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 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
Which is it, GW?

Rulebook: "Psychic Weapons will have the Psychic Trait to identify them."

FAQ: "Q: Are a Psychic Weapon and a Weapon with the Psychic
Trait the same thing?
A: No."

Well, from the rulebook:

Note that some other Weapons make use of the Psyker Trait, but as they do not have the Psychic Trait are not Psychic Weapons per se.

Don't know of any examples though. Maybe you can give a normal weapon the trait with a psychic power for a limited time?

"Weapons that make use of the Psyker Trait" might refer to stuff that is e.g. better at wounding psykers, like "If the model hit by [this] has the Psyker Trait, it always wounds on 2+" or somesuch. There's probably some of these around in Imperial Agents/ Talons (the Culexus for sure, some SoS stuff as well) and a few odds and ends unevenly distributed over the other factions (Khorne stuff, some daemon things etc.)

Kinda funny they decide to give THAT much poseability to those, that don't really need it and will be brought in low numbers, instead of, you know... anything else at all, but mainly regular troopers.

 Albertorius wrote:
Kinda funny they decide to give THAT much poseability to those, that don't really need it and will be brought in low numbers, instead of, you know... anything else at all, but mainly regular troopers.

Isn't that because Saturnine have ball joints and it costs literally nothing to leave them posable?

They'd have to be actively spiteful to remove that feature.

 Albertorius wrote:
Kinda funny they decide to give THAT much poseability to those, that don't really need it and will be brought in low numbers, instead of, you know... anything else at all, but mainly regular troopers.

I disagree. Posability is more important on larger models.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Times like these, I'm glad Knights don't get options.

Heresy Questoris have options. I'd hate to lose double Gatlings and have to go to load outs being differently named units like 40K IK.

 BorderCountess wrote:

 Gael Knight wrote:
From reddit. A cool collection of images on how flexible the Saturnine kits are. Honestly would be amazing if this level of poseability starts coming to other things like Tau battlesuits etc.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer30k/comments/1m34zis/flexibility_of_saturnine_terminator_model_posing/

Or, you know, even something as simple as Intercessors.

Intecessor designs don't work with ball and socket joints.

 Geifer wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
Kinda funny they decide to give THAT much poseability to those, that don't really need it and will be brought in low numbers, instead of, you know... anything else at all, but mainly regular troopers.

Isn't that because Saturnine have ball joints and it costs literally nothing to leave them posable?

They'd have to be actively spiteful to remove that feature.

Exactly.

I still just can't get past not being able to figure out how a human-ish shaped object fits inside those things. If GW want to keep making models with wonky anatomy the least they could do is stick a fluff blurb somewhere along the lines of "oh yeah um they get nuggeted and the arms & legs are mechanical" so it doesn't tickle my 'tism.

I hope that HH tanking will make GW to allow using HH units in 40K again in order to sell models.

 Snord wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
Kinda funny they decide to give THAT much poseability to those, that don't really need it and will be brought in low numbers, instead of, you know... anything else at all, but mainly regular troopers.

I disagree. Posability is more important on larger models.

So instead we have the same five poses on all marks, forever.

The standard posing is presumably necessary for the purposes of upgrade kit compatibility

chaos0xomega wrote:
The standard posing is presumably necessary for the purposes of upgrade kit compatibility

Not really, no. The arms are the only thing that needs to be taken into account. And the arms and heads are the things that are swappable between poses, so...

Much more likely that they do it because it allows their sprue-arranging software to do its job more efficiently and cut their costs.

There is also a trade off in ease of build and posability.

Don’t get me wrong, I love the options. But when I was putting together my contemptor dread from the last box? Had him in a zillion parts, ready to be glued, and hoped I’d get the angles of everything just right when the glue dried. And I wasn’t even planning for anything fancy.

Now 30k is billed more as an “expert” level game, so I think it’s OK for that. But I could see new players being a bit daunted.

 Nevelon wrote:
There is also a trade off in ease of build and posability.

Don’t get me wrong, I love the options. But when I was putting together my contemptor dread from the last box? Had him in a zillion parts, ready to be glued, and hoped I’d get the angles of everything just right when the glue dried. And I wasn’t even planning for anything fancy.

Now 30k is billed more as an “expert” level game, so I think it’s OK for that. But I could see new players being a bit daunted.

Eh, I think that also stems from the same process issue though - GW don't split their models to be easy to make, they split them to be efficiently laid out on sprues so boxed product is more efficient to warehouse, display, and ship. Build a few Bandai Black Series kits, Gundams etc and you quickly realise GW *could* make something like a dreadnought that is both relatively effortless to build *and* well articulated, they simply choose not to so they can make the kit on one fewer sprues.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Times like these, I'm glad Knights don't get options.

Heresy Questoris have options. I'd hate to lose double Gatlings and have to go to load outs being differently named units like 40K IK.

But you do lose out on the pre-Imperium-era Dominus Knight that vanishes from every Knight World, Titan Legio, and Forgeworld during the Heresy... for... reasons.

Also, as BorderCountess is quick to remind me, the HH double Avenger becomes Chaos Knights only. Which still hurts everything I see one in play.

Sometimes i think the lack of presence of certain 40k era units in 30k is down to specialists team going "nah, that gak is just dumb".

Do we have a date for the Mk.II Assault Squad release yet?

Not yet, no. Nor the Fellblade which I could’ve sworn they said would go up for order the same time as Saturnine.

I thought they said shortly after saturnine

So hopefully on preorder next week I guess?

Anyway, I have found a criticism of the new rules that everyone else missed! Behold: the initiative modifier characteristic should use a different letter to depict “no modifier” because the font they use for the rules makes “I” and “1” too close to call sometimes. We’ll just ignore that the rule doesn’t actually support setting a value other than 0 and pretend the missing +/- is going to turn out to be a misprint. Or something.

Quality work, sheer magnificence in print. Gutenberg is shedding a tear that his invention may not be worthy of such perfection.