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Yarrick isn't a Marine...and Dante can always still die/fail+need a dreadnought.

Shrike and Khan are the only two who didn't die before crossing though.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Yarrick isn't a Marine...and Dante can always still die/fail+need a dreadnought.

Shrike and Khan are the only two who didn't die before crossing though.

I thought Calgar volunteered to go first?

What about Tigurius and Captain McFisty3rdCompany?

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I could believe it had some crazy feed mechanism, but the lack of an ejection port is a bit disturbing.

To be fair, it was designed back in the days when GW still recognised bolters as firing caseless ammunition.

Is it that old? I think ever since 3rd edition bolters have had ejection ports.

It was never a thing, really. Bolts are technically caseless but they have this initial small powder charge to get them up to speed because they would be otherwise useless on short distances like RL gyrojets. You can see art of bolters ejecting these initializer cases since pretty much Rogue Trader.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
There just needs to be a feed mechanism to bring the rounds up to the firing chamber (which could be mechanical, it could be vacuum, it could be magnetic, it could be scifi magic) then it'd be consistent with 2nd edition Bolters to not have an ejection port.

The new Azrael looks a bit off simply in the sense that the ejection port looks too close to the rear of the gun for the bolt to have space to travel back and eject the spent case, but maybe some space magic there or maybe the proportions don't come across properly in the images.

The problem with magic loading mechanism with old bolter is the fact he is bracing it on shoulder pad so whatever it is, it would need to travel thought 5 cm of solid ceramite. Unless he points bolter down after each shot to make room for reload?

As for new gun, you'd just need bolt forward mechanism, instead of usual back traveling one. It's rarer but absolutely is a thing, funnily enough, mostly in bull pups where magazines and ejection ports are way in the back of the gun. See MDRX for one:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Yarrick isn't a Marine...and Dante can always still die/fail+need a dreadnought.

Shrike and Khan are the only two who didn't die before crossing though.

I never realized that after playing multiple flavors of both marines and IG since 3rd edition. Or perhaps I was making a joke. Definitely one of the two. .

If anything, Dante might have been the better choice to keep given his notable lifespan watching the degradation of the Imperium firsthand though I fully admit that same reason could be just as easily used to justify his removal now that G-man does the job better. Regardless, the world of 40k will only be made better with the introduction of official golden six pack abs and chiseled nipples that can make a necron swoon.

Joke or not, Yarrick was pointless. It's about time he was gone.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Joke or not, Yarrick was pointless. It's about time he was gone.

He'll be back at some point anyway.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Joke or not, Yarrick was pointless. It's about time he was gone.

It's ok to be wrong sometimes, we forgive you.

 BertBert wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Joke or not, Yarrick was pointless. It's about time he was gone.

He'll be back at some point anyway.

Yarrick is a symbol and a relic of a bigone era, when special characters were typical and iconic for their faction, but essentially just people that existed in the universe, subject to its cruelties and whims like any other guy. Nowadays there is no place for a random commissar with a nemesis, everybody has to be high and mighty, chosen by the gods themselves, movers and shakers that literally shape the whole setting by their own hand. It's another sign of the shift from setting to story, and i do not really like it.

Megaherohammer in v10.0 this summer? I haven't played in multiple editions at this point so I don't know how important special characters and what previously was apoc only is to the current gameplay experience.

Tsagualsa wrote:
Yarrick is a symbol and a relic of a bigone era, when special characters were typical and iconic for their faction, but essentially just people that existed in the universe, subject to its cruelties and whims like any other guy. Nowadays there is no place for a random commissar with a nemesis, everybody has to be high and mighty, chosen by the gods themselves, movers and shakers that literally shape the whole setting by their own hand. It's another sign of the shift from setting to story, and i do not really like it.

Last 12+ special characters GW released was random low ranking Space Marine captain from book, Azrael, dude from literally beginning of the setting (kinda hard to find someone more "bygone era" than he is), some wandering vampire, dwarf pirate, a few literally who Necromunda gangsters and nobles, some goblin boss with a few bodyguard mooks with delusions of grandeur, a few goblin handegg players, skeleton of a king of long gone kingdom with his sons, some random DA officer from HH, named Emperor's Champion hating orks, Elrond, aka dude who sat whole LotR on his ass in the middle of nowhere, and some fat ogre who likes to hunt.

