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 Gamgee wrote:
Seen some more leaked Tau rules and I don't know about the Tau. I still have a bad feeling they're going to end up way too weak. To put this in perspective Primaris Marines have nearly as good shooting as us now. Especially if you take a leviathan which is downright better than anything we got AND they have the melee skills to back it up. I'm just not seeing how Tau are expected to win with no ranged firepower, no accuracy, terrible character buffs/ML "buffs", no tankiness, and no melee capabilities compared to other editions. Even the Riptide allegedly damages itself with a mortal wound now when activating it's nova charged reactor.

Need to see points costs for sure, but it's looking dire.

Edit
Found the source on the leak as if it was that hard. Apparently the person who told me missed something. It "may" cause a mortal wound when activating its nova reactor. Okay that's fair. He made it seem like it was guaranteed every use.

Oh noes, a Riptide can't save if it makes a Nova fumble! So sad!

Anyways, you haven't seen a large quantity of this stuff actually described beyond you (as usual) misinterpreting things to declare the sky is falling.
   
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Good to see that a rhino is now tougher than a dreadnought. These new leaks show that there is no unified formula for armor value to toughness conversion.

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tneva82 wrote:
Lolled at the sisters of battle act of faith rule. So much for GW's claim 8th ed is scalable. Do they even know what the term means?


To be fair, it is scalable. The bigger the army, the more imagifiers.


No that means imagifiers are scalable. Basic acts of faith is not. The effect of acts of faith decreases the bigger the game.

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 Kirasu wrote:
Good to see that a rhino is now tougher than a dreadnought. These new leaks show that there is no unified formula for armor value to toughness conversion.


Where did rhino\s stats get leaked out?

edit:_ Volkite chargers got their character completely changed. Changes for sake of changes.

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I'm sure Tau will be fine.

That carnifex profile looks kinda neat. Only 67 points and they don't degrade?

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Good catch - lots of interesting stuff - free extra attack with combat knifeand chmapions blade - smae as Chainsword,
Sniper rifle can do extra Mortal wound....
Whirlwind (and likely other artillery) allows you to target non visible units.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Gamgee wrote:
Seen some more leaked Tau rules and I don't know about the Tau. I still have a bad feeling they're going to end up way too weak. To put this in perspective Primaris Marines have nearly as good shooting as us now. Especially if you take a leviathan which is downright better than anything we got AND they have the melee skills to back it up. I'm just not seeing how Tau are expected to win with no ranged firepower, no accuracy, terrible character buffs/ML "buffs", no tankiness, and no melee capabilities compared to other editions. Even the Riptide allegedly damages itself with a mortal wound now when activating it's nova charged reactor.

Need to see points costs for sure, but it's looking dire.

Edit
Found the source on the leak as if it was that hard. Apparently the person who told me missed something. It "may" cause a mortal wound when activating its nova reactor. Okay that's fair. He made it seem like it was guaranteed every use.

Oh noes, a Riptide can't save if it makes a Nova fumble! So sad!

Anyways, you haven't seen a large quantity of this stuff actually described beyond you (as usual) misinterpreting things to declare the sky is falling.

I have no problems with it not saving a mortal wound. My issue is if it auto wounds itself when activating its nova reactor which would be insane since it's not that tanky compared to everything else anymore from what leaked rules I've seen. In the current edition it has to make a roll to see if it wounds itself, so auto wounding itself would be a huge nerf. So every wound is valuable and other units will be putting out more firepower and melee damage than it as well and then if you add in an auto wound to it it will die super fast and accomplish little for it's probably obscenely increased price (relative to everything in 8th).

However I'm a little skeptical about all these rules leaks. Shouldn't big things like the Riptide have it's wound chart leaked by now? Everything being posted online isn't having it's wound chart and effects listed which I find unusual. Makes it seem like some rando is just making crap up in general.

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 Sidstyler wrote:
I'm sure Tau will be fine.

That carnifex profile looks kinda neat. Only 67 points and they don't degrade?


Plus weapons?

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Got a typo on the wrist-mounted grenade launcher.

I don't think they want guns improving your opponents armor.
   
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stormcraft wrote:
http://imgur.com/a/gu4pw

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Ugh! Fething seize the initiative is back.

What a terrible rule. Especially without the advantage of seeing your opponent's set up.

   
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 Sidstyler wrote:
I'm sure Tau will be fine.

That carnifex profile looks kinda neat. Only 67 points and they don't degrade?


So with a Carnifex only being 8 wounds does that mean it cannot be singled out and shot at same as a character unless its the closest unit?
   
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Slagmar wrote:
 Sidstyler wrote:
I'm sure Tau will be fine.

