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Hey look, random Warlord trait tables, random psychic powers tables. Bet you won't see more of those in Codexes XD

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Hey look, random Warlord trait tables, random psychic powers tables. Bet you won't see more of those in Codexes XD

Optionally random. They all say you can choose.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Hey look, random Warlord trait tables, random psychic powers tables. Bet you won't see more of those in Codexes XD

They're roll or choose tables.

Well well well. What do we have here.

Marine ranged weapons thing is missing the first page...

I'm confused. Can plague marines only be taken in set amounts now?
5/7/10/15 or 20?

Or is that just for the power rating system?

 Crimson wrote:
Marine ranged weapons thing is missing the first page...

Don't care about marines enough to go and look if I missed any pics. Someone else will find them.

 dan2026 wrote:
I'm confused. Can plague marines only be taken in set amounts now?
5/7/10/15 or 20?

Or is that just for the power rating system?

look for the words "Up to"

So it seems that command squad dudes are now ICs. Cool! This is one of the things I missed from 2nd edition.

tneva82 wrote:

Spoletta wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Lolled at the sisters of battle act of faith rule. So much for GW's claim 8th ed is scalable. Do they even know what the term means?

To be fair, it is scalable. The bigger the army, the more imagifiers.

No that means imagifiers are scalable. Basic acts of faith is not. The effect of acts of faith decreases the bigger the game.

They don't to scale, they're already busted as all hell. If you can't see just how ridiculous AoFs are now that's frankly on you.

Looks like vehicle squadrons are gone for heavy support

 Vector Strike wrote:
Looks like vehicle squadrons are gone for heavy support

With all the detachments, that’s not a huge deal. You were generally better off going as singles unless restricted by a formation/FOC. IMHO at least.

And a lot of the squadron bonuses were free rules that didn’t really need to be there, just an excuse for you to buy more plastic.

 Crimson wrote:
So it seems that command squad dudes are now ICs. Cool! This is one of the things I missed from 2nd edition.

I don't think they will be characters, so much as the squad will have the option to replace models with the Characters lists.

A chainsword is identical to a combat knife? That's disappointing. Anyone care to wager whether a primaris version will be better because reasons?

Sorry if this has been already covered. Does anyone have any info on how they are handling Renegades and heretics list?

All it says on the forge world index is rules for heretic astartes and no mention of renegades.

Nothing in the GW chaos list either (apart from cultist obv)

Maybe they will just allow IG(sorry AM) stuff to be taken alongside chaos stuff with certain keyword.

Hope they keep them as a separate thing though. IA heretics were my favourite army (so much so that my entire IG/AM turned traitor and painted all their tanks red and bought some blasphemous icons

Generic CCWs are getting the +1 aatack option it seems to balance out the loss of the pistol+ccw bonus attack. So now you can take cheap quantity, or more expensive quality on your attacks.

 warboss wrote:


A chainsword is identical to a combat knife? That's disappointing. Anyone care to wager whether a primaris version will be better because reasons?

It makes sense from a modelling standpoint, as they were identical ruleswise before so a lot of people used both equally

 warboss wrote:

Spoiler:

A chainsword is identical to a combat knife? That's disappointing. Anyone care to wager whether a primaris version will be better because reasons?

Wow yeah that sucks, they made it seem like a chainsword was now cool as it gave an extra attack. Now EVERY basic close combat weapon does that.

 Kinetochore wrote:
Sorry if this has been already covered. Does anyone have any info on how they are handling Renegades and heretics list?

All it says on the forge world index is rules for heretic astartes and no mention of renegades.

Nothing in the GW chaos list either (apart from cultist obv)

Maybe they will just allow IG(sorry AM) stuff to be taken alongside chaos stuff with certain keyword.

Hope they keep them as a separate thing though. IA heretics were my favourite army (so much so that my entire IG/AM turned traitor and painted all their tanks red and bought some blasphemous icons

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/27/warhammer-fest-live-blog/

Datasheets for all of Forge World’s Warhammer 40,000 Astra Militarum range, including Death Korps of Krieg and Elysian models, and Renegade Imperial Guard forces as well as the immense war machines of the Titan Legions and Knight Houses.