On what planet is any of the above "high and mighty, chosen by the gods themselves, movers and shakers that literally shape the whole setting by their own hand"?

Tsagualsa wrote:

 BertBert wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Joke or not, Yarrick was pointless. It's about time he was gone.

He'll be back at some point anyway.

Yarrick is a symbol and a relic of a bigone era, when special characters were typical and iconic for their faction, but essentially just people that existed in the universe, subject to its cruelties and whims like any other guy. Nowadays there is no place for a random commissar with a nemesis, everybody has to be high and mighty, chosen by the gods themselves, movers and shakers that literally shape the whole setting by their own hand. It's another sign of the shift from setting to story, and i do not really like it.

Yarrick was far more than just a 'random Commissar with a nemesis', he managed to turn the tide of Armageddon and in doing so saved a lynchpin of the Imperium at the time. He stood as a symbol of hope for the Imperial Guard in times of darkness, few other mortal men could have done what he did

Back to Azrael, that's one great looking miniature, love the redesign

 Kanluwen wrote:
Joke or not, Yarrick was pointless. It's about time he was gone.

No he was not. See, I can make sweeping declarative statements with nothing to back it up as well!

 Irbis wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
There just needs to be a feed mechanism to bring the rounds up to the firing chamber (which could be mechanical, it could be vacuum, it could be magnetic, it could be scifi magic) then it'd be consistent with 2nd edition Bolters to not have an ejection port.

The new Azrael looks a bit off simply in the sense that the ejection port looks too close to the rear of the gun for the bolt to have space to travel back and eject the spent case, but maybe some space magic there or maybe the proportions don't come across properly in the images.

The problem with magic loading mechanism with old bolter is the fact he is bracing it on shoulder pad so whatever it is, it would need to travel thought 5 cm of solid ceramite. Unless he points bolter down after each shot to make room for reload?

Nah, the round would first travel forward through the narrow part of the gun, then up to the muzzle. So not through the shoulder pad (which would be external to the gun as far as I can see).


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 Irbis wrote:
As for new gun, you'd just need bolt forward mechanism, instead of usual back traveling one. It's rarer but absolutely is a thing, funnily enough, mostly in bull pups where magazines and ejection ports are way in the back of the gun. See MDRX for one:

Spoiler:

I'm not that familiar with the MDRX, but my understanding it works pretty much the same as any other non-bullpup gun but it has a lever that pushes the spent casing sideways when the bolt goes backwards, then can have an attachment that catches the casing as it goes sideways so that it can be pushed out forward when the bolt comes back forwards. I don't think it requires any less space behind the magazine, unless I'm missing something? The bolt still needs enough space to clear the magazine and ejection port.

I'm not that familiar with the MDRX, but my understanding it works pretty much the same as any other non-bullpup gun but it has a lever that pushes the spent casing sideways when the bolt goes backwards, then can have an attachment that catches the casing as it goes sideways so that it can be pushed out forward when the bolt comes back forwards. I don't think it requires any less space behind the magazine, unless I'm missing something? The bolt still needs enough space to clear the magazine and ejection port.

Correct.

Eh, the magazine really isn't that far back on the boltgun. There is easily enough room for a mechanism to shift the shells where needed. It would be simpler if further forward, but I can see a justification in trying to move the centre-of-gravity closer to the grip for better one-handed use. My biggest issue is it should be in the other hand so he can reload it easier.

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

 BertBert wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Joke or not, Yarrick was pointless. It's about time he was gone.

He'll be back at some point anyway.

Yarrick is a symbol and a relic of a bigone era, when special characters were typical and iconic for their faction, but essentially just people that existed in the universe, subject to its cruelties and whims like any other guy. Nowadays there is no place for a random commissar with a nemesis, everybody has to be high and mighty, chosen by the gods themselves, movers and shakers that literally shape the whole setting by their own hand. It's another sign of the shift from setting to story, and i do not really like it.

Yarrick was far more than just a 'random Commissar with a nemesis', he managed to turn the tide of Armageddon and in doing so saved a lynchpin of the Imperium at the time. He stood as a symbol of hope for the Imperial Guard in times of darkness, few other mortal men could have done what he did

Back to Azrael, that's one great looking miniature, love the redesign

Indeed, in the Third War he was the commander-in-chief of the entire Imperial ground forces in one of the largest wars of the Imperium's history against the biggest ork Waaaagh! since the War of the Beast- a Waaaagh! he successfully blunted into a stalemate. Following this, Yarrick embarked on a full Crusade with the Black Templars. Yarrick even has a personal command Baneblade. It is hard to find a bigger "mover and shaker" than that...

