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Just noticed you don't get the upgrade frame for the Marines. No Sergeant/Flamer/Missile Launcher.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Just think of all the things which aren't this which GW could have released instead of this.

I've had people from two different sites tell me that, come The Old World, GW won't be able to re-release old plastic Fantasy kits.

This kind of proves otherwise to me...

Pretty sure reproducing the Talisman Dragon sprues for the Malekith MTO already proved otherwise.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Would have been tempting at $50. At $100? Absurd.

Hey, Joe! Those old molds paid for themselves over 20 years ago. Making this set will cost a buck or two in plastic tops. Plus we don’t need to spend money on new boxes or art or anything. How much should we charge for the set?

Joe hastily scribbles an arcane formula. Then he multiplies the results by 93.6, a number that has served him well. Sure fans would be happy to get a great deal on some older stuff.
But then he remembered his master’s teachings.
If even one item sells at the price you set, you could have gotten more.

This could be a test run on the profitability of releasing older box set models. Isle of Blood? Two please. BFG? I’ll take two. Man o War? Yes please. Were it not for the Titanicus relaunch, I’d go after a set or three of Titan Legions …but I much prefer the new scale.

And that is just off the top of my head. I am certain there is a solid market for “dead” plastic sprues. After all, they are already paid for, and likely just gathering dust in storage somewhere.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Just noticed you don't get the upgrade frame for the Marines. No Sergeant/Flamer/Missile Launcher.

Ahhh... yeah, that kind of killed my positivity for this MTO wave as well once I read that. Such a silly thing to decide to leave out.

Ouch, at that price (and missing the extra sprue for the marines), I won't even consider that at all.

The nostalgia isn't strong enough on this for me. If it was second edition (worse models but stronger nostalgia), or if it was armies/models I half-cared about that could be a maybe, but here it's a big nope!

100 dollars?? Gtfo.

No way.

I see quite a few 3rd ed videos on YT. Maybe someone at gw thought its a trend and thought to capitalize.

 triplegrim wrote:
100 dollars?? Gtfo.

No way.

I see quite a few 3rd ed videos on YT. Maybe someone at gw thought its a trend and thought to capitalize.

And you can play 3rd with the much improved new warriors. So... yeah, no. Its a really weird attempt to capitalize on a passing thing, even if it is true.
Honestly if I were to ever clear out my storage shelves of GW products, the original Dark Eldar models would be the first ones getting tipped in the bin. I still have these guys. They're... really bad, they don't even hold up to models that came out a decade before they did.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Just think of all the things which aren't this which GW could have released instead of this.

I've had people from two different sites tell me that, come The Old World, GW won't be able to re-release old plastic Fantasy kits.

This kind of proves otherwise to me...

That sounds odd. Why wouldn't they be able to produce their old stuff as long as the steel molds are still viable? It's not like those molds wouldn't be able to fit into the extruding machines. Hell I bet most of the machines are still the same ones they invested in 20+ years ago with some QOL upgrades.


James Workshop, of all the editions to release why 3rd? One of the worst starter sets model wise. The DE models where horrible back then and thats the ultimate cop out, 10 bolter dudes...... you know you used to give those marines away to people to paint their first models.

So really....no MTO for BFG, you know undercut the scalpers prices on feebay/trading groups etc etc and it will sell.

 Sacredroach wrote:
This could be a test run on the profitability of releasing older box set models. Isle of Blood? Two please. BFG? I’ll take two. Man o War? Yes please. Were it not for the Titanicus relaunch, I’d go after a set or three of Titan Legions …but I much prefer the new scale.

And that is just off the top of my head. I am certain there is a solid market for “dead” plastic sprues. After all, they are already paid for, and likely just gathering dust in storage somewhere.

If they were trying to test profitability they maybe shouldn't have chosen one of the least inspiring boxed sets they've ever offered. If I go through the list of 40k boxed sets, I'd place 3rd edition at the bottom...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/07/23/warhammer-40000-through-the-ages/

...and that's not even considering things like WHFB, Epic, BFG, Necromunda, GorkaMorka.

Yeah, if this was a market test, they’re not going to be getting good data, because this one is really unappealing. Unless they’re literally trying to find the bottom of the barrel (i.e. the limit of nostalgia value)?

Or Templars recently came out, and Dark Eldar are doing well competitively, so GW is just doing a Why Not? release.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Or Templars recently came out, and Dark Eldar are doing well competitively, so GW is just doing a Why Not? release.

That's got to be on par with the why not that gave us one click bundles, though. There's nothing Black Templar about those Marines but the paint job. Considering you're buying naked Tacticals and after the Primaris release for Templars it doesn't look like the 4th ed Templar upgrade sprue is available anymore, these models have to rate among the least desirable purchases for a Templar player.

At least the Dark Eldar are somewhat functional. As has been said, the models weren't exactly considered good when they were shiny and new, but at least that's a question of aesthetics and personal preference. The Marine side can't fall back on that.

100 quid with no books, templates or dice? Nah no thanks!

It really shows how GW has changed over the years, they removed half of the things from the box and yet are charging way more than they used to when it actually came out.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
It really shows how GW has changed over the years, they removed half of the things from the box and yet are charging way more than they used to when it actually came out.

