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stormcraft wrote:

 warboss wrote:


A chainsword is identical to a combat knife? That's disappointing. Anyone care to wager whether a primaris version will be better because reasons?

It makes sense from a modelling standpoint, as they were identical ruleswise before so a lot of people used both equally

True but the increased weapon ability variety makes it feel like a missed opportunity. If the Adeptus Restartes don't suffer the same then it's just a crass sales gimmick instead.

So because of keywords are Blood Angels now able to easily field flyers that are not the Stormraven?

The death company have Black Rage, but the terminator ancient doesn't. In fact, he doesn't have anything pointing to an kind of bespoke chapter tactic. So I guess chapter tactics and legion rules still being around was just a blatant lie on GW'S part then?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I don't know who they're kidding with costs not being rounded to the nearest 5. Lying to themselves that they playtested it well enough to know Sicarius is worth exactly 132 pts, when in reality they probably missed by 50?

I think what you'll find is that, with the addition of equipment, they end up being round figures more often than not. So everything was costed with its standard load out to the nearest 5, then when they priced up everything for characters, they subtracted that from the units' points. It looks more exact than it actually is.

 A Watcher In The Dark wrote:

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
Us Blood Angels are being crapped on again. Successors can no longer take characters as "counts as" because they have to change "Blood Angels" to "Order of Blood" (my custom chapter that I may or may not play in 8th) or something. And from what I've read people plan on enforcing this.

Just like every other space marine successors with named HQ from the 1st founding.

As of now. But this really screws with the "all armies thing. You could legally use Pedro Kantor in an IF army. Same with Lysander and CF. They better include the option for generic chapter masters and chief librarians for us.

And it's fluffy for Astaroth! He roams between successors, going wherever the Black Rage goes.

 warboss wrote:

stormcraft wrote:

 warboss wrote:


A chainsword is identical to a combat knife? That's disappointing. Anyone care to wager whether a primaris version will be better because reasons?

It makes sense from a modelling standpoint, as they were identical ruleswise before so a lot of people used both equally

True but the increased weapon ability variety makes it feel like a missed opportunity. If the Adeptus Restartes don't suffer the same then it's just a crass sales gimmick instead.

Not just a sale gimmick they are soft killing old Marines by doing so. Not many people will play them in the long run if the Prmaris can do everything and better on both the tabletop and the fluff. Primaris will probably have -1 ap chainsword with extra attack.

I'm surprised we have no T'au / Eldar datasheet yet.

In case this hasn't been posted yet (Crisis Suits & Bodyguards + more if you keep scrolling):

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=853161441506330&set=pcb.865645963573734&type=3&theater

Since I didn´t found it in the original post:
http://battlebunnies.blogspot.de/2017/05/forgeworld-seminar-40k.html

15 Pounds per Forgeworld Book.

Cheers

BertBert wrote:
In case this hasn't been posted yet (Crisis Suits & Bodyguards + more if you keep scrolling):

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=853161441506330&set=pcb.865645963573734&type=3&theater

More like the entire Tau codex

Anyone have info on drop pods?

 xttz wrote:
Space marine weapons http://imgur.com/a/vE3mI

What the hell have they done to Volkite Chargers? They were assault weapons and the Calivers were the heavy weapons. Strange change...

Anyone else idly entertaining the idea of building a teleportation chamber to put their DS reserves into by the side of the table?!

 NivlacSupreme wrote:

 A Watcher In The Dark wrote:

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
Us Blood Angels are being crapped on again. Successors can no longer take characters as "counts as" because they have to change "Blood Angels" to "Order of Blood" (my custom chapter that I may or may not play in 8th) or something. And from what I've read people plan on enforcing this.

Just like every other space marine successors with named HQ from the 1st founding.

As of now. But this really screws with the "all armies thing. You could legally use Pedro Kantor in an IF army. Same with Lysander and CF. They better include the option for generic chapter masters and chief librarians for us.

And it's fluffy for Astaroth! He roams between successors, going wherever the Black Rage goes.

