude. The current ragnar is also huge compared to a firstborn marine. Older models would still be legit without stucking iconic characters into ancient sculpts.

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The new Thrakka pretty much matches the artwork in size though, and he actually still looks decent if you leave the scenic base off.
I'm fairly glad about the new model, I just wished they hadn't axed the MA warboss so the old one would still serve a purpose.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 The Warp Forge wrote:
Factions to address with new model Ranges:

Tyranids - They just need the love that Necrons just got.
Do they? Most of the Tyranid range is plastic already, and aside from new Gaunts what of the existing plastics really needs to change? Genestealers?



I imagine he's talking about new stuff. The Necs didn't NEED a new floating throne dude and a half dozen new lord types but they got them.

Do the nids NEED I dunno, dragon flies or dung beetles or centipedes? No. But I bet there's room to make some really cool new monsters.

 
   
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 Jidmah wrote:
The new Thrakka pretty much matches the artwork in size though, and he actually still looks decent if you leave the scenic base off.
I'm fairly glad about the new model, I just wished they hadn't axed the MA warboss so the old one would still serve a purpose.


they really need to bring back mega armored warbosses. it'd be like making terminator captains legends.

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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 The Warp Forge wrote:
Factions to address with new model Ranges:

Tyranids - They just need the love that Necrons just got.
Do they? Most of the Tyranid range is plastic already, and aside from new Gaunts what of the existing plastics really needs to change? Genestealers?



I imagine he's talking about new stuff. The Necs didn't NEED a new floating throne dude and a half dozen new lord types but they got them.

Do the nids NEED I dunno, dragon flies or dung beetles or centipedes? No. But I bet there's room to make some really cool new monsters.


Definitely, but they've covered a lot of them so there's limited design space now really. They don't have a lord of war so easy addition there, some new gaunts/stealers wouldn't go amiss, get rid of finecast so red terror, lictors, death leaper, pyrovore and biovore. That's a healthy release in and of itself and just make some dual kits with new units in.
   
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Tyranids still have lots of design space. GW could port several of the models over from forgeworld - Malanthrope or a "lord of war" heiroduel.

They could also bring some of the unique variations back - Parasite of Mortix (invests units with rippers); the shrieks as their own unit (winged warriors); etc...

I agree Tyranids are overall in an honestly good position; even though I'd love them to get a nice update and remove the last of the finecast; Eldar and mutliple AoS armies are in FAR more need of the lions share (necron style) attention from GW.


   
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Tyranids I feel really just need a rules update. And new Termies/Hormies, at least get shot of the two part heads!

Eldar need some love, no doubt about it.

Plastic Aspects and Phoenix Lords are the bare minimum. Vyper needs a spit and polish kit update too. Oh, and an Avatar.

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Honestly I'd be happy if GW just released a separate gaunt head plastic kit (not FW because then they'd look fab but would cost more than a whole gaunt).

   
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I'd love to re-create something like my teenage Eldar army but...not with the same models in an apparently worse material.

Guard regiments would be amazing but don't see it happening en masse with the way they're doing things currently.

   
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Definitely Marines from the revenue point of view.
But I guess GW will run out of ideas (hopefully!) for increasing the range of Marines.

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Looking at Necrons and Death Guard, GW seems to think every single faction (marines included tbf) needs a terrain piece. God knows why, but this is what we are getting realistically for every faction that doesn't have one yet after marines. Would I have preferred some long ranged AT fire support or a special hellbrute for my DG? Sure but terrain is what we are all getting, so get used to it.
Edit: Sorry should have read the OP first I assume. Terrain is what I think everyone WILL be getting as for what should, probably an update for the old ranges like Eldar and personally I would have liked some more special infantry units over a character and a building but c'est la vie.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No new Ghaz or Ragnar? That would leave us with two ancient (one of them being one of the most ancient) minis in 40K still kicking around.


Ragnar Blackmane? Just crossed the Primaris Rubicon, and has a new mini.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Tyranids I feel really just need a rules update. And new Termies/Hormies, at least get shot of the two part heads!


Nids need primarily a rules update. Some new units would help them. They could use a mid range jump/flyer (Gargoyle/Warriors kit with melee primary+wings) with a strong melee component aimed at Aircraft and hardened infantry. They could probably use some sort of Skyfire unit. As near as I can tell their best choice outside of taking an "aircraft" of their own are Gargoyles or Flyrants. And neither of those choices are all that good. The flyrant has better things to do, and the Gargoyles are more likely to bounce off.






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 Castozor wrote:
Looking at Necrons and Death Guard, GW seems to think every single faction (marines included tbf) needs a terrain piece. God knows why,

The new Fortiifcation Detachment. It has to match your faction. I'm hoping they do something with the old fortifications to give them a <Faction> but it's likely people who already bought those will be <SCREWED>.

but this is what we are getting realistically for every faction that doesn't have one yet after marines. Would I have preferred some long ranged AT fire support or a special hellbrute for my DG? Sure but terrain is what we are all getting, so get used to it.
Edit: Sorry should have read the OP first I assume. Terrain is what I think everyone WILL be getting as for what should, probably an update for the old ranges like Eldar and personally I would have liked some more special infantry units over a character and a building but c'est la vie.

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 Castozor wrote:
Looking at Necrons and Death Guard, GW seems to think every single faction (marines included tbf) needs a terrain piece. God knows why, but this is what we are getting realistically for every faction that doesn't have one yet after marines. Would I have preferred some long ranged AT fire support or a special hellbrute for my DG? Sure but terrain is what we are all getting, so get used to it.


We know that DG will also be getting a character that buffs long ranged fire support, so it's kind of what you wanted.

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