Frankly, I am surprised GW missed the opportunity to re-release an older, half-bionic Yarrick as an additional sprue for the Baneblade to bump it up to ~£100...

 Kanluwen wrote:
Joke or not, Yarrick was pointless. It's about time he was gone.

And that's different from any other special character how?

 warboss wrote:
So Yarrick is the only classic character so far in post 8e to not have cheated by crossing it and died instead? Shame. This was a perfect time to introduce new chapter leads while still keeping the classics as an option earlier in the time jump crusade.

Salamanders and Imperial Fists both have new character models but not updated versions of the old.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Joke or not, Yarrick was pointless. It's about time he was gone.

A lot of people liked Yarrick.

And it is entirely unsurprising that you're ok with him being gone.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Joke or not, Yarrick was pointless. It's about time he was gone.

A lot of people liked Yarrick.

And it is entirely unsurprising that you're ok with him being gone.

It's because GW said it was okay and also it didn't affect Skitarii

Roll Three Dice wrote:
I love almost everything about that model, which is a first for a Primaris re-design. I suspect it’s partly because the robe covers up those feth awful soupbowl kneepads, but full credit to the sculptor for nailing the character of the original whilst upscaling it so well.
The one bit I’m not sold on is the combi-weapon: I’m not really interested in technical accuracy in my gratuitous space fantasy wargame, but the original looked miles better than the newer ‘magazine stuck on the side’ design imo, but ymmv.



Edit: also, new-ish user here, is it normal for this place to have a rumour thread derailed for multiple pages to argue semantics in an unrelated topic? Because I can get that on Reddit.

It sadly is common enough here

I like it. Good model over all. Won’t get it probably, my while DA army is non Primaris..

Though on the clip placement. Hold that across your chest and you’re putting a replacement in slamming down from above if you hold it on it’s side, or clipping towards your chest if holding across.
Both those ways work fine, I really don’t see the issue in the magic future Gun.

Who cares about clip placement? He only needs enough bolts to get in close and hit people with his sword.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Who cares about clip placement? He only needs enough bolts to get in close and hit people with his sword.

*magazine placement.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Who cares about clip placement? He only needs enough bolts to get in close and hit people with his sword.

*magazine placement.

Come to think of it, maybe that is how he reloads it left-handed- ramming stripper clips into the ejection port

 Haighus wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Who cares about clip placement? He only needs enough bolts to get in close and hit people with his sword.

*magazine placement.

Come to think of it, maybe that is how he reloads it left-handed- ramming stripper clips into the ejection port

Maybe, lol.

Though the dude is carrying a sword in his other hand, not sure how he reloads at all (or anyone else in the 40k universe for that matter). Maybe he just gets his little buddy to reload for him.

 Haighus wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Who cares about clip placement? He only needs enough bolts to get in close and hit people with his sword.

*magazine placement.

Come to think of it, maybe that is how he reloads it left-handed- ramming stripper clips into the ejection port

It's not like Azrael has his hands free. Let one of these hooded little Jawas do the reloading for him. Give the little guys something to do besides polishing that helmet or running away with the scabbard.

Mario wrote:

 Haighus wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Who cares about clip placement? He only needs enough bolts to get in close and hit people with his sword.

*magazine placement.

Come to think of it, maybe that is how he reloads it left-handed- ramming stripper clips into the ejection port

It's not like Azrael has his hands free. Let one of these hooded little Jawas do the reloading for him. Give the little guys something to do besides polishing that helmet or running away with the scabbard.

That's what I assume when I see models that are obviously incapable of reloading themselves; they have minions running about which do it for them.

I really like that they kept so many cue/features of the old model such as the holster, sword, chest icon, and backpack side coolers and banner the same.

Why does the robe have to be so thick? It looks like he is wearing a duvet/doona.
I know they can cast thin cloaks/robes.

 Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
Why does the robe have to be so thick? It looks like he is wearing a duvet/doona.
I know they can cast thin cloaks/robes.

If you think this is bad, wait till you see literally 2 cm thick "robe" of Amon:


It's so bad there is literally no shots of the model from the back on FW page, you need to carefully rotate it to see that blob of resin literally thicker than his torso. FW "quality", eh?