AFAIK, Sucessors won't have special keywords; they'll have the same keywords of the parent chapter. Pedro Kantor will probably be like this: Imperium, Astartes, Imperial Fists, just like he has Chapter Tactics (Imperial Fists) today

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Generic CCWs are getting the +1 aatack option it seems to balance out the loss of the pistol+ccw bonus attack. So now you can take cheap quantity, or more expensive quality on your attacks.

No. Regular CCW do not get the +1 Attack. The combat blades listed here are the combat blades that Bolt Pistol/CCW Scouts get. Per the full rules leak, regular CCW don't add an attack.

Looking at the mountain of Tau leaks, am I wrong in thinking they seem even more one-dimensional than before? Special-rules-wise, I see very few odd, or disruptive tricks, and they seem very much to have been even more pigeon-holed into standing back in castles, and shooting... period.

As someone who has never played 40k and was hoping to get into it this edition, its looking really complicated for someone reason. So many tables.. Do i really need at least 2 books to play?

I see Vulkan He'stan on there. Now, if only I could get my hands on the rules...

Chopxsticks wrote:
As someone who has never played 40k and was hoping to get into it this edition, its looking really complicated for someone reason. So many tables.. Do i really need at least 2 books to play?

2 books is nothing compared to what it's like now.

Chopxsticks wrote:
As someone who has never played 40k and was hoping to get into it this edition, its looking really complicated for someone reason. So many tables.. Do i really need at least 2 books to play?

The standard rules will be with no costs.

You only need a index book with the army.

You can neglect the Points in the tables totally and play with the powerpoints on the models charts.

Easier system.

 Vector Strike wrote:

 NivlacSupreme wrote:

 A Watcher In The Dark wrote:

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
Us Blood Angels are being crapped on again. Successors can no longer take characters as "counts as" because they have to change "Blood Angels" to "Order of Blood" (my custom chapter that I may or may not play in 8th) or something. And from what I've read people plan on enforcing this.

Just like every other space marine successors with named HQ from the 1st founding.

As of now. But this really screws with the "all armies thing. You could legally use Pedro Kantor in an IF army. Same with Lysander and CF. They better include the option for generic chapter masters and chief librarians for us.

And it's fluffy for Astaroth! He roams between successors, going wherever the Black Rage goes.

AFAIK, Sucessors won't have special keywords; they'll have the same keywords of the parent chapter. Pedro Kantor will probably be like this: Imperium, Astartes, Imperial Fists, just like he has Chapter Tactics (Imperial Fists) today

I guess that only the BA have to change their keyword.

Lorex wrote:
Anyone have info on drop pods?

Combat shields finally not garbage? Hot damn! Do we know what storm bolsters do yet?

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Combat shields finally not garbage? Hot damn! Do we know what storm bolsters do yet?

Rapid fire 2

 warboss wrote:

FunJohn wrote:

 warboss wrote:

Spoiler:

A chainsword is identical to a combat knife? That's disappointing. Anyone care to wager whether a primaris version will be better because reasons?

Wow yeah that sucks, they made it seem like a chainsword was now cool as it gave an extra attack. Now EVERY basic close combat weapon does that.

Yeah, you'd think the increased granularity would give plenty of wiggle room for chainswords between generic knives and power swords like d2 damage without stepping on either. I still expect a potential primaris chainsword to get the unique niche that the normal one is missing (similar to the bolter differences).

Problem would be all the remodelling players would have to do. Maybe GW thought it's not worth it for the huge backlash. If they want weapon with d2 rather than use old one introduce new one. Avoids people getting pissed off when they have to rip of weapons of old models.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Combat shields finally not garbage? Hot damn! Do we know what storm bolsters do yet?

Same stats as bolter but Rapid Fire 2.

So termites are 2 wounds, 26 points and get 4 shots now!? Geez, gw heard my prayers and then some.

My old stormbolter/power sword 3rd ed captain is feeling really good about now. Going to have to re-evaluate and dust off a lot of old minis.

Still keeping my eye open for chapter tactics, legion traits and Tau septs ..... WOW.

Oh 103... How do they work

Man, if Dorn's Arrow is something like Rapid Fire 4, I will go nuts! Probably just a Storm Bolter that is MC and -1 AP.