I see what you mean but let's face it. Hoping for something to be priced the same as it was in the 90s is delusional. I know houses have x5 in price round then.

you cant compare houses with plastic, i want to know what poeple are going to buy this. i play bouth armys but it had to be very low would i even thing about is (about 10 euros)

Ragweek wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
It really shows how GW has changed over the years, they removed half of the things from the box and yet are charging way more than they used to when it actually came out.

I see what you mean but let's face it. Hoping for something to be priced the same as it was in the 90s is delusional. I know houses have x5 in price round then.

Comparing the vastly out of whack UK housing market to GW prices to make it seem reasonable? Will wonders never cease?

I think the box was £50 when it was released (some later versions also included a limited release metal Captain model)?

That would equate to £89.98 now, according to the Bank of England's inflation calculator.

But this new bundle is missing the Marine upgrade sprue, the gothic ruins, the jungle trees, the rulebook, templates, dice, range rulers, or fancy box.

So whatever way you look at it, you're now being asked to pay more for significantly less.

Ragweek wrote:
I know houses have x5 in price round then.

or being 1/4 of the price from back than depending on the condition and region

it is just the models, not a retro-boxed set with everything from the past and I have to say that I never got the original one, a re-print for 50-70€ with models, terrain and rules and I would have bought without a second thought

but for models only, never worth the price, specially with the old DE ones going for 5-10€ per 10 models on ebay

for a models only set, Black Reach would have been a much better choice

 kodos wrote:

Ragweek wrote:
I know houses have x5 in price round then.

it is just the models, not a retro-boxed set with everything from the past and I have to say that I never got the original one, a re-print for 50-70€ with models, terrain and rules and I would have bought without a second thought

but for models only, never worth the price, specially with the old DE ones going for 5-10€ per 10 models on ebay

for a models only set, Black Reach would have been a much better choice

It's not even all the models, they removed the sergant and special weapon sprues from Space Marines

Hahaha

The image on the front page of the webstore only shows seven Marines, because they didn't include the photoshopped ones.

Pathetic.

Ragweek wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
It really shows how GW has changed over the years, they removed half of the things from the box and yet are charging way more than they used to when it actually came out.

I see what you mean but let's face it. Hoping for something to be priced the same as it was in the 90s is delusional. I know houses have x5 in price round then.

So, a house in the UK costs five times as much to buy now than it did in '98? That's something

Still, the average even in the UK seems to be twice, not five times as much:

https://www.allagents.co.uk/house-prices-adjusted/

And yes, even so, plastic minis are not houses, and the comparison is more than a bit naff.

As everyone else says, WFB 6th, 7th or 8th would probably all sell. So would Epic 40,000 and BFG. Perhaps also Gorkamorka or Mordhiem, though this is more speculative. As for 40k, this is the second worst start.

I mean, almost every other starter beyond 4th WFB and 2nd 40K (technically Gorkamorka also) has either models that do not have superior versions available today or have unique characters.

 Da Boss wrote:
100 quid with no books, templates or dice? Nah no thanks!

Err, it's 60 quid.

 Albertorius wrote:

Ragweek wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
It really shows how GW has changed over the years, they removed half of the things from the box and yet are charging way more than they used to when it actually came out.

I see what you mean but let's face it. Hoping for something to be priced the same as it was in the 90s is delusional. I know houses have x5 in price round then.

So, a house in the UK costs five times as much to buy now than it did in '98? That's something

Still, the average even in the UK seems to be twice, not five times as much:

https://www.allagents.co.uk/house-prices-adjusted/

And yes, even so, plastic minis are not houses, and the comparison is more than a bit naff.

Houses have got expensive largely because of high demand, so by that argument these models should have gotten cheaper

I was using quid in a more loose sense, sorry to have caused confusion.

 Strg Alt wrote:

Zenithfleet wrote:
Oh ye spiky gods, is that the original plastic Land Speeder? The one that would only fit together if you had a vice and five hands?

Yep. I built three of these myself. Used rubber bands instead of a vice and a healthy dose of patience.

Actually, I think we managed to put together two of them without rubber bands, a vice or five hands. Just bloody-minded Aussie determination. But it wasn't easy.

I still have that pair of speeders in a box somewhere--they served the Ultramarines well, and we never got around to replacing them with updated models.

 Jadenim wrote:
Yeah, if this was a market test, they’re not going to be getting good data, because this one is really unappealing. Unless they’re literally trying to find the bottom of the barrel (i.e. the limit of nostalgia value)?

*dons tinfoil hat* Maybe someone at GW is trying to sabotage someone else's bright idea?

"Oh no, here comes Ned again, I can't stand that annoying piece of $#%@ ... ahem, hi Ned! How are you today? Oh, you reckon we should release old plastic minis that are popular on the secondhand market? You reckon BFG plastic cruisers or Necromunda terrain or a WFB starter set would be perfect to test the waters? Great, great, I'll take care of it, don't you worry. And I'll make sure you get all the credit. Heh, heh, heh..."

Well, it's not impossible. Something really weird happened with the release of that 6mm scale Battle of Five Armies boxed game they did years ago...

It is said that this is the main reason why we got Shadow War Armageddon, because someone was pissed that Necromunda was given to a different department

I can honestly see not reprinting the big book.

But leaving out the terrain is just plain a shame.

 krijthebold wrote:
I can honestly see not reprinting the big book.

But leaving out the terrain is just plain a shame.

I wonder if the terrain was cast in China? I never got any of that terrain so I dunno, but a lot of terrain is cast outside of GW, especially the ones on larger sprues.