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 kodos wrote:
It is said that this is the main reason why we got Shadow War Armageddon, because someone was pissed that Necromunda was given to a different department

I thought it was to push the sector mechanicus terrain, with kill team coming out later with sector imperialis?

 Shakalooloo wrote:
There are thousands of those warriors out there available for cheap - even at release I managed to pick up lots real cheap from folk that didn't want them. The price is going to have to be very low for anyone to buy.

Not picking on you per se but everyone always says this and then a week later the thing that they say it about always sells out and then they're all like "wait, people actually bought this?"

The could put the existing Sprues in the Box as a redux, but with those bad Minis, nope.

Why not 2nd Edition Starter, or WHFB..

In a World where nostalgia is an ever increasing cash cow I can understand why they have done this particular MTO, the execution and value is just a bit off though. The lack of upgrade sprue for the Marines is doubly puzzling as well.

The current dream MTO for me would be the original plastic Ork Battlewagon...no idea if they have the moulds or expertise to do that though but I think that could really make a mint.

GW have been doing a few interesting things with MTO of late, notably the extended lead times also.

If they still have the moulds to produce BFG, I actually think they will, but possible with a 12 month lead time, allowing them to take up to 12 months to deliver your box set. It may not take this long but it is long enough for them to plan for the increase in production and slowing down other production just incase orders are insane and they don't want to hamper their other plans in the 12 months.

They also do not necessarily need to spend the time and money sourcing all the paper materials, just release the rules digitally, it doesn't need to be a complete game re-print.

Mordheim
Epic 40000
BFG

I think I'd buy all 3 if they were re-released.

 Togusa wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:
There are thousands of those warriors out there available for cheap - even at release I managed to pick up lots real cheap from folk that didn't want them. The price is going to have to be very low for anyone to buy.

Not picking on you per se but everyone always says this and then a week later the thing that they say it about always sells out and then they're all like "wait, people actually bought this?"

Well, in this case it's MTO, so I feel confident in saying that it won't sell out this time!

FWIW, new and old warriors fit pretty well together if painted the same, and I've even managed to upgrade a few oldies with spare arms from the newer set (with a little bodging).

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Mordheim
Epic 40000
BFG

I think I'd buy all 3 if they were re-released.

They still sell the Skaven from Mordheim and they are as ugly as in the 90s. They won't re-release any models without a game they could be used in (except maybe Dreadfleet or Inquisitor) or any rules without models. Mordheim... maybe ( fun fact: it was Mortheim in Germany, as Mord just means murder here and it is just a silly pseudo German name in actual German).

Other people have moved in to the vacuum left by GW dropping support for Mordheim, BFG, and Epic, and to be honest I'm just as happy it staying that way - diversity in the market is objectively a good thing for gamers, a lot of those smaller games would struggle if GW returned to them in force

Billicus wrote:
Other people have moved in to the vacuum left by GW dropping support for Mordheim, BFG, and Epic, and to be honest I'm just as happy it staying that way - diversity in the market is objectively a good thing for gamers, a lot of those smaller games would struggle if GW returned to them in force

Dunno, it's the same situation as Necromunda, and... well, the current game is an unholy mess, but the minis are selling.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 krijthebold wrote:
I can honestly see not reprinting the big book.

But leaving out the terrain is just plain a shame.

I wonder if the terrain was cast in China? I never got any of that terrain so I dunno, but a lot of terrain is cast outside of GW, especially the ones on larger sprues.

I wonder that too now. I had that terrain back when it came out but I didn't really check that sort of thing in those days, ha.

Does anyhow know how GW handled terrain like that back in the 90's?

GW - "Now, Drukhari players, we know you might be feeling a little left out after we cut a third of the units from your codex and haven't released a single new Drukhari unit in over a decade, so we're pleased to finally announce a new Drukhari release!"

Players - "Let us guess, another resculpt of an existing unit, except worse in every way bar the material?"

GW - "No, no, we promise it isn't a resculpt."

Players - "Huh. Okay, we're interested, what is it?"

GW - "We're re-releasing a box of Warriors from 3rd edition!"

Players - ". . ."

 krijthebold wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 krijthebold wrote:
I can honestly see not reprinting the big book.

But leaving out the terrain is just plain a shame.

I wonder if the terrain was cast in China? I never got any of that terrain so I dunno, but a lot of terrain is cast outside of GW, especially the ones on larger sprues.

I wonder that too now. I had that terrain back when it came out but I didn't really check that sort of thing in those days, ha.

Does anyhow know how GW handled terrain like that back in the 90's?

While I don't know, I'm willing to go out on a limb and say GW produced the early plastic terrain kits in house and only switched to production in China after 2010.

The 3rd ed ruins, trees, the earlier bulkheads all felt like the same plastic used on non-terrain models.