That carnifex profile looks kinda neat. Only 67 points and they don't degrade?


So with a Carnifex only being 8 wounds does that mean it cannot be singled out and shot at same as a character unless its the closest unit?


That rule only applies to characters.

   
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 docdoom77 wrote:
stormcraft wrote:
http://imgur.com/a/gu4pw

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Ugh! Fething seize the initiative is back.

What a terrible rule. Especially without the advantage of seeing your opponent's set up.

Despite never losing in 7th in my 21 game career. I have had my nids friend seize initiative every single time except once. I know. Insane. I'll just assume I go second from now on.
   
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Surprised to see Gamgee jumping the gun in order to claim the sky is falling.... yet again. Another threatened flounce on the cards? Perhaps we can get it up to 10 threatened flounces before 8th actually hits.

It's nice to see some point increases which to me says that balance is very much a driving force, (a cynic may say that a policy of point drops- to push sales has been [particularly prevalent in the past.)

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http://imgur.com/a/gu4pw

Missions Leak!

Due to my ancient iPad not being able to load imgur...can someone post those to the thread (preferibly in a spoiler tag)? Thanks!


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Slagmar wrote:
 Sidstyler wrote:
I'm sure Tau will be fine.

That carnifex profile looks kinda neat. Only 67 points and they don't degrade?


So with a Carnifex only being 8 wounds does that mean it cannot be singled out and shot at same as a character unless its the closest unit?

The character rule only applies to characters.

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 Kirasu wrote:
Good to see that a rhino is now tougher than a dreadnought. These new leaks show that there is no unified formula for armor value to toughness conversion.


Where did rhino\s stats get leaked out?

edit:_ Volkite chargers got their character completely changed. Changes for sake of changes.

What, outside of the Horus Heresy, actually has Volkite weapons for Marines at the moment?

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 Hollow wrote:
Surprised to see Gamgee jumping the gun in order to claim the sky is falling.... yet again. Another threatened flounce on the cards? Perhaps we can get it up to 10 threatened flounces before 8th actually hits.

It's nice to see some point increases which to me says that balance is very much a driving force, (a cynic may say that a policy of point drops- to push sales has been [particularly prevalent in the past.)


To be fair, now that we know what Centurions do, we can deduce that Tau must be terrible in 8th.

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Ugh. Noticed also that the volkite charger went to heavy...

What happened? How did short range mobile(assault over heavy of the longer range version) premium horde killing weapon turn into...short range tough to move and shoot low armour multiwound model killer?

Weird especially as there was nothing there that wouldn't have converted without problem into 8th ed so there was no real point changing style of weapon. That's like making lascannon into assault 6 S5 AP-0 dmg 1 weapon while assault cannon would be heavy 1 S10 AP-4 dmg 2d6 pick highest. Sure they can be totally balanced but doesn't really suit weapons character.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
 Kirasu wrote:
Good to see that a rhino is now tougher than a dreadnought. These new leaks show that there is no unified formula for armor value to toughness conversion.


Where did rhino\s stats get leaked out?

edit:_ Volkite chargers got their character completely changed. Changes for sake of changes.

What, outside of the Horus Heresy, actually has Volkite weapons for Marines at the moment?


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 Kanluwen wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
 Kirasu wrote:
Good to see that a rhino is now tougher than a dreadnought. These new leaks show that there is no unified formula for armor value to toughness conversion.


Where did rhino\s stats get leaked out?

edit:_ Volkite chargers got their character completely changed. Changes for sake of changes.

What, outside of the Horus Heresy, actually has Volkite weapons for Marines at the moment?


Maybe the cataphractii or tartarus termies that also have 40k rules. But point is the weapon went into pretty much opposite of what it used to be without good reason.

Makes me even more happy HH took the smart route and went to modified 7th.

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Not a fan of rolling for turns 6 and 7 instead of just a set length.

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I don't know who they're kidding with costs not being rounded to the nearest 5. Lying to themselves that they playtested it well enough to know Sicarius is worth exactly 132 pts, when in reality they probably missed by 50?

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You can all determine if it's fake or not. Just a compilation of leaks and alleged translations. http://i.4cdn.org/tg/1496079609865.pdf
   
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I was looking at the picture of the new Dreadnought. I believe the strange.. almost Sentinel looking piece of armor in the front might actually be an extra armor upgrade panel. It looks to me like it's designed to fit "over" the torso of the dread and not actually like it's integrated. That and the way the sarcophagus continues beneath the plate really makes me think that what we're being shown isn't the baseline kit but a "full option" sort of thing.

   
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Mmm, I'd like to see a Stratagem Index somewhere in the paid rulebook. They seem to be scattered everywhere

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