Astra Militarum

Not happy with what it looks like they did to special issue ammo for sternguard. Rather then all the options it looks like they summed it up into a little extra range and -2 ap. Not that that’s shabby, but 3/4th of the time I was pumping the poisoned wound on a 2+ rounds into things.

On the flip side, stormbolters look to have gotten a nice boost.

Sweet cheers dude.

Looks like ill be buying another book then lol.

Us Blood Angels are being crapped on again. Successors can no longer take characters as "counts as" because they have to change "Blood Angels" to "Order of Blood" (my custom chapter that I may or may not play in 8th) or something. And from what I've read people plan on enforcing this.

Scouter have combat knive?. So thats might be why they added +1 attack.

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
Us Blood Angels are being crapped on again. Successors can no longer take characters as "counts as" because they have to change "Blood Angels" to "Order of Blood" (my custom chapter that I may or may not play in 8th) or something. And from what I've read people plan on enforcing this.

??

If it follows the rules of a Blood Angel, quacks like a Blood Angel, and flys into a black rage like a Blood Angel, I don’t think most people will have an issue if you file the serial numbers off and call it what you like.

The only time I’ve actually seen an issue with counts-as for custom chapters is when people want to mix and match from various sources. Like having Calgar and Dante in the same army like there is nothing wrong. But if you follow all the rules from one source, you should be fine.

Your FLGS might be different, but this smacks of something that you hear about hypothetically on the internet, but in practice never shows up.

In further thought, it might be an issue for successor chapters that previously were compatible. For example, both Lysander and Kantor were Imp. Fists. and could be fielded in the same detachment without issues, as the CT was what mattered. It might be that now one will have the “Imperial Fist” chapter trait, and the other “Crimson Fist”. I’d not worry too much until we see the whole picture though.

 Kinetochore wrote:
Sweet cheers dude.

Looks like ill be buying another book then lol.

One he says...

a btw.
price for forgeworld books is 15 pounds.

http://battlebunnies.blogspot.de/2017/05/forgeworld-seminar-40k.html

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
Us Blood Angels are being crapped on again. Successors can no longer take characters as "counts as" because they have to change "Blood Angels" to "Order of Blood" (my custom chapter that I may or may not play in 8th) or something. And from what I've read people plan on enforcing this.

Just like every other space marine successors with named HQ from the 1st founding.

FunJohn wrote:

 warboss wrote:

Spoiler:

A chainsword is identical to a combat knife? That's disappointing. Anyone care to wager whether a primaris version will be better because reasons?

Wow yeah that sucks, they made it seem like a chainsword was now cool as it gave an extra attack. Now EVERY basic close combat weapon does that.

Yeah, you'd think the increased granularity would give plenty of wiggle room for chainswords between generic knives and power swords like d2 damage without stepping on either. I still expect a potential primaris chainsword to get the unique niche that the normal one is missing (similar to the bolter differences).

2D3 shots on the Predator AC? Nice. Not great for busting armour at -1, but the 3 Dmg standard is nice. Mind you, it's also pricey (= to twin-LC, yikes)

Well done GWiki-Leakers! You are not fake news. Well, some of you might be, but I'm strangely comfortable with the idea.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
So it seems that command squad dudes are now ICs. Cool! This is one of the things I missed from 2nd edition.

I don't think they will be characters, so much as the squad will have the option to replace models with the Characters lists.

No, see:

 warboss wrote:

FunJohn wrote:

 warboss wrote:

Spoiler:

A chainsword is identical to a combat knife? That's disappointing. Anyone care to wager whether a primaris version will be better because reasons?

Wow yeah that sucks, they made it seem like a chainsword was now cool as it gave an extra attack. Now EVERY basic close combat weapon does that.

Yeah, you'd think the increased granularity would give plenty of wiggle room for chainswords between generic knives and power swords like d2 damage without stepping on either. I still expect a potential primaris chainsword to get the unique niche that the normal one is missing (similar to the bolter differences).

Primaris weapons are already on that list. Unless you mean in their codex.