I don't think China has anything to do with it. It certainly doesn't explain why GW decided to leave out the Sergeant sprue for the Marines. But for the terrain specifically I figure it was more an attempt not to throw in more random stuff. If you buy into the MTO, you already accept that you get models for two different armies. Fewer people will be interested in that combination if they also have to pay extra for two ruins and four trees.

 vipoid wrote:
GW - "Now, Drukhari players, we know you might be feeling a little left out after we cut a third of the units from your codex and haven't released a single new Drukhari unit in over a decade, so we're pleased to finally announce a new Drukhari release!"

Players - "Let us guess, another resculpt of an existing unit, except worse in every way bar the material?"

GW - "No, no, we promise it isn't a resculpt."

Players - "Huh. Okay, we're interested, what is it?"

GW - "We're re-releasing a box of Warriors from 3rd edition!"

Players - ". . ."

Wouldn't it be fun if they made a MTO run for Vect, but refused to give him rules?

Re-releasing old sets again for a short period makes sense, but both choosing this particular set and they way they've done it are just baffling. The Dark Eldar side of it I can sort of understand, but a set with classic Space Marines without their upgrade sprue, in a box set without the rest of the stuff that make it a start set like the rules and templates, and without any of the classic scenery either? Presumably without a recreation of the box too.

If this was an actual fairly close approximation of the 3rd edition starter set then that would be one thing, but it seems like an attempt to appeal to nostalgia but it's missing half of what is needed to adequately do so.

The classic Dark Eldar armour design is a perfect fit for your Archon’s Kabalite Trueborn bodyguard.

multiple different armour marks, ideal for representing Company Veterans and other elite units.

What drugs do they take?

That product text is the dumbest and most stupid I have ever read.

 vipoid wrote:
GW - "Now, Drukhari players, we know you might be feeling a little left out after we cut a third of the units from your codex and haven't released a single new Drukhari unit in over a decade, so we're pleased to finally announce a new Drukhari release!"

Players - "Let us guess, another resculpt of an existing unit, except worse in every way bar the material?"

GW - "No, no, we promise it isn't a resculpt."

Players - "Huh. Okay, we're interested, what is it?"

GW - "We're re-releasing a box of Warriors from 3rd edition!"

Players - ". . ."

Well, technically it is a resculpt of an existing unit, just not in the direction you are traditionally thinking of...

 Togusa wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:
There are thousands of those warriors out there available for cheap - even at release I managed to pick up lots real cheap from folk that didn't want them. The price is going to have to be very low for anyone to buy.

Not picking on you per se but everyone always says this and then a week later the thing that they say it about always sells out and then they're all like "wait, people actually bought this?"

Well, it all depends how many they make, doesn't it? If GW think something won't be popular they likely don't manufacture as much. I'm sure some of the Aeronautica Imperialis stuff that sold out did so due to lack of stock initially rather than huge amounts of popularity.

But I think in this case, being sceptical is a reasonable position, in this whole thread I've only seen a couple of people express an interest, and even then it wasn't like they were jumping up and down over it or qualified it by saying only if it's a good price.

When it comes to a nostalgia driven product it's not a great sign when a forum full of your most rabid and long serving nerds is not excited.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Mordheim
Epic 40000
BFG

I think I'd buy all 3 if they were re-released.

They still sell the Skaven from Mordheim and they are as ugly as in the 90s. They won't re-release any models without a game they could be used in (except maybe Dreadfleet or Inquisitor) or any rules without models. Mordheim... maybe ( fun fact: it was Mortheim in Germany, as Mord just means murder here and it is just a silly pseudo German name in actual German).

Some years ago ( maybe when Necromunda was released again ) they said that they want to do relaunch Mordheim again. Just they said its further down the line ( like really further down the line ).

 Grimtuff wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
GW - "Now, Drukhari players, we know you might be feeling a little left out after we cut a third of the units from your codex and haven't released a single new Drukhari unit in over a decade, so we're pleased to finally announce a new Drukhari release!"

Players - "Let us guess, another resculpt of an existing unit, except worse in every way bar the material?"

GW - "No, no, we promise it isn't a resculpt."

Players - "Huh. Okay, we're interested, what is it?"

GW - "We're re-releasing a box of Warriors from 3rd edition!"

Players - ". . ."

Well, technically it is a resculpt of an existing unit, just not in the direction you are traditionally thinking of...

There is no technicality by which rereleasing the original sculpt of a model can count as a "resculpt".

This feels entirely like someone was cleaning out a warehouse, found the crate of old mold plates, and there ensued a bet between members of the production staff.

Terrain was generally molded in the UK, right along with the models. The China thing didn’t really get going until a few years ago, with the initial release of Age of Sigmar in 2015. It was accompanied by a wave of terrain that people noted was inferior in detail and quality of the plastic to GW’s usual standards. Although not in price, of course - they were still charging premium price for a markedly inferior product. Then people noticed the ‘Made in China’ on the terrain boxes…

 totalfailure wrote:
Terrain was generally molded in the UK, right along with the models. The China thing didn’t really get going until a few years ago, with the initial release of Age of Sigmar in 2015. It was accompanied by a wave of terrain that people noted was inferior in detail and quality of the plastic to GW’s usual standards. Although not in price, of course - they were still charging premium price for a markedly inferior product. Then people noticed the ‘Made in China’ on the terrain boxes…

Are you sure it doesn't go back further than 2015? I thought they started doing China casting for the large terrain sprues long before that. I thought there were some sprues that were at the time bigger than what they could cast in house. The stuff that used a darker plastic than what you normally find in GW kits. I guess it could have been cast externally but still in the UK.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:

The current dream MTO for me would be the original plastic Ork Battlewagon...no idea if they have the moulds or expertise to do that though but I think that could really make a mint.

Someone else with a long memory might be able to add to this story, but as I recall it the mold for the plastic Ork battlewagon was damaged at an early point in its lifespan - even before the release of second edition.
It was indeed a fabulous kit, but it disappeared from shelves relatively quickly and I never even got to enjoy building one as I got mine off someone second hand around 1991 or 1992.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:


Are you sure it doesn't go back further than 2015? I thought they started doing China casting for the large terrain sprues long before that. I thought there were some sprues that were at the time bigger than what they could cast in house. The stuff that used a darker plastic than what you normally find in GW kits. I guess it could have been cast externally but still in the UK.

It definitely goes back before 2015. My Skyshield landing pad(2009) box says "Made in China" on it.

The vacuum formed Planetstrike terrain was heavily criticised at the time for being low quality and Chinese, wasn't it?

 Lord Damocles wrote:
The vacuum formed Planetstrike terrain was heavily criticised at the time for being low quality and Chinese, wasn't it?

The first, yes, the second I don't really think so, but I don't quite remember.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
If it actually included the 3rd edition rulebook they'd have a worthwhile product

If they released it with all the original content I'd buy that gak like it was my job...

If they want to do more MTOs, please do a terrain MTO with things like the ruined rhino minefield, plasma annihilator, larger wall of martyrs kits, Aquila sanctum, crashed aquilla.

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
GW have been doing a few interesting things with MTO of late, notably the extended lead times also.
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They also do not necessarily need to spend the time and money sourcing all the paper materials, just release the rules digitally, it doesn't need to be a complete game re-print.

Mordheim
Epic 40000
BFG

I think I'd buy all 3 if they were re-released.

Me too. But what is a Mordheim release with digital rules? Some skaven clanrats and freeguild militia?

Also, does not epic 40k presume more than the starter set. Like a lot of releases?


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 solkan wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
GW - "Now, Drukhari players, we know you might be feeling a little left out after we cut a third of the units from your codex and haven't released a single new Drukhari unit in over a decade, so we're pleased to finally announce a new Drukhari release!"

Players - "Let us guess, another resculpt of an existing unit, except worse in every way bar the material?"

GW - "No, no, we promise it isn't a resculpt."

Players - "Huh. Okay, we're interested, what is it?"

GW - "We're re-releasing a box of Warriors from 3rd edition!"

Players - ". . ."

Well, technically it is a resculpt of an existing unit, just not in the direction you are traditionally thinking of...

There is no technicality by which rereleasing the original sculpt of a model can count as a "resculpt".

This feels entirely like someone was cleaning out a warehouse, found the crate of old mold plates, and there ensued a bet between members of the production staff.

How large are those mold plates anyway?

I know it’s the one game that will never return due to scale but I would pay a fortune for a new Inquisitor. There never was a starter box cuz of the scale I imagine. Oh the lost possibilities

John D Law wrote:
I know it’s the one game that will never return due to scale but I would pay a fortune for a new Inquisitor. There never was a starter box cuz of the scale I imagine. Oh the lost possibilities

I could not agree more. By far some of the best miniatures GW ever made.

 Kanluwen wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:


Are you sure it doesn't go back further than 2015? I thought they started doing China casting for the large terrain sprues long before that. I thought there were some sprues that were at the time bigger than what they could cast in house. The stuff that used a darker plastic than what you normally find in GW kits. I guess it could have been cast externally but still in the UK.

It definitely goes back before 2015. My Skyshield landing pad(2009) box says "Made in China" on it.

To add to that, the box of the Chaos altar for Warhammer Fantasy also says Made in China. Single piece*, very sizeable plastic thing, that one.


*The main part, anyway.